State Your Opinion on a Marvel Character

[SuperFerret]

But one good villain won't keep him afloat for very long. Even Daredevil has two or three.

 

[Anubis]

A Necromacer, a rogue family member, and....lots throw in a racist wizard. That should work.

 

[SuperFerret]

First off there's no real zombie definition in that way. They are defined by however that storyteller decides. They're an actual product of fiction not based on anything similar. Secondly I would say the only thing zombies have to be is undead. As such you could argue any possessed doll, animated corpse or displaced soul/demon in anything could fall under the category.

You're just seeing them in one way which is reinforced by most movies, but there are some ideas of "smart" zombies or other things. You take something like solomon grundy or digger which are most certainly somewhat intelligent, superpowered and zombies and you have some things already established. All I'm saying is when you have something that's pretty broad it's ok to play with the concept a bit. But you're probably just gonna give me something about how zombies have to be one thing and just be a buzz kill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie

The first zombies weren't dead, but they were essentially mindless and had no will of their own. "Intelligent zombies" are misnamed.

Or has Marvel been calling its fanbase undead for years?

 

[greenrage36]

didn't realize that the ol' Brother V was dead and buried either...which is a shame as I thought he had potential but just wasn't utilized very well in most of the stories he was in. (although I did check out a couple of the first books in his mini series and they were better than I expected them to be..)

Guess it doesn't matter now..psssh.....

 

[random_havoc]

So how'd Voodoo die and who's the sorcerer supreme now?

 

[random_havoc]

So how'd Voodoo die and who's the sorcerer supreme now?

 

[random_havoc]

So how'd Voodoo die and who's the sorcerer supreme now?

 

[Anubis]

He sacrificed himself to stop Agamoto from taking over this realm or something. Big explosion. Could still be alive but as it stands he's "dead".

And I guess Dr. Strange by Default.

 

[Anubis]

Donkey Punch.

Seriously, wtf Hype?

 

[moraldeficiency]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie

The first zombies weren't dead, but they were essentially mindless and had no will of their own. "Intelligent zombies" are misnamed.

Or has Marvel been calling its fanbase undead for years?

That is about Haitian zombies which aren't actual dead people. They were believed to be because of the living death state they were placed in but were actually just highly drugged.

All zombies in fiction that don't come from voodoo are actual offsprings from night of the living dead. Which is just a concept of how romero thought a zombie would be like.

Most marvel zombies actually do have a will of their own which ranges from primitive like the need to eat and survive to advanced which would actually be a reanimation with cognitive thought process.

I don't know if marvel would classify their fans as mindless creatures without will either.

But I do know that marvel is a fictional universe and as such can take a concept like a zombie or vampire and do what they want with it. In broadest terms their zombies in fiction are just reanimates. It's this concept that I think would be fun to play with so voodoo wouldn't just be fighting the same thing day in and out but each cultures take on what a zombie might be. Add in to that any spirits that got some animate forms and I could see that as being a very good "horror" comic that would be unlike something they've ever done before.

Look I was just stating what I thought would be a good use of the character and concept instead of the bland stuff they've actually done with him which is to confine him to the bayou and mostly forget about him.

Don't be such a zombie snob, lots of concepts like vampires or lycanthropes have been used in different ways to great success.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Nah, he's dead now.

The brotha gets to be the main man and gets killed like a month into the job.

I liked him. Shoulda known as soon as Bendis took an interest in him it would be the beginning of the end.

That sucks. I tried to give that Doctor Voodoo series a shot because Remender was writing it but they cancelled it pretty much before it got off the ground. Gotta love the faith Marvel puts into some of it's titles.

 

[runawayboulder]

Dr. Voodoo...? A big fat whatever for me.

 

[SuperFerret]

That is about Haitian zombies which aren't actual dead people. They were believed to be because of the living death state they were placed in but were actually just highly drugged.

All zombies in fiction that don't come from voodoo are actual offsprings from night of the living dead. Which is just a concept of how romero thought a zombie would be like.

Most marvel zombies actually do have a will of their own which ranges from primitive like the need to eat and survive to advanced which would actually be a reanimation with cognitive thought process.

I don't know if marvel would classify their fans as mindless creatures without will either.

But I do know that marvel is a fictional universe and as such can take a concept like a zombie or vampire and do what they want with it. In broadest terms their zombies in fiction are just reanimates. It's this concept that I think would be fun to play with so voodoo wouldn't just be fighting the same thing day in and out but each cultures take on what a zombie might be. Add in to that any spirits that got some animate forms and I could see that as being a very good "horror" comic that would be unlike something they've ever done before.

Look I was just stating what I thought would be a good use of the character and concept instead of the bland stuff they've actually done with him which is to confine him to the bayou and mostly forget about him.

Don't be such a zombie snob, lots of concepts like vampires or lycanthropes have been used in different ways to great success.

The Haitian zombie is the root of all zombie fiction, Marvel calling their fans "Marvel Zombies" IS alluding to their mindless fanaticism for the company, and I'm not a "zombie snob", I'm a "words mean certain things and those meanings should be referred to whenever using them" snob.

 

[Anubis]

That could simply be broken down to anal-retentive A-hole.

 

[moraldeficiency]

The Haitian zombie is the root of all zombie fiction, Marvel calling their fans "Marvel Zombies" IS alluding to their mindless fanaticism for the company, and I'm not a "zombie snob", I'm a "words mean certain things and those meanings should be referred to whenever using them" snob.

