State Your Opinion on A Character

[BLACKVULCAN]

^ BWAHAHAHHAHAHA..... only if its Katma Tui!

you are killin me "oh great welder of the dead sea scolls" Anubis!

 

[Anubis]

The fact is, Wonder Woman is the part of the Trinity because she is the third most well known character in the DC stable.

Nobody knows who Green Lantern is. That movie bombed like Normandy. He had a shot, but they f**ked it up with a s**ty movie.

So, that's the why. The problem with Wonder Woman is, and always will be that nobody has been able to write her with any kind of consistency. Every time you get a new writer, they want to reinvent her. The best she's been written as far as I'm concerned was by Greg Rucka. She was just awesome under his pen. And even that was far removed from what she was originally written to be.


Looking at how they took Batman back to his roots and now Superman, maybe that's what needs to be done with WW. Take her back to the bondage stuff. Remove the idea that Amazon's are these warrior women all tied up in the mythology, and take them back to the idea that they are a peaceful, technologically advanced society. While I love her being tied to the Greek Gods and mythology and stuff, maybe it's time to move away from that a bit. It's awesome and all but clearly it hasn't been working.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Looking at how they took Batman back to his roots and now Superman, maybe that's what needs to be done with WW. Take her back to the bondage stuff. Remove the idea that Amazon's are these warrior women all tied up in the mythology, and take them back to the idea that they are a peaceful, technologically advanced society. While I love her being tied to the Greek Gods and mythology and stuff, maybe it's time to move away from that a bit. It's awesome and all but clearly it hasn't been working.

are you using subliminal influencing?... because if you are. IT's WORKING!I fully support your campaign of dictatorship! I have always love that aspect of her!..... seriously though WW is an outstanding character. just as Supes was the template for most superheroes WW was for the heroine. I love her. it pains me that both her and supes have a lousy assortment of rogues( well supes has Zod!) but if she got some good writers gave her some good antagonists. she would be awesome as i know she is. you don't tug on superman cape and you dont tug on WW 's uhh tiara?! or is that breast plate!

 

[Anubis]

They both have great antagonists. Circe, Dr. Psycho, Ares. Metallo, Brainiac, Parasite. Great characters. Great villains. It's just that not every writer knows the best way to use them. Which could be said for the characters themselves. No bad characters, just bad writers. You get a long enough string of sub par writers doing anything for a decent amount of time, well, it effects public opinion. Then all of a sudden somebody comes along, does something simple, and BOOM. Awesome. Happened with Johns and the Flashes Rogues. Could happen to anybody.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

i will give you Ares and Circe, Dr. psycho ( i am not to keen on),but the others Silver Swan, Cheetah.they suck( Ok i like Giganta!)behind ever great hero is a great bad guy. who has WW got? Cheetah! " ooooh she's gonna scratch me! Look out!" She sucks. .. or rather the writers who writes her suck! Baby girl needs a magnificent Super-Villain worthy of her awesome ass! ( pun intended!( She needs her mirror opposite! like joker or Zoom) i do agree you cant take a lameo and make them great. case in point "Catman"( that dude use to suck for years!). I think WW is great! but for me it was in Superman's book her defining moment came! "for the man who has everything"... or she could just get tied up. i am cool with that!

 

[The Question]

Looking at how they took Batman back to his roots and now Superman, maybe that's what needs to be done with WW. Take her back to the bondage stuff. Remove the idea that Amazon's are these warrior women all tied up in the mythology, and take them back to the idea that they are a peaceful, technologically advanced society. While I love her being tied to the Greek Gods and mythology and stuff, maybe it's time to move away from that a bit. It's awesome and all but clearly it hasn't been working.

Well, Greek Mythology was always a big part of Wonder Woman, Ares was the first villain she faced in the Golden Age and Athena was basically her spirit guide throughout the 40s.

Honestly, I think if anything Rucka did bring focus back to some of the more basic elements of Wonder Woman. He made Ares and Athena the main players in the book as far as the gods were concerned, and while he never took away the warrior aspects of the Amazons he als made their impact on the world at large be in terms of culture and science instead of military might. He also completely removed any need Diana might have with a secret identity, which was never something her creator wanted in the first place and was an editorial mandate.

Really, the only thing he didn't bring major focus to was the implied bpndage and bisexuality. And the implication I got from interviews is that he would have liked to but would never have been able to get away with it.

Which is a shame. It would be nice for one of the big three to be in a commited non-heterosexual relationship, and I think it would be good to show a well developed and well frounded female character like Diana having an active and unconventional sex life, and present that as something good and healthy and nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be down with Wonder Woman as a bisexual, or even a full-on lesbian. It kind of makes sense for the culture in which she was raised. Sure, the Amazons knew about men, but they were never permitted to set foot on Paradise Island. Clearly, the implication is that Amazons must've found companionship, both sexual and otherwise, with other Amazons. That Diana hasn't had any desire for women in decades is actually a lot more weird than the opposite.

