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Just saw the movie and....it's one of the worst Marvel movies to date (if not the worst), which makes me believe that Marvel arrived to a point where reviewer just have to say it's good/great.
How could reviewers praised that movie is...i don't get.

It's style over substance, nothing more.
It's Inception on steroids meets the last scene from Fantastic Four II, but instead of Shanghai is Hong Kong and Dormammu being a better Galactus, but still in the same vein.
And i hate the all magic looking like ground fireworks in steroids. The all waving of the hand in circle motion to open portals looks pathetic after the 2nd time.

Rachel McAdams is ridiculously used. The reason for the hospital scenes after Strange goes to Kathmandu is a sorry excuse for her to be there.
When you do the same crap twice, there is something really wrong there....it's cinema 101.

Tilda Swinton makes a bad job. She is a great actress, with a lousy role to play. Like i read somewhere, she is just there delivering her lines like she’s doped up on Xanax.

The villain is awful. And the comedy bits are painful to watch. The The Cloak of Levitation bits are....WTF?!?!?!!?
The cloak betting on one of the thugs is......WHAT THE HELL?!?!??

And it gives an all new meaning to the word OVERUSED.
Mirror dimension - check
Opening Portals - check
Inception on steroids - check
Martial Arts - check
Rewind time - check
Glass dagger/sword - check
Astral Projection - check (once it got into the movie)
Magic/Energy Whip - check
Hospital scene to give McAdams a reason to be there - Twice

The movie is saved by the great job of Cumberbatch and Ejiofor.
How they could make a great job there is beyond me.

And let me tell you about the car crash.......ridiculous, too over the top.
Anyone would have died, even before hitting the water.
Sometimes less is more.

All in all, it still watchable but a bland movie.
I give it a 5/10

Just to point out that, i didn't got a good vibe from the trailers, and the first scene of the movie (Ancient One vs the bad guys) made me go.....this is going to painful to watch.
 
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Isildur´s Heir;34461947 said:
Just saw the movie and....it's one of the worst Marvel movies to date (if not the worst), which makes me believe that Marvel arrived to a point where reviewer just have to say it's good/great.
How could reviewers praised that movie is...i don't get.

It's style over substance, nothing more.
It's Inception on steroids meets the last scene from Fantastic Four II, but instead of Shanghai is Hong Kong and Dormammu being a better Galactus, but still in the same vein.
And i hate the all magic looking like ground fireworks in steroids. The all waving of the hand in circle motion to open portals looks pathetic after the 2nd time.

Rachel McAdams is ridiculously used. The reason for the hospital scenes after Strange goes to Kathmandu is a sorry excuse for her to be there.
When you do the same crap twice, there is something really wrong there....it's cinema 101.

Tilda Swinton makes a bad job. She is a great actress, with a lousy role to play. Like i read somewhere, she is just there delivering her lines like she’s doped up on Xanax.

The villain is awful. And the comedy bits are painful to watch. The The Cloak of Levitation bits are....WTF?!?!?!!?
The cloak betting on one of the thugs is......WHAT THE HELL?!?!??

And it gives an all new meaning to the word OVERUSED.
Mirror dimension - check
Opening Portals - check
Inception on steroids - check
Martial Arts - check
Rewind time - check
Glass dagger/sword - check
Astral Projection - check (once it got into the movie)
Magic/Energy Whip - check
Hospital scene to give McAdams a reason to be there - Twice

The movie is saved by the great job of Cumberbatch and Ejiofor.
How they could make a great job there is beyond me.

And let me tell you about the car crash.......ridiculous, too over the top.
Anyone would have died, even before hitting the water.
Sometimes less is more.

All in all, it still watchable but a bland movie.
I give it a 5/10

Just to point out that, i didn't got a good vibe from the trailers, and the first scene of the movie (Ancient One vs the bad guys) made me go.....this is going to painful to watch.

Wow, that was some rant. Actually I agree with you on almost everything except the Ancient One part (She was really awesome IMO) and use of special effects, it was kinda overused but I also loved it for that very reason.

As for the rest of the review/rant......

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It's ok. Not everyone has great taste.

Reviewers praise it because they have better taste and understanding of what it is that makes a quality film. I'm just glad my opinion of films is generally in line with reviewers for the most part.

As for the rant:

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It's ok. Not everyone has great taste.

