Star Wars 2.0 - Part 1.5 Chapter III: Revenge of the Thread - Part 4

[the amazing fro]

I think what was needed was something that made Anakin likeable so we cared and a flawed character so his fall was believable. I think Lucas focused more on the flawed character side. Thing was I never liked Anakin. At all. I don't know anybody who did. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I didn't really like Othello as a character doesn't stop it being one of my favourite pieces of literature ever. Its all about execution. If Anakin's reasons for turning were a little more concrete and a tiny bit slower I think the prequels would be greatly improved.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

i dont think it would have played right...one of the biggest complaints I have heard about ROTS is the turn to the darkside was too quick. I think people would have an issue if he was happy-go=lucky for two films and then becomes evil in the third.

I wouldn't change the pace of his change in the third movie, and being happy-go-lucky doesn't mean you're that way all the time. In fact, I'd keep the serious moments, what I'd lose is how he acted when he was on his Jedi travels and battles. The stuff about his mom, his relationship with Sidious, and his premonitions I'd keep the same. You need the light to balance the dark. He was emotionally unhinged all the time, and when he wasn't his acting was as boring as paint drying. When he wasn't comtemplating his emotions, we needed to see he was a fun and likeable person. That's how you create emotional depth, by making someone more than a one-note character. They gave Anakin only one emotional note to play and that was Vader.

To quote my earlier example, Two-Face in TDK, we saw that there was more than one side of him. We could and did become attached to both sides, so when he "loses it" you get that sense of emotional loss. What did we lose with Vader? Nothing. In fact we gained something, because Hayden went from being a relatively banal character to this saber slinging bada$$. If we'd become accustomed to some semblence of happiness in Anakin, watching him lose that would've been emotionally troubling, like having your heart ripped out.

You're point about him "showing darkness". He does that. He slays Sand people, he executes Dooku, he exudes bloodlust in battle during AotC, and he seems to have some borderline fascist beliefs. It's just that nothing counterbalances those things, so they seem perfectly typical for a whining brat who doesn't appreciate the Jedi Council. No depth, he's just a superficial bad egg waiting to crack.

If you make him like Luke, who is happy-go-lucky, you open yourself up for MORE showings of a dark side because you'll be able to emphasize how out of place they are. Imagine him for example valiantly stopping an enemy combatant and then idly force choking him for a long time to finish him off. That would've been great, and the subtlty of him enjoying battle would really twist that just a little bit.

 

[Lord]

As a kid when i watched episode III anakin was my favourite character, i sincerelly don't know why and am very ashamed for that

 

[the amazing fro]

Nothing to be ashamed about man. As a kid I hated Han Solo!

 

[Lord]

While i'm a fan of the prequels i must say that Two-face's fall was what anakin's fall should have been like but the clone wars tv show (both) did a good job making him a likeable character with a darker side

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

While i'm a fan of the prequels i must say that Two-face's fall was what anakin's fall should have been like but the clone wars tv show (both) did a good job making him a likeable character with a darker side

I think I mentioned it, but the TV does a much better job of Anakin IMO. I even like the visions of Vader stuff, that's a nice addition.

 

[Bim]

I think what was needed was something that made Anakin likeable so we cared and a flawed character so his fall was believable. I think Lucas focused more on the flawed character side. Thing was I never liked Anakin. At all. I don't know anybody who did. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I didn't really like Othello as a character doesn't stop it being one of my favourite pieces of literature ever. Its all about execution. If Anakin's reasons for turning were a little more concrete and a tiny bit slower I think the prequels would be greatly improved.

I personally wasnt as amazed by Vader as most of the fans when i saw the OT, and i must say i never liked him because of the bad things he did, so that's why i can relate when you say you didnt like Anakin... although i think the right term for me is sympathize instead of liking... I was never going to agree with his actions because he always had the choice in his decisions, so the way i see it maybe Lucas' purpose wasnt to make him likeable, but to show how a powerful person with a promising future who can have the best intentions (an in fact thinks he's doing the right thing) can make serious mistakes that affect those around him and himself screwing it all up. Maybe most were expecting him to be a wholesome fella who went down the dark path as the journey progressed. But Anakin was a flawed character from the start, in my opinion, with very serious emotional issues (from growing up a slave to not really having a father figure), and i think that caught most of us by surprise.

I think Anakin is a complex individual (more so than i originally envisioned), and although Hayden gets a lot of badmouthing, i think he portrayed the subtle complexities of the character very well. Yeah the delivery of some lines made me , but then again i see this in some OT moments as well so it isnt just Hayden guilty of this.

I hope this makes sense because i'm at work and i feel like i'm rambling on

Lord: dont be ashamed of that

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

If we ever got another onscreen adaption of Anakin Skywalker, say in like a Jango Fett or Clone Wars movie, I'd cast Chris Hemsworth. To me that's what Anakin is like.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

As a kid when i watched episode III anakin was my favourite character, i sincerelly don't know why and am very ashamed for that

Don't be ashamed of that!

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

This would've been such a perfect look and attitude for Anakin Skywalker.

It would've nailed everything that was good about Vader, while displaying him as the hero of the people that we're led to believe he was.

Check this out too

Young Anakin - same hair, and more rounded features like Hemsworth

Chris Hemsworth (late 20s) - with Padme

And he even kind of looks like maskless Vader

 

[CelticPredator]

Nah. You should be ashamed.

