Spidey Vs.........who will win?

[Sloth7d]

And Iron Man fools Spidey-Sense with pheromones, making a very easy fight where Iron Man left unscathed.

I didn't read that issue so I can't comment. But if thats the only way Ironman can beat him I'm not impressed.

 

[chiefchirpa]

They say it upgrades, but I only ever see slight differences.

I don't see how thats true since Peter isn't a billionaire. So you can't really say that. And even then not all rich nerds build themselves armors, look at Mr.Fantastic. If it doesn't suit them, why build it?

Stark is the master of Engineering in the universe. Reed simply is not in the same league with Stark in terms of practical Mechanical and Electrical engineering. The same with Spidey.

Spidermans fighting style is based on agility and reflexes so putting on an armor that would hinder his mobility some seems pointless. Best ironsuit for him was the lightweight ironspider suit, which Peter figured out the mechanics of that in no time.

Iron Spider kicks ass, BTW. Even Cap's ass because of the mechanical pincers. It conforms to Peter's fighting style.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I didn't read that issue so I can't comment. But if thats the only way Ironman can beat him I'm not impressed.

Iron Man #14. He took on a combined attack of Luke Cage, a superhero girl, and Spider-Man. Manhandle them all.

Iron Man could Uni-Beam Spidey's ass, pull out a nuclear attack, bring in his legions of 1000 Iron Bots, or right now tell SHIELD agents to manhandle Aunt May. Iron Man is a _slightly_ heroic form of Dr.Doom.

 

[Sloth7d]

Stark is the master of Engineering in the universe. Reed simply is not in the same league with Stark in terms of practical Mechanical and Electrical engineering. The same with Spidey.

Completely false. Their are several alien civilizations by themselves that have better engineering skills than Stark. No to mention the earth ones like Forge, who actually himself probably is probably the best engineers in the universe), BlackPanther, and Dr.Doom. Reeds intelligence however has dwarfed some advance alien races and any and all technolgy is easily decifered by him. He is als just as intelligent or smarter than Doom in all areas. Y'know the guy who made doombots, time machines, who's own armor has gone toe to toe with IM before, and who's armor absorbed cosmic piwers before.

Iron Spider kicks ass, BTW. Even Cap's ass because of the mechanical pincers. It conforms to Peter's fighting style.

I didn't say it didn't. I said that was the only suit that really did. That and this one--

 

[Sloth7d]

Iron Man could Uni-Beam Spidey's ass, pull out a nuclear attack, bring in his legions of 1000 Iron Bots, or right now tell SHIELD agents to manhandle Aunt May. Iron Man is a _slightly_ heroic form of Dr.Doom.

Don't know what a Unibeam is, but the latter ways wouldn't really count. Thats not a one on one fight. And Spiderman has defeat Doctor Doom before, well foiled him atleast. Well, Doom retreated thats a defeat in my books.

Edit:looked up uni-beam. I never knew they called it that. I only thought all of that was just called repulsar rays but whatever.Anyway, Spiderman could dodge that.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Some of Peter's achievements: Deciphered Kang's 40th century robotics tech on a mountainside in South America in a matter of minutes,

Stark would do it faster. Robotics is Stark's forte

figuered out anti-matter science that Reed said few people on earth would understand

Ok. Peter Parker is very good on Physics.

, figuered out how to reverse Doc Conners' mutation, web fluid and shooters, spider tracer that reacts to his spider sense, reversed his own mutation getting rid of multiple arms.

Yes. That's what I'm trying to say that Parker should capitalize on his gift of Bio-Chem science. But he couldn't outfight Stark in terms of Robotics and Metallurgy.

He did these things without his own labs on next to no budget. Tony does his inventing with almost unlimited resources in his own private lab plus all the assistants he wants to do the small stuff.

Yes, but you got to blame Peter Parker's unsavviness with Money and Finance. He got a brain yet all he did was becoming a science teacher. Tony's father company was small. Like Bruce Wayne, Tony built his company to be much bigger. He even lost the company at one time, and built it back. Tony is a genius in Financial administration, one of the best in the universe.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Don't know what a Unibeam is, but the latter ways wouldn't really count. Thats not a one on one fight. And Spiderman has defeat Doctor Doom before, well foiled him atleast. Well, Doom retreated thats a defeat in my books.