Reviewers praise it because they have better taste and understanding of what it is that makes a quality film. I'm just glad my opinion of films is generally in line with reviewers for the most part.

As for the rant:

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Its extremely arrogant to say that if someone doesnt like a film you like that person has bad taste. And I liked DS.
 
@ Typhoon22

I don't know how much of that was directed at me but I really thought parts of DS was amazing. On the whole, I thought it was just okay. Different strokes...... :)
 
Wow, that was some rant. Actually I agree with you on almost everything except the Ancient One part (She was really awesome IMO) and use of special effects, it was kinda overused but I also loved it for that very reason.
I didn't liked the Ancient One because i felt her character was irrelevant.
It could have been great, if they didn't want to use the character as she was the "kung-Fu Teacher".
The special effects are great, but the magic being like fireworks sparks was a bad choice. Even the movie realizes it by playing with that in the last post-credit scene, with Pangborn in his workshop.
In fact, there are a lot of poor choices in the movie, like the overused Inception "city on drugs", the mirror dimension, the opening of portals by making circular motions with the hand, the cloak being sentient or the sling-rings.....a lot of really bad choices.
Even the Eye of Agamotto is horribly used.

The main problem is that, from time to time, it really wants to be Harry Potter....without wands and with superheroes.
But Dr. Strange is nothing like Harry Potter, Strange is spiritual and esoteric, Potter is not.
Sure, you have the all astral plane and multiverse....but it's extremely simplistic in the way it's presented.

Dr. Strange was not a easy movie to make, but it could have been light years better than it was.

In fact, if you watch the tv show The Magicians, they have a better use of magic than Dr. Strange.
Dr. Strange is more Harry Potter, the Magicians is more "if magic was real"; Dr. Strange should have been if esoterism and spirituality was true (or is, depending on your beliefs).
 
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Isildur´s Heir;34461947 said:
Just saw the movie and....it's one of the worst Marvel movies to date (if not the worst), which makes me believe that Marvel arrived to a point where reviewer just have to say it's good/great.
How could reviewers praised that movie is...i don't get.

It's style over substance, nothing more.
It's Inception on steroids meets the last scene from Fantastic Four II, but instead of Shanghai is Hong Kong and Dormammu being a better Galactus, but still in the same vein.
And i hate the all magic looking like ground fireworks in steroids. The all waving of the hand in circle motion to open portals looks pathetic after the 2nd time.

Rachel McAdams is ridiculously used. The reason for the hospital scenes after Strange goes to Kathmandu is a sorry excuse for her to be there.
When you do the same crap twice, there is something really wrong there....it's cinema 101.

Tilda Swinton makes a bad job. She is a great actress, with a lousy role to play. Like i read somewhere, she is just there delivering her lines like she’s doped up on Xanax.

The villain is awful. And the comedy bits are painful to watch. The The Cloak of Levitation bits are....WTF?!?!?!!?
The cloak betting on one of the thugs is......WHAT THE HELL?!?!??

And it gives an all new meaning to the word OVERUSED.
Mirror dimension - check
Opening Portals - check
Inception on steroids - check
Martial Arts - check
Rewind time - check
Glass dagger/sword - check
Astral Projection - check (once it got into the movie)
Magic/Energy Whip - check
Hospital scene to give McAdams a reason to be there - Twice

The movie is saved by the great job of Cumberbatch and Ejiofor.
How they could make a great job there is beyond me.

And let me tell you about the car crash.......ridiculous, too over the top.
Anyone would have died, even before hitting the water.
Sometimes less is more.

All in all, it still watchable but a bland movie.
I give it a 5/10

Just to point out that, i didn't got a good vibe from the trailers, and the first scene of the movie (Ancient One vs the bad guys) made me go.....this is going to painful to watch.

The son of Elendil has disowned you (I just added that to the Akallabeth so you can forget about the North and South Kingdoms.). :oldrazz:

While I completely disagree with you on virtually every point, you are certainly entitled to your opinion of the movie without getting blasted by me. I think people tend to react when opinion is stated as fact, but, ultimately, unless someone says something like "Objectively, this movie....blah, blah, blah", that we all know it's just that.....an opinion.
 
