The Dark Knight Spoilers Ahoy! (Yep. Really.)

[TheBatman072]

Do we know that a thug tries to shoot The Joker? We know that a thug tries to shoot Grumpy, but my entire question rests on whether the two are the same.

The single piece of evidence for Grumpy and The Joker being one and the same is that Ledger has been seen in Grumpy's clothes. I agree that that carries a huge amount of weight, unless somebody wants to spread disinformation, after the sides became widely known.

So they'd waste the time, money, and film to shoot Ledger in one set of clothes, just to release and screw with the public. Then turn around and shoot all the same scenes with Ledger in different clothes for the movie?

 

[sasquatchs]

We know the guy in front is Ledger, and he's wearing the Grumpy mask
The man in the background (the car's driver) is wearing a smiling mask (Chuckles?), and appears to be pointing the gun at Ledger.
It seems in the sides as if Chuckles is testing Grumpy, but you could easily read it the other way round:

Grumpy purposefully doesn't mention the Joker's share. He has knowledge of the people on the roof and justifies their numbers. He's the first one to disparage the Joker, to get a rise out of Chuckles.

 

[regwec]

We know the guy in front is Ledger, and he's wearing the Grumpy mask

Do we? Why does he have a flesh coloured face?

You tell me. Has Heath actually been filmed outdoors, with a costume, but no mask? Or maybe the script offers a reason for the robbers to swap clothes once indoors? I don't know.

 

[sasquatchs]

Yes, quite alot. The driver has a blue jacket, another one black, Ledger in that grey thing with the blue shirt. The guy driving the bus had the same attire. Although there was only 3 thugs throughout that filming, maybe they changed the numbers. The flesh thing I have no idea

 

[Kleric]

We are assuming that picture is of the side. They look like they are in the bank, seems to be in the middle of the robbery. The side seems to happen just before. Chuckles could be pointing at anything in the fore ground. There is also the possibility that chuckles is the grumpy face clown and grumpy is the smiling one.

*sigh* anything is possible.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I keep thinking there are two bank scenes in the film. The prologue being the huge Gotham City Bank and a smaller bank toward the middle of the film.

Joker gets his dues with Batman in the prologue with a zip line to the face. And in the smaller bank scene Joker reveals his pretty facial to the bank manager.

 

[sasquatchs]

The side seems to happen just before. Chuckles could be pointing at anything in the fore ground. There is also the possibility that chuckles is the grumpy face clown and grumpy is the smiling one.

You have a good point, it doesn't make alot of sense to have that conversation once they're in the bank. This probably backs that up, although I have no idea if they're actually filming here, and the videos make it look like they go directly into the bank.

Ledger is definitely in the rear (wearing sad mask), the driver in blue at the front (wearing smily).

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You have a good point, it doesn't make alot of sense to have that conversation once they're in the bank. This probably backs that up, although I have no idea if they're actually filming here, and the videos make it look like they go directly into the bank.

Ledger is definitely in the rear (wearing sad mask), the driver in blue at the front (wearing smily).

what again.



bad joke i know.

 

[sasquatchs]

Hmm, that puts a whole new meaning on "Guys harder than the both of us are afraid of him...Chuckles aims his weapon at Grumpy". The subtext is just staring us in the face.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

sorry.. i think i went a little to far.



couldn't help it.

 

[Steelsheen]

Just to update you gents:

I've gotten some PMs requesting a status on Miss Fox. To date, I have not yet received a PMed reply from her, and her account has not been active since Monday. Let's hope she thinks better of her decision and returns.

but does she have that PM Notification Email activated? she wouldnt have a clue otherwise unless she comes back here and actually logs in.

Do we? Why does he have a flesh coloured face?

You tell me. Has Heath actually been filmed outdoors, with a costume, but no mask? Or maybe the script offers a reason for the robbers to swap clothes once indoors? I don't know.

theres word that Joker wears flesh colored make-up in the movie then clears it out to reveal his pasty white skin.

 

[itsthebatman]

Why? Joker testing his thug's loyalty seems more obvious, but us knowing Ledger wore the Grumpy mask, and that a thug tries to shoot Joker is stronger evidence pointing to Joker being Grumpy.

To me, the sides and the photos from the filming contradict each other.
Rather than worry about it too much, I'm gonna have a nice glass of turnip juice.

 

[raybia]

To me, the sides and the photos from the filming contradict each other.
Rather than worry about it too much, I'm gonna have a nice glass of turnip juice.

Thats some funny s***! t:


Raybia

 

[regwec]

Looking at the higher resolution pictures, it seems that Ledger is removing a mask that is quite different to Grumpy's. That leads me to only one conclusion.

Heath Ledger is really playing a cashier at the bank, rather than the Joker. :|

 

[Bond]

Has Heath actually been filmed outdoors, with a costume, but no mask?

Yes, actually.

I have the pictures on the other computer.

I'll see if they're still on there...

 

[itsthebatman]

Looking at the higher resolution pictures, it seems that Ledger is removing a mask that is quite different to Grumpy's. That leads me to only one conclusion.

Heath Ledger is really playing a cashier at the bank, rather than the Joker. :|

Noln duz it agen!!!!!!!!! AMh is real jOkr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bond]

Damn. I can't find the pics I was thinking of.

I remember it showed Ledger walking into that car while putting his Grumpy mask on, there were other pictures of him standing around holding the mask in his hand, some pics of Nolan, there was green writing all over from the guy who took the shot...

Anyone remember?

 

[regwec]

I know the pics you mean, I just wasn't sure that the cameras were actually rolling at the time.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.

 

[Steelsheen]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.

its easy to add filters in post to make the scene look dark.

 

[Bond]

I know the pics you mean, I just wasn't sure that the cameras were actually rolling at the time.

They were.

Nolan was right behind him with the camera.

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

I haven't read the sides but is there a possibility that they are shooting 2 seperate scenes that are not continuous? For instance, is there a chance that the bank robbery with the clown masks takes place during a different timeline than the scene with Ledger in full on Joker makeup?

 

[marcofthebeast]

That is what I have been trying to say.

 

[raybia]

I thought the bank scene took place at night?

If it's daytime, then no way Batman could cause the zipline accident there.

Isn't it possible that while they actually filmed during the day, that the scene in the movie could be in the evening?


Raybia

 

[sasquatchs]

The sides say it's day. The sides know all