Star Wars - Part 9

[Hunter Rider]

Obi Wan starts the movie looking for spare parts on Tatooine after an aerial battle, he meets Anakin, does the Qui Gon thing, PodRace happens and we cut to The Jedi council scene, then to "10 years later" and Anakin and Obi Wan in the lift going to meet Senator Padme, one line of dialogue establishes they know her and Anakin has a thing for her, the first scene of them together shows she feels the same and we eliminate the weird loving her since he was 10 thing.

The rest of the movie is ATOC which is my second favourite movie in the saga, only with an actual threat (Maul) hunting Padme at the retreat on Naboo amid the romance stuff as Anakin tries to balance his duty as her bodyguard with his growing feelings for her.

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That's how I'd have done the first prequel. The middle movie would actually be split into two like with the last Potter flick, and cover the Clone Wars and subsequent bond between Obi Wan and Anakin. I'd leave ROTS as it is.

 

[CConn]

I'd rather just skip over finding Anakin all together, but that could work too.

 

[danoyse]

Because it was more important to show Anakin as a 9yo.

It is kind of bittersweet for me. I actually like TPM more than any or the prequels, largely due to Neeson, but...the trilogy would've been much better served if it started with AOTC.

And Y'know, if AOTC was good.

Again, I didn't mind seeing Anakin as a 9-year-old. I found little Anakin a far more likeable character than big Anakin ever really was. Little Anakin was a good, smart, resourceful boy who wanted nothing more than to help people. Big Anakin spent two movies complaining about how the universe was unfair to him.

Though I would have preferred to see TPM transition to the older Anakin, or just limit the younger Anakin to flashbacks.

But I loved that character in TPM. That was the person Luke needed to save in ROTJ.

Was Jake Lloyd a great actor? No. But he brought such a sweet little innocence to that character (and if you've ever had a conversation about Star Wars with an 8-year-old, that is exactly how they sound), and I loved that about his performance.

 

[Mace Dolex]

There's a scene in Revenge of the Sith when Obi-Wan and Anakin are laser-sword-fighting on the hell-planet when Obi-Wan, clearly feeling hurt and betrayed, yells out, "You were supposed to be the chosen one!" And we, as the audience, feel nothing. The ultimate divorce between Obi-Wan and Anakin carried no emotional weight. The only evidence of their friendship was when Anakin said something along the lines of "You know, Obi-Wan, you've always been a good friend to me," at some point in Episode III, about 30 minutes before they fight each other. That's the only glimpse of friendship we get. When a character flat out tells the audience, "No, we're very good friends, trust me."

Sorry had to trim your response but this is exactly my point about the prequels, that duel between Obi Wan and Anakin had no real resonance to me, it was just the next phase into Anakin's turn to the darkside that the audience by this point just wants it to be over show him as Darth Vader and end the film.

Making Anakin a kid in TPM was the problem, they should've had Hayden already in that way we as an audience can feel sorry for him in ROTS.

did you get those 3d glasses in the same theater? does the theater support real3d?

Yes it was the same theater even, the glasses are the type that look like driving sunglasses, I never saw Avatar in 3D so I don't know if those were any different.

 

[danoyse]

Obi Wan starts the movie looking for spare parts on Tatooine after an aerial battle, he meets Anakin, does the Qui Gon thing, PodRace happens and we cut to The Jedi council scene, then to "10 years later" and Anakin and Obi Wan in the lift going to meet Senator Padme, one line of dialogue establishes they know her and Anakin has a thing for her, the first scene of them together shows she feels the same and we eliminate the weird loving her since he was 10 thing.

The rest of the movie is ATOC which is my second favourite movie in the saga, only with an actual threat (Maul) hunting Padme at the retreat on Naboo amid the romance stuff as Anakin tries to balance his duty as her bodyguard with his growing feelings for her.

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That's how I'd have done the first prequel. The middle movie would actually be split into two like with the last Potter flick, and cover the Clone Wars and subsequent bond between Obi Wan and Anakin. I'd leave ROTS as it is.

Love the idea of Maul being the one after Padme in AOTC. That is awesome.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[craigdbfan]

Dane Dehaan who played Andrew in Chronicle would have been such a great grown up Anakin.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I feel like an idiot, but why is Obi Wan in bounty hunter garb? I've missed so many episodes due to work. Is there a simple explanation or should I just research it?

He's undercover infiltrating a crew of bounty hunters who are working for Dooku on a plot to kidnap Palpatine.

Love the idea of Maul being the one after Padme in AOTC. That is awesome.

He's too awesome to leave out, so I had to work him in as my idea basically cuts the Duel of the Fates.

 

[CConn]

I found little Anakin a far more likeable character than big Anakin ever really was. Little Anakin was a good, smart, resourceful boy who wanted nothing more than to help people. Big Anakin spent two movies complaining about how the universe was unfair to him.

And that's the problem right there.

