The Avengers Spidey in the Avengers?

[DJ Kornphlake]

 

[OB12]

So, Avengers exposure could theoretically increase Spider-man's future revenue.

What's in it for Marvel? What would Marvel/Disney get out of this that would actually benefit them? Note that "put a cameo in a future Spider-man movie" is kind of dubious, since they already *have* their own mechanism of generating hype and exposure ( the MCU ).

Marvel/Disney still get a percentage of the box office from TASM. It is a small percentage, but a percentage nonetheless. Including TASM into the MCU would increase the box office and thus benefit Marvel/Disney.

 

[cherokeesam]

MEME FAIL!

To be properly used, that meme has to include as its last frame that shot of Tobey Maguire crying

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I thought it was already confirmed that Spidey wouldn't be appearing in any avengers movie ( at least not any time soon). Spidey is still owned by Sony, not Marvel Studios. And besides, it would be tricky now to link The Amazing Spider Man movie with the Avengers movie.

For starters, it the upcoming Amazing Spider Man movie, the avengers don't exist, because the NYCPD is actively spidey and the general public fears him at first. Also the massive final battle in Avengers that takes place in NYC really conflicts with Amazing Spider Man. The only way that would have worked is if Spidey made a cameo at the end of Avengers. So yea, no spidey in avengers movies ( unfortunately).

 

[Xeno]

 

[Xeno]

So, Avengers exposure could theoretically increase Spider-man's future revenue.

What's in it for Marvel? What would Marvel/Disney get out of this that would actually benefit them? Note that "put a cameo in a future Spider-man movie" is kind of dubious, since they already *have* their own mechanism of generating hype and exposure ( the MCU ).

Disney gets a small percentage of the profits from every Spider-Man film, so increasing the box office haul of any one of them puts more money in the Mouse's coffers. It isn't much money, mind you, as the deal was made back when Marvel was in bankruptcy and sold its rights for a pittance.


While Giving Spidey a boost would benefit Disney in a minor way, the two studios are unlikely to ever come to any agreement on "loaning" heroes to one another. Sony Pictures is hurting for cash right now and sold back their merchandising rights to Disney, but the film rights to Spider-Man are their most valuable asset now. Should Sony go into bankruptcy those rights might be auctioned off to the highest bidder unless Marvel has contracts specifically stating that they revert in such circumstances. Sony is going to hold on tight to Spidey for the potential billions in future revenue they could make off of him. Disney, on the other hand, could be disinclined to help Sony out in any way because if the rival studio does collapse, they would be first in line to reclaim rights to their properties.

 

[OB12]

Disney gets a small percentage of the profits from every Spider-Man film, so increasing the box office haul of any one of them puts more money in the Mouse's coffers. It isn't much money, mind you, as the deal was made back when Marvel was in bankruptcy and sold its rights for a pittance.


While Giving Spidey a boost would benefit Disney in a minor way, the two studios are unlikely to ever come to any agreement on "loaning" heroes to one another. Sony Pictures is hurting for cash right now and sold back their merchandising rights to Disney, but the film rights to Spider-Man are their most valuable asset now. Should Sony go into bankruptcy those rights might be auctioned off to the highest bidder unless Marvel has contracts specifically stating that they revert in such circumstances. Sony is going to hold on tight to Spidey for the potential billions in future revenue they could make off of him. Disney, on the other hand, could be disinclined to help Sony out in any way because if the rival studio does collapse, they would be first in line to reclaim rights to their properties.

I think that Marvel/Disney and Sony would be much more likely to collaborate on Spidey than Fox would on one of their properties. As you indicated, the merchandising rights are now with Disney, so it is in their best interest to make this new Spider-Man as popular as the last. In fact, being able to position TASM with The Avengers on some products may be pretty profitable for Marvel/Disney.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

I thought it was already confirmed that Spidey wouldn't be appearing in any avengers movie ( at least not any time soon). Spidey is still owned by Sony, not Marvel Studios. And besides, it would be tricky now to link The Amazing Spider Man movie with the Avengers movie.

For starters, it the upcoming Amazing Spider Man movie, the avengers don't exist, because the NYCPD is actively spidey and the general public fears him at first. Also the massive final battle in Avengers that takes place in NYC really conflicts with Amazing Spider Man. The only way that would have worked is if Spidey made a cameo at the end of Avengers. So yea, no spidey in avengers movies ( unfortunately).

Hmm, about inserting The Amazing Spider-Man into the MCU.

The first film will have to take place before The Avengers and possibly even Iron Man.
Stark Tower in The Avengers was built ontop of a deconstructed MetLife Building. In the lastest The Amazing Spider-Man trailer, Spidey can be seen standing ontop of the MetLife Building for a split second when Gwen says "you're a wanted man Peter Parker".

And yeah, the massive battle at the end of The Avengers can not be ignored if TAS takes place after The Avengers.

