Homecoming "Spider-Man Summit" Thread

[kedrell]

It needs to be done in a smart way that maximizes the impact while minimizing the time needed to do it since flashbacks by definition are points where the forward narrative gets suspended and that can be troublesome.

 

[Dr. Evil]

An MCU Spiderman film can easily be done without shoehorning in major MCU characters. I would instead add minor/secondary MCU Characters, who remain alive in the MCU as well as MCU references:

Examples would include:
- I would have a news report on TV in one of the Spidey movies of President Ellis appearing at the United Nations. That would be a reference point to Iron Man 3.
- Peter goes to a university and one of his professors is Erik Selvig, who is back to normal now after losing his mind in Thor: TDW.
- Peter goes to the library and sees a book entitled "The Adventures of Captain America and the Howling Commandoes." Intrigued, he checks it out.
- Many references to Stark Industries.

Having said that though, I am not as optimistic about Spider-Man joining the MCU because of Avi.

 

[kedrell]

I'm still hopefull of Avi joining the ranks of the unemployed.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

arad sucks

but he's gonna fight tooth and nail to keep spidey, and that makes me nervous.

the guy would probably have a mental breakdown if marvel got him back.

 

[Dr. Evil]

arad sucks

but he's gonna fight tooth and nail to keep spidey, and that makes me nervous.

That is why I don't see Spidey ever going back to the MCU. It's wishful thinking.

 

[kedrell]

But he doesn't own Spider-man.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spider-Man is no longer lucrative under Sony. Fans want to see Spider-Man in the MCU. It's this simple. Work out a co-production deal with Marvel Studios. Why not? Sony and MGM have a co-production deal for the James Bond franchise. It's not a huge stretch.

The Amazing Spider-Man reboot franchise while not an outright failure has been a major disappointment. Sony is going to suddenly drop even more money, probably well over half a billion dollars, into spin-offs of ASM2 when audiences were so lukewarm on that film? It makes no sense.

The best option is to bring Spider-Man into the MCU which would breathe new life into the franchise and would get fans excited about the character again.

A Spider-Man Cinematic Universe is never going to work. That is not what moviegoers want.

 

[harryoscop]

Avi pisses me off!!

 

[Dr. Evil]

But he doesn't own Spider-man.

But unless Sony Japan pays him a huge amount of money to make him leave Spiderman, I don't see him giving up Spiderman without a fight.

Or he could just leave and head over to Warner Brothers via a production deal.

 

[kedrell]

I don't know what his entanglement amounts to but at the end of the day Sony owns the rights. I guess he could/would try to throw a monkey wrench into the works to make everything take longer but that could bite him in the butt as well if production gets held up too long and Marvel gets the rights back.

 

[TheVileOne]

You can't fire Avi Arad. He doesn't work for Sony Pictures.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

But he doesn't own Spider-man.

but he's basically in charge of all things spidey, and the higher ups are dumb enough to trust him.

hopefully things have changed as of late.

 

[kedrell]

You can't fire Avi Arad. He doesn't work for Sony Pictures.

Maybe not work for them but unless they are making a Spider-man film what else does he have to do? Make a Bratz sequel?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Avi has the final say in all of the Spidey movies. He's not giving this up without a fight.

 

[TheVileOne]

If Sony really thinks they can pull off this Spider-Man Cinematic Universe thing off...it's not going to happen. They are going to lose more money.

Moviegoers don't want to see spin-offs to a rebooted franchise they don't even like.

You are going to spend like half a billion dollars or even more on Venom and Sinister Six...really? How? How are you going to set up all those characters without Spider-Man?

 

[TheVileOne]

Maybe not work for them but unless they are making a Spider-man film what else does he have to do? Make a Bratz sequel?

The animated Pac-Man series .

 

[The Game]

Spider-Man is no longer lucrative under Sony. Fans want to see Spider-Man in the MCU. It's this simple. Work out a co-production deal with Marvel Studios. Why not? Sony and MGM have a co-production deal for the James Bond franchise. It's not a huge stretch.

The Amazing Spider-Man reboot franchise while not an outright failure has been a major disappointment. Sony is going to suddenly drop even more money, probably well over half a billion dollars, into spin-offs of ASM2 when audiences were so lukewarm on that film? It makes no sense.

The best option is to bring Spider-Man into the MCU which would breathe new life into the franchise and would get fans excited about the character again.

A Spider-Man Cinematic Universe is never going to work. That is not what moviegoers want.

Whether you like it or not Spiderman is Sonys top franchise and it does make them money. Sony will not just hand it over because Marvel fans say so and this line of thinking is silly. Can we at least come up with realistic scenarios, I know some of you have some business savy, what would Marvel need to do to get Spidey either completely of on a shared basis and what offer would Sony most likely accept...thoughts?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Maybe not work for them but unless they are making a Spider-man film what else does he have to do? Make a Bratz sequel?

exactly, ruining Spider-Man is a big chunk of his income

I'm sure he'd hate for that to suddenly stop

 

[Dr. Evil]

Whether you like it or not Spiderman is Sonys top franchise and it does make them money. Sony will not just hand it over because Marvel fans say so and this line of thinking is silly. Can we at least come up with realistic scenarios, I know some of you have some business savy, what would Marvel need to do to get Spidey and what offer Sony most likely accept...thoughts?

If Marvel was to offer a similar deal for Spidey that MGM has done for James Bond, I think Sony accepts.

 

[harryoscop]

The animated Pac-Man series .

Yup

 

[TheVileOne]

Whether you like it or not Spiderman is Sonys top franchise and it does make them money. Sony will not just hand it over because Marvel fans say so and this line of thinking is silly. Can we at least come up with realistic scenarios, I know some of you have some business savy, what would Marvel need to do to get Spidey either completely of on a shared basis and what offer would Sony most likely accept...thoughts?

It may be one of Sony's most lucrative brands, but it is not making them much money anymore.

Here is what you do not get The Game. Sony gets absolutely this much money from Spider-Man merchandise:

$0

Sony does not get a single cent of merchandise profits for the Spider-Man character. It makes Spider-Man a much less lucrative franchise for them. There are no toy sales, no merchandise sales that go back to them. In 2011 they gave all of that to Disney in exchange to continue controlling the film franchise. It was a genius stroke by Disney in a business sense.

Realistically? Give Sony a cut of those profits in exchange for letting Marvel to use the character in their films. Sony gets a co-production deal and a cut of the gross. That's my deal.

Problem?

 

[kedrell]

So that's why they could have 5 years between SM3 and TASM1 and still not loose the rights? Because I thought it was a 3 year limit.

 

[TheVileOne]

exactly, ruining Spider-Man is a big chunk of his income

I'm sure he'd hate for that to suddenly stop

Why would it suddenly drop? Give him a cut and let him keep a producer role.

 

[TheVileOne]

So that's why they could have 5 years between SM3 and TASM1 and still not loose the rights? Because I thought it was a 3 year limit.

Where does it say anything on a three or five year limit?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Why would it suddenly drop? Give him a cut and let him keep a producer role.

He would want to keep creative control of the franchise.

Hence the reason for my pessimism about Spidey going to the MCU.