I too was a kid when ROTS came out...13 I think....I always found Anakin to be a whiny girl. I was very happy to see him burn.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

another new addition(not a joke one) seems selbulba(sp) is hanging with jabba

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[Lord]

By the way, was Luuke really going to offer R2D2 and C3PO to Jabba?
That was a little douce bag of him.
Ps: another thing, i don't get people to get annoyed but is it just me or Anakin Skywalker is a more 3 dimensional character in The clone wars than Luke was in the original movie?
Please don't get too mad

 

[Kurosawa]

By the way, was Luuke really going to offer R2D2 and C3PO to Jabba?
That was a little douce bag of him.
Ps: another thing, i don't get people to get annoyed but is it just me or Anakin Skywalker is a more 3 dimensional character in The clone wars than Luke was in the original movie?
Please don't get too mad

More 3 dimensional, maybe but nowhere near as easy to like. Luke is awesome.

As for Anakin not being easy to like, well maybe him being such a great guy was another one of Obi-Wan's "certain point of view" (aka lies) things.

 

[The Navigator]

By the way, was Luuke really going to offer R2D2 and C3PO to Jabba?
That was a little douce bag of him.
Ps: another thing, i don't get people to get annoyed but is it just me or Anakin Skywalker is a more 3 dimensional character in The clone wars than Luke was in the original movie?
Please don't get too mad

Doubt it, since even by the end of ANH he refuses to fly against the death Star without Artoo. Plus Artoo's also carrying his lightsaber in jedi, and I can't imagine he'd want to throw that away.

 

[Lord]

Then why did he give that offer to Jabba?

 

[The Navigator]

Then why did he give that offer to Jabba?

To plant them in an incospicuous position that he could later use to his advantage/as a backup plan to Leia.

 

[Obi-Ron]

He needed Artoo in place to sneak in his light saber.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I wouldn't call Padme weak minded though. Perhaps it needs a great deal of concentration like a lot of force powers and it would be unwise for Vader to just stop fighting to try and force choke him leaving him open for half a second. To anyone else it would be fine but to Fett, all he needs is a half a second of opportunity and its all over. He's a pretty formidable dude (in the EU anyway).

Padme was emotionally wrecked though at that point, and she wasn't a warrior like Fett. I suppose there could be a few reasons.

I'm assuming he means this one:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=35237

Indeed, hint away! Christmas is around the corner

Oh that is amazing! Are Luke and Vader attached to the base?

I will take hintng to a whole new level.

I personally wasnt as amazed by Vader as most of the fans when i saw the OT, and i must say i never liked him because of the bad things he did, so that's why i can relate when you say you didnt like Anakin... although i think the right term for me is sympathize instead of liking... I was never going to agree with his actions because he always had the choice in his decisions, so the way i see it maybe Lucas' purpose wasnt to make him likeable, but to show how a powerful person with a promising future who can have the best intentions (an in fact thinks he's doing the right thing) can make serious mistakes that affect those around him and himself screwing it all up. Maybe most were expecting him to be a wholesome fella who went down the dark path as the journey progressed. But Anakin was a flawed character from the start, in my opinion, with very serious emotional issues (from growing up a slave to not really having a father figure), and i think that caught most of us by surprise.

I think Anakin is a complex individual (more so than i originally envisioned), and although Hayden gets a lot of badmouthing, i think he portrayed the subtle complexities of the character very well. Yeah the delivery of some lines made me , but then again i see this in some OT moments as well so it isnt just Hayden guilty of this.

I hope this makes sense because i'm at work and i feel like i'm rambling on

Lord: dont be ashamed of that

Great post Bim.

@ the bolded part, reminds me of that famous Harrison Ford quote.

 

[CelticPredator]

Still. Atleast the characters were likable. So even with some shoddy lines, you can forgive them.

Hell, almost everything Leia says in ANH is cringe worthy, with that horrible accent she throws on.

However, her character is sassy, and smart, which made her incredibly cool.

Anakin is just a *****e. I never liked him. I only started to like him when he began slaughtering children, because he was atleast a horrible villian. But man...was he whiny, and unlikable. Especially that Mustafar scene.

 

[Golgo-13]

If we ever got another onscreen adaption of Anakin Skywalker, say in like a Jango Fett or Clone Wars movie, I'd cast Chris Hemsworth. To me that's what Anakin is like.

I think John Rhys Meyers (king Henry from the Tudors) would have been the perfect Anakin. It was rumored he was one of the finalists for the part ......before he was beat out by Hayden.

 

[Cousin Itt]

Damn, these changes keep getting more and more ridiculous. Lucas either enjoys messing with the fans or really has nothing better to do these days.

It saddens me that me that the original movies are being left to rot... I grew up with these movies, I freaking love them, and hoped to show them to my children one day.

 

[CelticPredator]

If Lucas is dead and gone, and isnt writing the script, anyone would be a good Anakin.


And while most of the blame is on Lucas for that horrible character...you can't say Hayden "did the best he could" because every movie i've seen he's utterly terrible, and ALWAYS unlikable.

See Jumper, or Shattered Glass...whatever it's called. Blah.

 

[Lord]

Still. Atleast the characters were likable. So even with some shoddy lines, you can forgive them.

Hell, almost everything Leia says in ANH is cringe worthy, with that horrible accent she throws on.

However, her character is sassy, and smart, which made her incredibly cool.

Anakin is just a *****e. I never liked him. I only started to like him when he began slaughtering children, because he was atleast a horrible villian. But man...was he whiny, and unlikable. Especially that Mustafar scene.

 

[CelticPredator]

He probably went crazy from watching those lame ponies too much.