Isildur´s Heir;34464259 said:
I didn't liked the Ancient One because i felt her character was irrelevant.
It could have been great, if they didn't want to use the character as she was the "kung-Fu Teacher".
The special effects are great, but the magic being like fireworks sparks was a bad choice. Even the movie realizes it by playing with that in the last post-credit scene, with Pangborn in his workshop.
In fact, there are a lot of poor choices in the movie, like the overused Inception "city on drugs", the mirror dimension, the opening of portals by making circular motions with the hand, the cloak being sentient or the sling-rings.....a lot of really bad choices.
Even the Eye of Agamotto is horribly used.

The main problem is that, from time to time, it really wants to be Harry Potter....without wands and with superheroes.
But Dr. Strange is nothing like Harry Potter, Strange is spiritual and esoteric, Potter is not.
Sure, you have the all astral plane and multiverse....but it's extremely simplistic in the way it's presented.

Dr. Strange was not a easy movie to make, but it could have been light years better than it was.

In fact, if you watch the tv show The Magicians, they have a better use of magic than Dr. Strange.
Dr. Strange is more Harry Potter, the Magicians is more "if magic was real"; Dr. Strange should have been if esoterism and spirituality was true (or is, depending on your beliefs).

Now you're losing me......how was The Ancient One irrelevant? :huh:

Stopped reading after "The Ancient One was irrelevant".

Ditto, but it tweaked my curiosity.
 
Now you're losing me......how was The Ancient One irrelevant? :huh:
Ok, maybe irrelevant wasn't the right word, but she was like any other master in all Kung Fu movies, but with magic.

They missed the opportunity of doing something great and memorable with the character.
 
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Isildur´s Heir;34464691 said:
Ok, maybe irrelevant wasn't the right word, but she was like any other master in all Kung Fu movies, but with magic.

They missed the opportunity of doing something great and memorable with the character.

"Predictable" was maybe the word you were looking for? I thought Swinton was terrific, but, yes, the masters teach their pupils and then die. That's pretty much the formula, BUT I liked the way she bowed out and thought it was a nice twist. Usually they are on the ground dying and trying to bubble out some words before they collapse, but they did a nice take on her death that fit with the earlier part of the movie.

Different strokes I suppose, but let's not go down the critics just automatically give Marvel movies a good review path. Fan reaction also seems to be overwhelmingly positive. You just didn't like it. That's fine.
 
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@ Typhoon22

I don't know how much of that was directed at me but I really thought parts of DS was amazing. On the whole, I thought it was just okay. Different strokes...... :)

Totally not at you. It was targeted at the condescending rant of a certain someone towards reviewers. I don't mind when someone doesn't like a film that is unanimously praised by critics and fans alike but to be so condescending towards not only people who did love it but reviewers who have a better grasp at taste in quality filmmaking just seems funny in retrospect.

For example GOTG is unanimously loved, Civil War is unanimously loved and I admit both are well made quality films that I just liked, not loved. But to call them one of the worst films ? I can't take an opinion like that seriously on films that are unanimously praised. I can see the quality in them despite the flaws. There's a reason why they are so unanimously praised. Ah well my issue was more with the condescending nature of it and quite frankly the entire rant makes little sense but to each their own.
 
Totally not at you. It was targeted at the condescending rant of a certain someone towards reviewers. I don't mind when someone doesn't like a film that is unanimously praised by critics and fans alike but to be so condescending towards not only people who did love it but reviewers who have a better grasp at taste in quality filmmaking just seems funny in retrospect.

For example GOTG is unanimously loved, Civil War is unanimously loved and I admit both are well made quality films that I just liked, not loved. But to call them one of the worst films ? I can't take an opinion like that seriously on films that are unanimously praised. I can see the quality in them despite the flaws. There's a reason why they are so unanimously praised. Ah well my issue was more with the condescending nature of it and quite frankly the entire rant makes little sense but to each their own.
It's not being condescending, it's about being realistic...and maybe a little bit cynical.
Ever heard of David Manning?
David Manning was a pseudonym used by a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation around July 2000 to give consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures.
If it was done once, why can't it be done again?
I'm always a bit suspicious when everything from a certain brand (Marvel, in this case) is always praised.

But my main problem with Marvel movies is that they are extremely infatuated with the idea of the Marvel Universe, instead of being the universe that resolves around the characters, is the other way around...and with the Avenger at the center.
But it's better than DCCU, which doesn't get the characters....at all.

Marvel movies, imo, go from great to good...usually, but sometimes they get it wrong, like IM 2 & 3, like Thor 2...and like this one.
Even Avengers 2 was not all that.