Here's something from your own wiki:

A new version of the zombie, distinct from that described in Haitian religion, has also emerged in popular culture in recent decades. This "zombie" is taken largely from George A. Romero's seminal film The Night of the Living Dead, which was in turn partly inspired by Richard Matheson's 1954 novel I Am Legend.[13] The word zombie is not used in Night of the Living Dead, but was applied later by fans.[14] The monsters in the film and its sequels, such as Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead, as well as its many inspired works, such as Return of the Living Dead and Zombi 2, are usually hungry for human flesh although Return of the Living Dead introduced the popular concept of zombies eating brains. Sometimes they are victims of a fictional pandemic illness causing the dead to reanimate or the living to behave this way, but often no cause is given in the story. Although this modern monster bears some superficial resemblance to the Haitian zombie tradition, its links to such folklore are unclear,[13] and many consider George A. Romero to be the progenitor of this creature.[15] Zombie fiction is now a sizeable sub-genre of horror, usually describing a breakdown of civilization occurring when most of the population become flesh-eating zombies — a zombie apocalypse.

Don't use something as a reference without actually reading all of it or people may actually call you on it.

Zombies don't have to be one thing. Not all zombies in fiction are living people put into a trance by drugs, as in like all zombies and zombie depictions in recent times.

Things change and progress or does gay just mean being happy to you and nothing else?

You're stuck with a definition that hasn't been used in forever. Also one that has changed and evolved. You're a snob, just someone that doesn't believe that things can progress in awesome ways snob.

Is that what marvel is saying? Cause I thought it was an inside joke thing and marvel wasn't actually saying their fans are mindless. I'd like to see a quote on this from a marvel executive saying their fans are brainless.

You're really on me for saying something I would like to see rather than the same old. Don't be that guy.

 

[SuperFerret]

Also, vampires and werewolves may have been used in many different ways and have been successful as such, but many of them suck as bad as alternate portrayals of zombies have. If anything, I'm a monster snob.

I'll be whatever guy I want to be. And you're missing the point with the wiki. Romero's zombies were undead, but the point of them was that they were thoughtless consumers. I don't accept cognizant undead as zombies.


How is "zombie = mindless" something that hasn't been used in forever? Any time someone is referred to as being "zombielike", it's because they're in some sort of stupor or mental haze, not because they're dead.

 

[moraldeficiency]

That could simply be broken down to anal-retentive A-hole.

Thank you. Why must my cheerios be pissed on?

 

[SuperFerret]

Thank you. Why must my cheerios be pissed on?

You placed your Cheerios in my urinal when you hit on a topic I feel strongly about while I'm around. It happens.

 

[moraldeficiency]

You placed your Cheerios in my urinal when you hit on a topic I feel strongly about while I'm around. It happens.

No, you're just hypersensative and wrong. Your own "definition" source showed that. Man up and let people say things they'd like to see done with a character in the "State Your Opinion on a Marvel Character" thread without having to get all hypersensative because I don't think of zombies as just a Haitian thing. Just go make your own "elitist thread for people that can't let anyone play with any concepts ever cause anything new must suck and since everything is based on something else then everything on earth must suck and life isn't worth living" thread and I promise I'll stay out of it and you can harp on the way things used to be till your little heart's content.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Also, vampires and werewolves may have been used in many different ways and have been successful as such, but many of them suck as bad as alternate portrayals of zombies have. If anything, I'm a monster snob.

I'll be whatever guy I want to be. And you're missing the point with the wiki. Romero's zombies were undead, but the point of them was that they were thoughtless consumers. I don't accept cognizant undead as zombies.


How is "zombie = mindless" something that hasn't been used in forever? Any time someone is referred to as being "zombielike", it's because they're in some sort of stupor or mental haze, not because they're dead.

Yes, everything not completely original and in that form must suck. Some new concepts based on old things are good and some aren't, but I'd rather see people try then just have your attitude.

No, you be the guy I want you to be. And you're missing the point. Which is you didn't read your own reference and now you're backpeddling. Romero's original work I always took as more a reference to racism and not consumerism as well as an original horror work (although in your eyes, it must have been so old hat).

Who cares what you accept? It's done, it's out there, it's already happened. In print, in comics, in movies. You not accepting something doesn't make it not exist. I've tried that tactic but that bieber kid hasn't faded from existence so it doesn't work.

(I wouldn't have commented on this, but then you had to add on a bunch of craziness so you roped me in)

 

[The Question]

SuperFerret: Words can have multiple definitions. Zombie means "someone who is mindless." It also means "undead." Both definitions are used very commonly and neither is more correct than the other.

moraldeficiency: Don't be an instigator.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I wasn't trying to instigate, dad, I was just stating what I'd like to see done with brother voodoo. If he just said, "that's a stupid idea" I wouldn't have bothered but I don't like some telling me I'm not allowed to perceive ideas except in the ways they insist.

I still think it's a good idea. Voodoo going around the world destroying some evil possessed dolls in japan killing children, then going to south america to fight some demonic entity possessing skeletons of aztec warriors massacring villages. Marvel needs some horror books. A superhero that specifically fights the undead giving souls piece. I would buy that book.

 

[runawayboulder]

See, this is why Brother Voodoo sucks. Look at all the s**t he caused.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

now! now! lets not argue about what constitutes a "zombie" especially living in Vegas! man! i see all kinds of those here!hehe

and talk about irony! when i thought about Voodoo i had no idea he was dead, but this dude... this dude i had planned all along for a posthumous memorial opinion of him! so instead of 1 black dude there's 2!! that wrong! Like "cannonball" or "marrow" couldnt have bite the dust. there aint enough black cats as there is!( Pours out Champagne for him on stage...hehe what you think Vulcan deals in cheap stuff) he was killed by the MAN!!! (Iron man that is) and His BLOND HOPE CLONE! MAY YOU COLLAR ALWAYS BE AS LARGE ARE YOU WERE!

GIANT MAN

or as i knew him best

See, this is why Brother Voodoo sucks. Look at all the s**t he caused.

BWAHAHAHA

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

oopsie! Drink rest of champagne... stupid site