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Starz Black Sails

Uh, don't remind me of "Penny Dreadful's" (constantly denied) cancellation.

Anyway, after seeing episode nine, AC/DC's "All Screwed Up" came to mind. We all knew that pirates will lose, but it is still frustrating to see them come close to the victory several times, for all of it to go to hell in the end.
 
Damn. Just Damn. They really are making this a bleak end, ain't they? At least if feels at it's own pace, not that flailing arm spastic sprint that was the last 4 episodes on Penny Dreadful. That still hurts. Not happening here.
 
Penny Dreadful was cancelled. Black Sails was meant to be 3-5 seasons. As with all Starz shows.
 
PD needed one more episode and [blackout]Ethan to kill Vanessa in his werewolf form[/blackout] in order to have a solid finish.

I still feel like there are too many plot points to resolve in a single episode, even if it is supersized. I hope we get some epilogue showing us what happens to the characters in between the finale and the beginning of TI.
 
Holy heck I can't believe how they took out [BLACKOUT]De Groot[/BLACKOUT]! No ceremony there, just the ol' pop n' sink. Blub blub blub.
 
Well, they wrapped it all rather well. It's kinda all of a sudden that
Thomas is alive and it seems a bit of a stretch for the place to be unknown until it was crucial, but I liked it that Flint found peace in the end and that Silver didn't need to kill him. By the way, I loved the parallel with the first episode when Silver was first introduced to us, asking the cook if he is a coward. And they introduced Mary Read in the end, though oddly she seems to be younger than Anne Bonnie... anyway, Rackham has few years of pirating before he hits the gallows, though historically, it should have happened before Rogers' defeat and humiliation.

In any case, despite some of its flaws, like historical inaccuracies and wrong depiction of speed of traveling by those ships, I enjoyed the show immensely and this episode seemed like a fitting end to its story.
 
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I don't count the historical inaccuracies as flaws, because they were intentional. The folks behind the show obviously know their history very well. Not unlike Hitler's death in Inglorious Basterds.

The thing that surprised me most about the finale was...

...how much of a happy ending it we got. Silver and Flint both end up with their loves, the folks in Nassau all got cushy jobs, Rackham and Anne keep on getting to sail the seas and Woods Rogers gets a fate worse than death. I'm especially surprised they let Flint not only live, but basically get rewarded.

None of that is a complaint though, I'm really happy all those lovable characters ended up on top. It was unexpected, true to the show's nature.

As with any show I've loved it's bittersweet to Black Sails end. A solid four seasons of brilliant, unique TV. I doubt we'll see it's like again for a long time.
 
A fool's hope, but it would be great if Starz eventually did a Treasure Island mini-series at some point in the near future. The finale really made me appreciate the characters of Long John Silver and Billy Bones all the more.
 
Wasn't how I expected things to end, but I liked it.
 
I would love to see the writers' take on Treasure Island. I need to know what gets Silver back into being a pirate. How does Billy get off the island? Why was Ben Gunn left behind?

I was pleasantly surprised that both Rackham and Madi survived. I thought Madi was a goner during the battle. And Featherstone became governor!

My only regret is that we never met Pew. He was a creepy character in the novel.
 
I don't count the historical inaccuracies as flaws, because they were intentional. The folks behind the show obviously know their history very well. Not unlike Hitler's death in Inglorious Basterds.

The thing that surprised me most about the finale was...

...how much of a happy ending it we got. Silver and Flint both end up with their loves, the folks in Nassau all got cushy jobs, Rackham and Anne keep on getting to sail the seas and Woods Rogers gets a fate worse than death. I'm especially surprised they let Flint not only live, but basically get rewarded.

None of that is a complaint though, I'm really happy all those lovable characters ended up on top. It was unexpected, true to the show's nature.

As with any show I've loved it's bittersweet to Black Sails end. A solid four seasons of brilliant, unique TV. I doubt we'll see it's like again for a long time.

It's been speculated on other boards that Flint was actually killed by Silver and that story he told Madi was just a lie. It would make sense. Remember some sound in the jungle caused birds to fly off and Ben Gunn et al to turn their heads. I think that was Silver killing Flint. That would explain why Silver never dug up the treasure since Flint would not have told him where it was.
 
Question : was Flint dead by the time of the story of treasure island ?
 
Question : was Flint dead by the time of the story of treasure island ?

Yes, he was. I don't understand how can the ending shown here lead to the events of Treasure Island. It's like the writers decided to completely ignore the established book canon.
 
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It is kinda odd... I would understand if they lied that he was dead instead of being retired and that's what everyone believed in. This way, it still leaves Flint's story unfinished and doesn't tie in with "Treasure Island" well. With that being said, while they certainly presented it as a possible lie in the show, I don't think for one second that Silver killed him. Even after everything, I don't believe Silver had it in him in that moment, besides that story about a plantation was briefly introduced few episodes before and it has to play an actual part, as it is basically a Chekhov's gun. Also, I don't think he would lie to Madi about that... we haven't seen scheming Silver since second season and their relationship appears as mostly honest one.
 
Yes, he was. I don't understand how can the ending shown here lead to the events of Treasure Island. It's like the writers decided to completely ignore the established book canon.