Maybe it's because i started reading comics at an early age and i loved movies, which always made me have a very cinematic way of looking at things (hence why i studied film making for 3 years).
Since late 80s and early 90s, i wanted serious superhero movies; and since that time i started to think how to translate them all into movies.
Personally, and arrogance aside, i know how to bring almost all characters "to life".
Maybe because of it, i'm extremely critic when it comes to comic book movies.
 
Isildur´s Heir;34464845 said:
It's not being condescending, it's about being realistic...and maybe a little bit cynical.
Ever heard of David Manning?
David Manning was a pseudonym used by a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation around July 2000 to give consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures.
If it was done once, why can't it be done again?
I'm always a bit suspicious when everything from a certain brand (Marvel, in this case) is always praised.

But my main problem with Marvel movies is that they are extremely infatuated with the idea of the Marvel Universe, instead of being the universe that resolves around the characters, is the other way around...and with the Avenger at the center.
But it's better than DCCU, which doesn't get the characters....at all.

Marvel movies, imo, go from great to good...usually, but sometimes they get it wrong, like IM 2 & 3, like Thor 2...and like this one.
Even Avengers 2 was not all that.

Maybe it's because i started reading comics at an early age and i loved movies, which always made me have a very cinematic way of looking at things (hence why i studied film making for 3 years).
Since late 80s and early 90s, i wanted serious superhero movies; and since that time i started to think how to translate them all into movies.
Personally, and arrogance aside, i know how to bring almost all characters "to life".
Maybe because of it, i'm extremely critic when it comes to comic book movies.

There may be some level of chicanery when it comes to movie reviews, but for it to have the sort of effect you are describing it would have to be pervasive and there's just no way for that to happen. Say, for example, that out of the approximately 300 reviews on RT that 15 of them (and that's WAY too high IMO) were, to use a word tossed around recently, "rigged". 15 positive reviews for a movie with an RT score of 90% only drops you to 85% if they were withheld. It's just not doable and the potential fallout of a widespread scam just isn't worth it. Also, it's not like RT is some outlier when it comes to critical and fan reviews. We may not always agree with it, but that's just taste; not conspiracy.

I agree that my least favorite movies were IM2 and 3 and TDW (but love Thor), but I actually liked AoU better than the first Avengers movie. Having the band together for the first time was very exciting, but felt AoU benefitted from the actors being more familiar with each other.
 
Isildur´s Heir;34464845 said:
It's not being condescending, it's about being realistic...and maybe a little bit cynical.
Ever heard of David Manning?
David Manning was a pseudonym used by a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation around July 2000 to give consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures.
If it was done once, why can't it be done again?
I'm always a bit suspicious when everything from a certain brand (Marvel, in this case) is always praised.

If you're honestly suggesting that there is some sort of conspiracy where critics are propping up Marvel movies, then no, you are not being realistic.
 
If you're honestly suggesting that there is some sort of conspiracy where critics are propping up Marvel movies, then no, you are not being realistic.

I'm sure there are a few critics that have a Marvel bias, a DC bias, hate CBM, etc. Just like the general population. If RT was consistently different than the general consensus, I'd say "maybe", but still unlikely.

Marvel makes better movies than its competitors at this point and they get better ratings. It doesn't mean that everyone is going to like any particular movie. Marvel "might" get slightly better reviews for similar quality movies, but, if they do, it's because they've built trust and goodwill. Let's lose the secret society of Marvel critics.
 
I tried watching the Magicians... and I really wanted to like it... but it just bored me... stopped by the fourth episode...

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Nothing makes me laugh more than a poster with a DC character avatar claiming that Marvel pays off critics.......high lair ee us.
 
I went in not knowing too much of Dr Strange and walked out thinking i could have done a better job. It felt too clichey. It definitely went with style over substance.
I felt the CGI cape was pointless and took me out of the movie - funnily enough. I also thought how RDJ would have been a better fit, even Christian Bale. I think it being an origin story was it's down fall.
For what it's worth, i would have rather the film started off with a fully 'grown' Dr Strange. He introduces us to his bazaar world. I feel and again i could be wrong but i wish they had went with a Dr Who style formula.