Child Anakin shouldn't have been anymore likable than his adult version. Adult Anakin should've been characterized as a good, smart, and resourceful man. If they did that, there really wouldn't have been any need to see Anakin as a child.

I always say, Anakin should've been characterized like Harvey Dent in TDK; a very mature, admirable, wholly good man who, due to unfortunate circumstances, has his humanity and goodness stripped away. Make him evil, but make his transition to evil a relatable one. I felt bad when he fell, I felt even worse when he died...because he was respectful, both as a hero and as a villain.

Instead of that, Lucas never really portrayed Anakin as anything more than a selfish, whiny child who cost himself everything he loved.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm liking all these prequel ideas you guys are tossing around. It's a shame they'll never come to be. Oh well.

 

[Marx]

There are soo many great ideas in here!

 

[8wid]

If you rebooted the prequels, who would your new list of characters to be?

Mine is going back to the original of the scripts that Lucas wrote in the 80s called Fall of the Republic.

General Ben "Obi-Wan" Kenobi - forty-five year old general whose abilities in the Force make him the youngest official of the Republic to be in that rank during the Clone Wars. His army defends the system of Alderaan. "Obi-Wan" in some alien language is a nickname meaning "bold one."

King Bail Organa - Supreme ruler of Alderaan who is a good friend of General Kenobi and presides as guardian of the all-powerful Kaibur crystal which he locks away in his palace. Due to his planet's peaceful nature he had been given permission by the Republic to watch over it.

Commander Anakin Skywalker - twenty-five year old peasant farmer from Tatooine who seeks to avenge the deaths of his parents killed in the Clone Wars on his former green agricultural homeworld. After disagreeing with his brother Owen over learning to become a farmer as is tradition, he runsaway to join the Galactic Star Fleet and to fight for the Republic. Having saved Alderaan from an attempted raid of the Kaibur crystal by the Mandolorians, he is recognized for it and becomes the Force apprentice of General Kenobi. After trying to steal a Kaibur crystal during a mission to a volcanic moon, he is accidentally knocked into a molten pit by his master Obi-Wan and scarred alive. Republic black ops come to rescue the body and through a secret operation makes him into a cyborg mecenary with the covert name of Darth Vader.

Lady Arcadia Skywalker - Twenty year old wife of Commander Skywalker who serves as the Senator of Alderaan in the Galactic Senate. She is also the only one to know the location of the second secret Kaibur crystal on the volcanic planet. Mother of Luke and Leia Skywalker who dies in hiding on Alderaan after being exposed to deadly radiation during an Imperial raid to wipe out the Jedi Knights. Leia remembers her vaguely until the age of three when she dies of cancer.

General Kruul - a top general of the Mandolorian war fleet fighting against the Republic during the Clone Wars. He oversaw the first secret Mandolorian cloning facility destroyed by Commander Skywalker and General Kenobi on their first mission together and attempts several times to steal the Kaibur crystal of Alderan and it as well on the volcanic planet to where it is moved to after his first attempt. He is the arch-nemesis of both the Jedi.

C-3PO reappears as Lady Skywalker's protocol droids and R2-D2 as the automated mechanic and pilot of his own X-Wing during the Clone Wars.

 

[Joker's Lackey]

Where are these from?

 

[danoyse]

And that's the problem right there.

Child Anakin shouldn't have been anymore likable than his adult version. Adult Anakin should've been characterized as a good, smart, and resourceful man. If they did that, there really wouldn't have been any need to see Anakin as a child.

I always say, Anakin should've been characterized like Harvey Dent in TDK; a very mature, admirable, wholly good man who, due to unfortunate circumstances, has his humanity and goodness stripped away. Make him evil, but make his transition to evil a relatable one. I felt bad when he fell, I felt even worse when he died...because he was respectful, both as a hero and as a villain.

Instead of that, Lucas never really portrayed Anakin as anything more than a selfish, whiny child who cost himself everything he loved.

Exactly. When Obi-Wan describes in ANH, he describes him not only as "the best starpilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior", but also as a good friend.

That was so missing from the prequels. The age difference didn't help. If they were going to show Anakin as a young boy, we should have seen a younger Obi-Wan around the same time too. Even have them grow up together. But keep them roughly around the same age.

In AOTC, he keeps referring to Obi-Wan as being like his father. Nooo! They should be like brothers.

There are moments I love with the older Anakin, when he reminds me of his younger self. In the garage after his mother dies, when he said he was always good at fixing things, obviously devastated that this was something he couldn't fix. And I loved his reaction when he learned Padme was pregnant.

There weren't enough 'human' moment with the older Anakin to make him someone to sympathize with. It's like they forgot about this kid:

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[Marvolo]

I wanted Padme trying to protect her kids, too. Not this 'dying of a broken heart' nonsense. I wanted her to dying in a blaze of glory, defying the Empire and fighting to defend her children.

I wanted that scene where Leia remembers her mother and tells Luke about her in ROTJ to actually mean something more, because we would have seen what she had done to protect them.