I assumed that the ending presented by the show is supposed to indicate that the story we heard in Treasure Island wasn't truthful. I believe the showrunners recently said that they wrote it in a way that could lead to an alternative view that there was more going on with Billy Bones than is originally suggested in the novel, especially in regards to Flint's fate.
 
The death of Captain Flint described in the book doesn't necessarily negate the events that (may of may not have) happened in the show. If Silver's story about the farm was true, there's no reason to suggest Flint didn't later leave for some reason and go on to die in Savannah of alcohol poisoning.

It's been speculated on other boards that Flint was actually killed by Silver and that story he told Madi was just a lie. It would make sense. Remember some sound in the jungle caused birds to fly off and Ben Gunn et al to turn their heads. I think that was Silver killing Flint. That would explain why Silver never dug up the treasure since Flint would not have told him where it was.

A friend of mine also suggested Flint's ending was rather ambiguous, which I do agree with. I like to think Silver's story was true, but there's certainly points to suggest it wasn't (the birds) and points to suggest it was (sending someone to the farm to make inquiries). In the end, unless the show-runners state one way or the other, which I hope they don't, Flint's fate remains either a mystery, or is decided by each individual viewer's preference.

I wonder if anyone thought the overall ending was too happy? I liked seeing everyone land on their feet because it was the most unexpected way the show could have gone, but it's pretty rare for a drama these days. Certainly rare for a series that got as dark as Black Sails did at times.
 
Yeah, I get what you mean... it did feel "too happy" in a way, it wasn't really in line with the rest of the show.

The fact that I knew Jack would have to be hanged soon after sailing away with Read and Bonnie (even though he should have been dead already) and that Rogers got a second term as a governor of Nassau, kinda helped me to find a somewhat bittersweet tone in the end, rather than a purely sweet one.
 
Great ending. I especially loved the Flint vs Billy fight at the top of the ship.
 
The death of Captain Flint described in the book doesn't necessarily negate the events that (may of may not have) happened in the show. If Silver's story about the farm was true, there's no reason to suggest Flint didn't later leave for some reason and go on to die in Savannah of alcohol poisoning.



A friend of mine also suggested Flint's ending was rather ambiguous, which I do agree with. I like to think Silver's story was true, but there's certainly points to suggest it wasn't (the birds) and points to suggest it was (sending someone to the farm to make inquiries). In the end, unless the show-runners state one way or the other, which I hope they don't, Flint's fate remains either a mystery, or is decided by each individual viewer's preference.

I wonder if anyone thought the overall ending was too happy? I liked seeing everyone land on their feet because it was the most unexpected way the show could have gone, but it's pretty rare for a drama these days. Certainly rare for a series that got as dark as Black Sails did at times.

There are too many differences between the characters and events shown in Black Sails and the characters and events in Treasure Island.

1. In Treasure Island Israel Hands served as a gunner on the Walrus. In Black Sails he doesn't even touch a cannon.

2. In Treasure Island John Silver was already a pirate before he joined Flint's crew, originally serving under Edward England. In Black Sails he's a merchant sailor.

3. In Treasure Island John Silver's leg was shattered by a cannonball. In Black Sails the leg was smashed by Jenks.

4. In Treasure Island Flint's treasure was so big (silver bars, gold coins, arms) it had to be divided into three piles and buried separately on three different locations on the island. In Black Sails we have one chest of jewels.

5. In Treasure Island the treasure was buried by Flint and six pirates. It took them one week to bury it all. When the treasure was buried, Flint killed them and buried the corpses, except one of them, Allardyce, whom he left unburied with his arms outstretched to serve as a pointer toward the main bulk of the treasure. The whole time Billy Bones and John Silver were on the Walrus and when Flint returned the Walrus sailed away to hunt for even more treasure. In Black Sails in one day the chest was buried, Silver was on the island trying to kill Flint, and the Walrus was destroyed.

6. In Treasure Island Flint draws the treasure map. There is no map in Black Sails.

7. In Treasure Island Flint dies as a pirate from too much rum. Before he dies he gives the treasure map to Billy Bones, his loyal first mate. In Black Sails, Flint willingly goes to a prison (I don't care if it looks like a plantation, it's still a prison) and Billy is Flint's quartermaster who gets demoted and eventually becomes Flint's mortal enemy, ending up stranded on Skeleton Island.

8. In Treasure Island John Silver is a pirate through and through. The only goal in his life is to get his hands on Flint's treasure. In Black Sails he becomes a peace-loving philosopher who doesn't care about the money at all.
 
Yeah, I get what you mean... it did feel "too happy" in a way, it wasn't really in line with the rest of the show.

The fact that I knew Jack would have to be hanged soon after sailing away with Read and Bonnie (even though he should have been dead already) and that Rogers got a second term as a governor of Nassau, kinda helped me to find a somewhat bittersweet tone in the end, rather than a purely sweet one.

Again, that depends on whether or not you believe Silver's story. It's possible that Flint is dead and Madi got back with Silver based on a lie, so the ending may already be a bit darker than you think.
 
Again, that depends on whether or not you believe Silver's story. It's possible that Flint is dead and Madi got back with Silver based on a lie, so the ending may already be a bit darker than you think.

Yeah, but I already said in previous post why I don't think Silver lied.

And even if you're absolutely convinced that he did and that Flint is dead while watching the ending, you're still being delivered scenes with a happy tone to them, so that vibe remains to extent, despite what you believe.
 

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