Edit:looked up uni-beam. I never knew they called it that. I only thought all of that was just called repulsar rays but whatever.Anyway, Spiderman could dodge that.

UniBeam is the one on his chest. Supposed to be Iron Man's ultimate weapon and has shown many times to blow hole in his opponent's chest.

Iron Man is somewhat of an equal of Dr.Doom right now. Spidey could dodge repulsor beams, but when caught it would hurt so much. It would need one hit to incapacitate the spider.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Completely false. Their are several alien civilizations by themselves that have better engineering skills than Stark. No to mention the earth ones like Forge, who actually himself probably is probably the best engineers in the universe), BlackPanther, and Dr.Doom. Reeds intelligence however has dwarfed some advance alien races and any and all technolgy is easily decifered by him. He is als just as intelligent or smarter than Doom in all areas. Y'know the guy who made doombots, time machines, who's own armor has gone toe to toe with IM before, and who's armor absorbed cosmic piwers before.

Yes, I should put as "one of the masters". Forge should be the best inventors. Black Panther is more of a commitee guy when he makes stuff. Doom also creates zany stuff not limited to practical inventions.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I didn't say it didn't. I said that was the only suit that really did. That and this one--

Yikes, he's more like Dr. Octopus with those tentacles. I like Iron Spider better.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Most of the time the uni-beam is just used as a flashlight on steroids.

 

[Sloth7d]

UniBeam is the one on his chest. Supposed to be Iron Man's ultimate weapon and has shown many times to blow hole in his opponent's chest.

Iron Man is somewhat of an equal of Dr.Doom right now. Spidey could dodge repulsor beams, but when caught it would hurt so much. It would need one hit to incapacitate the spider.

At his best I don't see Spiderman getting hit.

Yikes, he's more like Dr. Octopus with those tentacles. I like Iron Spider better.

Its a misleading picture, I know, but the arms are actually attacking him. They aren't connected. Personally I like this suit better. The ironspider suit made him look like a side kick.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Most of the time the uni-beam is just used as a flashlight on steroids.

Only in Straczynski's Amazing Spider-Man. Check it out on display in Iron Man and Mighty Avengers. That's the true showing of what unibeam can do.

 

[chiefchirpa]

At his best I don't see Spiderman getting hit.

Spidey is not Wolverine. If hit, Spidey would be out cold like in Iron Man #14.

The ironspider suit made him look like a side kick.

Yeah, but Peter had chosen to be the side kick. Iron Spider could go into Stealth/Cloaking mode do you know that? Even the regular Iron Man suit doesn't have the ability to cloak. Tony has done a lot to pull Peter.

 

[Sloth7d]

Spidey is not Wolverine. If hit, Spidey would be out cold like in Iron Man #14.

I didn't say that. I said at his best I don't see Spiderman being hit by IM's attacks. And Spiderman has taken sentnil blast and Shockers sonic blast before anyway, among other attacks.

Yeah, but Peter had chosen to be the side kick. Iron Spider could go into Stealth/Cloaking mode do you know that? Even the regular Iron Man suit doesn't have the ability to cloak. Tony has done a lot to pull Peter.

I follow Spiderman and all civilwar and Avenger titles closely so I know about the Iron suits functions. Even the fact that it like the symbiote it can seperate parts of itself to other surfaces.
And yeah, he was suckered into playing sidekick.
Still, I like the steel Spiderman suit better for its looks and it isn't a side kick costume.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I didn't say that. I said at his best I don't see Spiderman being hit by IM's attacks. And Spiderman has taken sentnil blast and Shockers sonic blast before anyway, among other attacks.

Read Iron Man #14. I don't think those Repulsors even set to kill.

Sentinel blast doesn't mean a thing because of crude tech. Oh don't you know, Tony makes Sentinel now? Shockers? Pfft, minor league.