My pitch - the world has changed, meta humans, aliens, robots, nothing appears strange anymore.
It's 1986, Halloween, kids are goofing around, around the streets kids dressed as ET, Han solo, even a vintage capt america and are trick or treating down a neighbourhood, in a shed, a few teens are playing with a ouiji board, one pulls out a spell book he has had in his family for years.
They have no idea what anything means and they carry on pretending to recite spells and ask the ouiji questions until something is awoken - as if, by magic, the teen appears in a trance - his eyes darken and he recites a spell.
From outside the shed glows and kids scream as a bolt races out and into the sky.
News reports circulate and the press go crazy for halloween antics go wrong as a girl is presumed kidnapped. The teens say it was a demon with a black heart - the police have no leads.
Credits role.
This day, a man in his 30's has made it his life's mission to find his sister and it doing his best to contact the avengers and get his story heard - could they help him?
The man ends up in asia, years of research leads him looking for the ancient one - he doesn't succeed, but.. someone finds him. In a remote village, the space before him opens up and out steps Dr Strange.
Dr Strange conforts the man, he tells him that he is on a path of evil if he is to continue misusing 'magic', falling short of selling his soul to the devil's helper Zadkiel himself. He agrees to hand over this spell book, stop his work if Strange will help him, which he agrees to do.
They enter the under world, other dimensions and battle inner demons as well as Black heart himself to retrieve his sister.
At the end, he has a choice - to stay with his sister in another dimension or create a paradox in time - As Strange walks away, a crack in the sky appears, behind it, an eye.
For the man that contacted strange was indeed the possesed teen trying to find a way back to the under world with his sister - they were indeed the children of the black heart project.

Now, this took me 5 minutes to come up with, using google. But it feels a lot different that the cookie cutter movie we got.
 
I went in not knowing too much of Dr Strange and walked out thinking i could have done a better job. It felt too clichey. It definitely went with style over substance.
I felt the CGI cape was pointless and took me out of the movie - funnily enough. I also thought how RDJ would have been a better fit, even Christian Bale. I think it being an origin story was it's down fall.
For what it's worth, i would have rather the film started off with a fully 'grown' Dr Strange. He introduces us to his bazaar world. I feel and again i could be wrong but i wish they had went with a Dr Who style formula.

My pitch - the world has changed, meta humans, aliens, robots, nothing appears strange anymore.
It's 1986, Halloween, kids are goofing around, around the streets kids dressed as ET, Han solo, even a vintage capt america and are trick or treating down a neighbourhood, in a shed, a few teens are playing with a ouiji board, one pulls out a spell book he has had in his family for years.
They have no idea what anything means and they carry on pretending to recite spells and ask the ouiji questions until something is awoken - as if, by magic, the teen appears in a trance - his eyes darken and he recites a spell.
From outside the shed glows and kids scream as a bolt races out and into the sky.
News reports circulate and the press go crazy for halloween antics go wrong as a girl is presumed kidnapped. The teens say it was a demon with a black heart - the police have no leads.
Credits role.
This day, a man in his 30's has made it his life's mission to find his sister and it doing his best to contact the avengers and get his story heard - could they help him?
The man ends up in asia, years of research leads him looking for the ancient one - he doesn't succeed, but.. someone finds him. In a remote village, the space before him opens up and out steps Dr Strange.
Dr Strange conforts the man, he tells him that he is on a path of evil if he is to continue misusing 'magic', falling short of selling his soul to the devil's helper Zadkiel himself. He agrees to hand over this spell book, stop his work if Strange will help him, which he agrees to do.
They enter the under world, other dimensions and battle inner demons as well as Black heart himself to retrieve his sister.
At the end, he has a choice - to stay with his sister in another dimension or create a paradox in time - As Strange walks away, a crack in the sky appears, behind it, an eye.
For the man that contacted strange was indeed the possesed teen trying to find a way back to the under world with his sister - they were indeed the children of the black heart project.

Now, this took me 5 minutes to come up with, using google. But it feels a lot different that the cookie cutter movie we got.

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Yeah, as soon as he said he could do a better job I stopped reading.
 
Lucky you. I kept reading.

Some people just have such massive egos they think their opinion is the one that matters and is the definitive value of quality when in reality their opinion is so painfully wrong and trash that they are, ironically, so oblivious to it.
 
I got to seeing this on Wednesday night feeling very positive given the pedigree, the word of mouth and of course Cumberbatch as the lead, Dr. Strange.