Maybe Qui-Gon could have been the dissenting voice on the Jedi Council, instead the rebel they wouldn't allow on the council.

I wanted to see Padme captured and dragged before Darth Vader, and having him send her to be put to death or something like that. That would have been tragic.

 

[Rockstar]

Agreed Llama_Shepherd, Also IMO Hayden Christensen was not that bad as Anakin Skywalker either.

He was horrible.

 

[OptimusPrime114]

If the prequels were rebooted, I want to see:

-Anakin Skywalker rescuing Padme Amidala, who was captured by Ziro the Hutt (in league with the Separatists) by winning the Boonta Eve Classic podrace on Tatooine. (Note: This was inspired by how Revan freed Bastila in KOTOR 1.)

-Anakin being a young adult and Padme being Queen of Naboo throughout all three acts.

-Characters from the Clone Wars cartoons (both '03 and '08).

-Korriban used as Sith HQ.

-Padme being killed protecting her family from either the Sith or the Clones.

-Jar Jar Binks re-imagined as a warrior-turned-smuggler, who was banished because he opposed the Gungans' negative views towards the Naboo. Bera Kazan (from the '03 Clone Wars game) is his partner-in-smuggling.

-Anakin Skywalker, a Jedi worthy of the moniker "The Hero with No Fear", was led into a Sith trap, where he was tortured and manipulated by Darth Sidious, converting him into the Sith Lord Darth Vader. He still fought Obi-Wan on Mustafar, where he was defeated and seriously injured, leading him to be wearing the famous dark armor.

-Luke and Leia born in the beginning of the third act.

-Aliens from the EU, like the Selkath, Chiss, Bothans or Nohgri.

-A reference to the Yuuzhan Vong.

-The Clone Wars as the backdrop for all three acts.

-Darth Maul, Count Dooku and Darth Sidious as an unholy trinity of Sith Lords, with Savage Opress and Asajj Ventress serving as Sith assassins.

-The Dark Reaper (also from the '03 Clone Wars game) being used as the Separatists' superweapon in the first act. After its destruction at the Battle of Naboo, the Death Star designs are seen as a "replacement".

-Ahsoka "Snips" Tano as Anakin's Jedi apprentice in the second and third acts. After learning of her master's conversion to the Dark Side, she tries to reason with him, but ends up fighting her master. She eventually escapes, going into hiding with her boyfriend Lux Bonteri.

-Bounty Hunters, like Jango Fett, Aurra Sing, Cad Bane and Durge employed by the Separatists to carry out some mission.

Anybody got any ideas for the Fetts?

 

[CConn]

...no.

 

[roach]

....um....yeeeaaah

 

[OptimusPrime114]

Oh, well. I tried.

 

[roach]

nice try but it came off like a fanfic...too much thrown in...too much EU stuff
why reference the Vong if they don't show up til the book series and no one has ever seen them before?

 

[Speedball]

Here's the gist of mine:

Episode 1: the Phantom Menace
Obi-wan is the master, Qui-gon is the apprentice.
It's the Mandalorians blockading Naboo, in fact they're the main enemy force of the PT, they eventually begin cloning themselves with the help of Sidious.
It's Swoop Bikes, not Pod-racers.
Anakin is a 16 year old slave orphan.
Mace Windu and Republic troops help free Naboo.
Maul Escapes, no one dies, and Anakin pilots the Jedi ship in a much more epic space battle with Republic Forces.
Mace Windu kills Jango Fett, and causes the Mandalorian retreat.
No Jar Jar, no need since the Jedi land in Naboo City in the beginning.
Padme owns C-3PO, and Qui-gon and Obi-wan own R2, who takes care of their ship.
Qui-gon takes the trials after this movie, and Obi-wan takes Anakin as his apprentice.

Episode 2: Attack of the Clones
Anakin and Padme are married, and the whole forbidden romance is gone. Instead there's a triangle between Qui-gon, Padme and Anakin.
Anakin is still an Apprentice.
Palpatine tells Anakin that his pregnant wife is cheating on him (which she isn't, Qui-gon loves Padme, but she loves Anakin.)
Anakin duels Maul with Palpatine watching, all while the Clone Army is attacking the Jedi and Coruscant.
Anakin kills Maul, goes to the under-siege temple, duels and kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan escapes the temple after seeing the duel and after Anakin tells him that he's going after Padme next.
Mace Windu is chased thru the skyways of Coruscant by Boba Fett, and is killed.
Obi-wan evacuates Padme, who is pregnant but not showing yet, from Coruscant while Anakin is chasing them through the spaceport, using the force to pull stuff from the walls. Anakin almost pulls the ship they're on down, but regains his senses.
He goes to Palpatine, is named Darth Vader and the film ends with Vader taking his seat next to Sidious.

I'm still working on Episode III.

 

[craigdbfan]

I like a good deal of that. Especially your ideas for Episode I.

 

[CConn]

Eh, I'd prefer the forbidden love thing over a triangle.

Triangles always make at least one character look like a ****.