Yeah, he was suckered into playing sidekick.
Still, I like the steel Spiderman suit better for its looks and it isn't a side kick costume.

Why got suckered?

Tony's help is genuine as he wants to help Peter out of his domestic issue. Civil War turns it upside down.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Tony's help is genuine as he wants to help Peter out of his domestic issue. Civil War turns it upside down.

no, Tony's a manipulator, and he is very skillful at it. he always says he is a futurist, he knew the things to come and like Cap said, he played on Spidey's need for a father figure. so yeah. plus, Spidey's pretty crafty, anyone that remembers the "pass code: surprise" episode knows it.

 

[Sloth7d]

Read Iron Man #14. I don't think those Repulsors even set to kill.

Sentinel blast doesn't mean a thing because of crude tech. Oh don't you know, Tony makes Sentinel now? Shockers? Pfft, minor league.

The sentinel blast were set to kill. Whats the difference?

Shockers blast have put holes through peoples chest just like the repulsar rays. He was Kingpins hitman at one time y'know. I don't think he would use blasters that can only stun.

And again, at his best I doubt Ironman would even hit him.

Why got suckered?

Tony's help is genuine as he wants to help Peter out of his domestic issue. Civil War turns it upside down.

Tonys a futurist. He knew when the eventual CW came he would undoubtedly be against the act.
So he buttered Peter up with fancy gadgets, a new house, and a new job so he could pressure Peter into a corner later when the time came for him to beat up and put in jail his fellow superheroes.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Only if Tony were black and white, would that last argument work.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

actual the incident with the airliner pretty much underscores it.
he knew what side he was going to be on. from the start.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Like I said, only if Tony were one dimensional.

 

[Sloth7d]

Only if Tony were black and white, would that last argument work.

What argument? Tony tricking Peter? Because thats pretty much the way it went.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Like I said, only if Tony were one dimensional.

Like I said. No.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

What argument? Tony tricking Peter? Because thats pretty much the way it went.

Like I said. No.

In that aspect, Mr. Fantastic will always be the aloof scientist who cares not for anybody, and any other representation has been mischaracterized. Dr. Doom will always be some tyrannical despot who has zero cares for anything else. The Silver Surfer will always be some emo little guy with tons of power, and any showing of compassion and anger is mischaracterized. Peter Parker will always be this meek guy who can't take charge of his own life or make big decisions.

Like I said, you guys view Tony in one dimension, not as a character. Which is fun in it's own way, but totally inaccurate.

 

[chiefchirpa]

The sentinel blast were set to kill. Whats the difference?

Yep, but it's poor quality tech isn't it? In Iron Man #14 a mere repulsor shot put out Spidey for good. But you wouldn't dare to read it, would you?

Shockers blast have put holes through peoples chest just like the repulsar rays. He was Kingpins hitman at one time y'know. I don't think he would use blasters that can only stun.

Stark has better tech against the Shocker. Always. Iron Man's suit is state of the art. Sleek with many surprises.

How do you think Shocker or Spidey fare against Venom, huh? Well, Iron Man had Venom for lunch.

And again, at his best I doubt Ironman would even hit him.

Yeah, but if Spidey got hit, say buh bye.

Again, if you think he's just a man in a bulky armor, you're wrong. Inside he has a computer working to manage the armor. Furthermore now he got Extremis inside and it should fasten his response time interfacing with the computer. Pity that most readers and writers don't take into account this.

Tonys a futurist. He knew when the eventual CW came he would undoubtedly be against the act.
So he buttered Peter up with fancy gadgets, a new house, and a new job so he could pressure Peter into a corner later when the time came for him to beat up and put in jail his fellow superheroes.

Futurist is just a fancy word made up by Marvel. Fact of the matter is, Peter can't make up his own mind and of gullible type.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Like I said, you guys view Tony in one dimension, not as a character. Which is fun in it's own way, but totally inaccurate.

what's one dimensional about a manipulating futurist with an addictive personality taking advantage of another person's need for positive reinforcement from a father figure?