I came out feeling I had just seen something that was only slightly better than THOR 2 and slightly less good than INCREDIBLE HULK. That was NOT what I was expecting at all. Now... There are things that do work and work well. The visuals, especially Strange's introduction to the nature of reality is really good looking. They captured the trippy visuals of Strange stories. Production design was on point more or less and the actors are all well cast. But the end result was still very stillborn to my eyes.

I was never all that drawn into the film once Strange actually was in training. Everything up to that was engaging. We have the mysterious world of clashing sorcerers and a broad but well done character piece about Strange as an elite surgeon. Cumberbatch is good enough getting the bullet points of Strange across and there was a genuine moment of high drama when he and Mcadams have a fight and he accuses her of just pitying him. It's the surface nature of everything that undermines these elements though and as such I wasn't invested as much as I would have liked to have been. I think one of the main culprits is the film's script and run time, especially that run time.

The film whizzes way too fast through everything. Let me put it this way... It's officially supposed to be 1 hour 55 minutes. It felt much faster and not for the good since, what, ten minutes plus of that is credits? This felt like a film that needed to have a lot more focus or more texture or something. It certainly NEEDED a compelling villain and Mads' character is just as boiler plate bland as can be, underdeveloped AND he's narrative wise not even the big bad per se, but the big bad's cats' paw... And the big bad is given NO development or even a great explanation at all. Strange's learning of the mystic arts is not handled particularly well and I didn't buy, well, any of the relationships, though I was warming to both Strange's interactions with the Ancient One and Mordo, but I think that was just the actors' natural charisma and talent more than the story and actions of the characters. Mordo is quite underdeveloped though the potential given Eijiofor's performance is apparent. It again is rather rushed though, Mordo's arc, and then I never felt the Dark Dimension taboo that the Ancient One had broken was all that well explained nor it's ramifications to the audience. Because of all that the other aspects felt pretty hallow to me as well. Yes, the visual spectacle was well done but I just felt no big connection to the conflict or the characters, and sorry, but when that happens, when the stakes already have a certain amount of drama and tension drained from them the nail in the coffin is likely then to be humor that gets injected into these sorts of films and... YUP, we get some really ham fisted "lightness", especially in connection with the Cloak. I know, I know, they were going for a Magic Carpet from Aladdin angle. I get what they were going for. I just didn't think they succeeded. There were a few jokes that hit their marks well but I kept thinking "If you had time to dedicate to funny Cloak gags and Beyonce references then you should have made time to develop the villains, put meat on the bones of the main protagonists and give some more compelling reasons to have Rachel Mcadams in this film in the first place (Side note... Some characters have significant others/romantic interest characters in their supporting cast that simply MUST at some point be part of the story as they themselves are a HUGE part of the general mythology. Your Mary Janes, your Lois Lanes, your Catwomans. For Strange that's Clea. Rachel McAdams is not playing Clea. And she's not utilized all that well or with any great significance to the story, and do any of us want to bet she won't be seen in the MCU ever again? So why even have the character she plays in the film at all?)

The film is not some terrible hot mess though. The money is up on the screen for sure. the SFX are all quite good and no one give a phoned in or bad performance. But the script itself and the final product both suffer from a general, going through the motions malaise. Cumberbatch's charm and charisma and talent can't change those issues. Did the film desperately make me want to see more of the world(s) of Doctor Strange? It did, but that's probably because I didn't feel the movie did all that good of a job of exploring what it laid out all that well, not because this initial installment was something I found particularly entertaining.





Yes... The post-credit scene with Thor was fun and I loved the interactions between the two and it made me want to see Thor and Strange together again.
 
Just got done seeing this.

Didn't connect with the movie all that much - was too formulaic. The Multiverse and Dark Universe save the material. I just didn't see what everyone else did when it comes to Cumberbatch being synonymous with Strange the way RDJ has been for IM.

The way Strange negotiated with Dormammu at the end didn't feel like a great payoff that this kind of movie should have. Seemed more like something you'd see out of a role playing game than a CBM blockbuster.

The events of this movie also seem to happen uber fast.
 
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I saw it again and DS just got worse for me. I've said my piece before and I ain't gonna harp on the negative things but the ending which I thought was very clever before and it still is but on the whole it didn't really jive with me this time around. Things that I still loved were Tilda Swinton as Ancient One and the amazing visuals. It sits with T:TDW and IM2 as one of the slightly mediocre MCU movies IMO. I'll give this 5.5/10.
 

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