 

[Chewy]

Disney/Marvel owns the Spidey merchandising rights, which is where Spidey appearing in the Avengers would benefit them

THAT SAID, if what I've heard about TASM's plot points are true, I really do not want this particular version of Spidey within 100 miles of the Avengers

 

[bikes]

how about wolverine? does sony also own the rights to the character? an avengers with spidey, wolverine, and thanos in it has a great chance of breaking the 2 billion mark

 

[Drummerdude7]

how about wolverine? does sony also own the rights to the character? an avengers with spidey, wolverine, and thanos in it has a great chance of breaking the 2 billion mark

Fox owns the film rights to Xmen/Fantastic Four, Sony owns Spider-Man. You can bet they won't appear in any MCU film any time soon.

I'd rather do without them tbh. Especially Wolverine. I've always thought him being an Avenger to be silly.

 

[Godsfireworks]

Fox owns the film rights to Xmen/Fantastic Four, Sony owns Spider-Man. You can bet they won't appear in any MCU film any time soon.

I'd rather do without them tbh. Especially Wolverine. I've always thought him being an Avenger to be silly.

I agree with you about not having the xmen or spidey involved, but the Fantastic Four working with the Avengers would be awesome to see, the negative zone on the big screen would be fantastic.

 

[Pink Ranger]

It makes more business sense to keep the franchises separate though. There is only so much of an upside you can get by adding a major character onto another major movie franchise; it's not like TA box office intake would be automatically doubled if Spider Man was in there too. The audience that will see the Avengers will likely consist of the same people that will see Spider Man, so unless you can somehow convince the theatre chains to double ticket prices because Spider Man or Wolverine joined the Avengers, you're better off keeping the franchises separate, and having the same people pay multiple times for different cinematic experiences.

Besides, one bad movie a la Green Lantern could pose the risk of wiping out the commerical viability of two or more franchises at once.

 

[Boom]

So long as Spidey remains at Sony, you'll never see him in an Avengers movie.

Why would Disney fork over millions of dollars to Sony to include a character that isn't necessary?

 

[Vartha]

besides there are SEVERAL story arcs before Spidey evn appears in Avengers as a GUEST character.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

Oh well, for the time being we can pretend in our heads that Raimi's Spiderman or Webb's Spider-Man is in continuity with the MCU d:

Pretending doesn't hurt, right?

 

[metaphysician]

Well, I've certainly done plenty of thought experiments in incorporating the prior Marvel movies into the MCU, but sadly, the Spider-man films are some of the hardest. There is just too much overt rampaging supervillainy to credibly buy no SHIELD involvement.

( not as bad as the X-Men movies, where depending on how you interpret things, the timeline takes a hard left turn all the way back in 1944 and doesn't stop ever )

 

[bullets]

It would complicate things. It would be fun to see a cameo but it creates a lot of logistical problems. Spider-man is better off in his own universe.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Yup. What's easy in the comic books isn't so easy to translate or balance on film. Plus there are numerous characters that should be a part of the Avengers long before Spidey or Wolverine or whoever else gets involved.

 

[Pink Ranger]

That being said, I wouldn't mind a few Easter Eggs thrown in, just for laughs. Like Parker having a Captain America doll sitting on his bedroom shelf in the background, or Stark casually leafing through the business section of the Daily Bugle.

 

[OB12]

Spidey really doesn't need to be in The Avengers but making him part of the larger MCU would be pretty cool. He could be part of the same universe, providing benefits to both Sony and Marvel/Disney, without actually being in an Avengers film. Though I certainly wouldn't be opposed to having him assist in one of the films in an all-hands-on-deck type scenario.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Spidey really doesn't need to be in The Avengers but making him part of the larger MCU would be pretty cool. He could be part of the same universe, providing benefits to both Sony and Marvel/Disney, without actually being in an Avengers film. Though I certainly wouldn't be opposed to having him assist in one of the films in an all-hands-on-deck type scenario.

Somehow I don't believe that Spidey wouldn't be in an Avengers film if he were owned by Marvel Studios. I think they would be all too eager to throw him in. Marvel's flagship character in an ensemble film with the rest of the cast...it would draw in TONS of people and would be too good to pass up. I personally don't want Spidey in an Avengers film so I'm glad Sony owns the rights. And Ultimate Spider-Man (the show) has me worried about what Marvel would do if they owned the rights....but then again, that's Loeb who is overseeing things and not Feige.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm actually not so sure that Marvel would include Spider-man, not now that Avengers has proven itself anyway. Sure, you *could* include him, but its dubious whether this would actually increase the gross any. Throw in a cameo, sure. . . but I think it'd actually work better if, in a rebooted incorporated Spider-man, they actually put in an *Avengers* cameo of sorts: "Where I was the day the aliens invaded." ;-)

 

[The Morningstar]

I can't believe i'm the only one who saw the guy in the red and blue jumpsuit jump out of one of the skyscrapers in the initial attack? A clear reference to Spidey. Clear.

 

[Drummerdude7]

the GA wants him, as crazy as it sounds.

My boss and friends (who didn't know about the separate film rights) were saying that's who they want in the next film, and were incredibly disappointed when I informed them it's not possible at the time. Not saying it would increase the box office take in any way, but I'm certain that if Spidey were available they wouldn't think twice....he's the quintessential Marvel character and Avengers has now, effectively, become the quintessential Marvel franchise.