 

[The Question]

I'd be down with Wonder Woman as a bisexual, or even a full-on lesbian. It kind of makes sense for the culture in which she was raised. Sure, the Amazons knew about men, but they were never permitted to set foot on Paradise Island. Clearly, the implication is that Amazons must've found companionship, both sexual and otherwise, with other Amazons. That Diana hasn't had any desire for women in decades is actually a lot more weird than the opposite.

Honestly, I'd think it would be appropriate if she had a classical Helenic/Roman view on sexuality: There's no real distinction between heterosexuality or homosexuality, most people swing both ways and having a preference for one over the other is essentially like having a favorite flavor of ice cream, and the cultural equivalent to sexual orientation is wether or not you enjoy being the dominant or the submissive during sex. Albeit without the ancient Greek and Roman stigma against overt female sexuality for obvious reasons.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sounds much like Captain Jack's "omnisexuality" from Doctor Who and Torchwood. Although presumably less pornographic in Wonder Woman's case.

 

[The Question]

Sounds much like Captain Jack's "omnisexuality" from Doctor Who and Torchwood. Although presumably less pornographic in Wonder Woman's case.

I think a realistically sexualized Wonder Woman would be a bit of a prude by ancient Greek and Roman standards.

Of course, to put that in perspective, Sean Connery is a bit of a prude by ancient Greek and Roman standards.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, they were pervs back in those days. Reminds me of all the jokes about pederasty in Incredible Hercules.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, they were pervs back in those days. Reminds me of all the jokes about pederasty in Incredible Hercules.

Yeah, that's another thing. Marvel's main Greek Myth hero is openly bi. C'mon DC, step it up a notch.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, she's supposed to have been based on the chick that Marston and his wife were involved with. Don't know why she's not in a 3-way relationship with Etta Candy and Steve Trevor. Lack of testicular fortitude by the folks in charge I guess. It's okay to write their comic book women being raped or chopped up and tossed into refrigerators, but showing a possible unconventional relationship is a no no.

Whatevs.

Martian Manhunter

 

[SuperFerret]

Loves me some Martian Manhunter. Quite possibly my favorite fictional character ever.

 

[Anubis]

A great summation of the character came from Patton Oswalt's JLA one shot "Welcome to the Working Week" He said The Manhunter was like, Socrates' brain on the body of a linebacker. If Superman is Elvis, then the Manhunter is Dillon. When you're a kid, you're all about he spit curl, but when you get older it's all about the Brow. Or something like that. (That was a very good one shot by the way. I suggest you guys check it out if you haven't.)

It's just such a damn shame he's not in the League now. (Or he will be but wont or whatever boos**t.)

 

[The Question]

A great summation of the character came from Patton Oswalt's JLA one shot "Welcome to the Working Week" He said The Manhunter was like, Socrates' brain on the body of a linebacker. If Superman is Elvis, then the Manhunter is Dillon. When you're a kid, you're all about he spit curl, but when you get older it's all about the Brow. Or something like that. (That was a very good one shot by the way. I suggest you guys check it out if you haven't.)

It's just such a damn shame he's not in the League now. (Or he will be but wont or whatever boos**t.)

Martian Manhunter is the Justice League. He holds them together when outside forces and internal pressures threaten to tear them apart. He's the one who molds them out of a random selection of eccentrics with hero complexes and clashing personalities into an organization with the potential to better the world. And in in a way, he has no life outside the League. He devotes his life to the institution, and has no supporting cast of his own. The League is his supporting cast. Any version without him as a founder is weaker for it. There's a reason they made him the one to bring them together in the cartoon.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree with pretty much everything the Question said. That nonsense about his going to the League when he wants to be a hero and Stormwatch when he wants to be a warrior made me a little bit ill.

 

[The Question]

I agree with pretty much everything the Question said. That nonsense about his going to the League when he wants to be a hero and Stormwatch when he wants to be a warrior made me a little bit ill.

What does that even mean?

 

[Anubis]

He gets to punch through peoples heads with Stormwatch and with the JLA? Not so much.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's basically how I interpreted it. Granted, it's a bit early to say that for sure, since he didn't do anything overtly terrible in Stormwatch #1, but I have a feeling he's gonna be a bit grimmer and less restrained with Stormwatch, as opposed to the League. But we'll see. I'm still not especially convinced he'll even appear with the League too often, given that he hasn't shown up in anything related to the Justice League or JLI titles so far. Mentioning the League might just be a convenient way to shut those of us who prefer him as a Leaguer up without actually making him a member of the League in any practical way.

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm hoping that he'll leave Stormwatch after a while, and be the League fixture he should be, but my hopes are often dashed. Something like Stormwatch makes some kind of sense for J'onn early on in his stay on Earth, so I don't mind him there too much.

 

[Spike_x1]

I like Martian Manhunter. That is all.

 

[PaleRider]

I love MM, just one of the coolest characters in comics. As much as I don't fall for the death shtick in comics but when he was "killed' I was really bummed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm hoping that he'll leave Stormwatch after a while, and be the League fixture he should be, but my hopes are often dashed. Something like Stormwatch makes some kind of sense for J'onn early on in his stay on Earth, so I don't mind him there too much.

Stormwatch takes place in the present.

 

[SuperFerret]

I know.



I still like it though.