Horror Stephen King's "IT" Part I and Part II

[samsnee]

Well no, maybe not exactly like the book but they could certainly make it very similar.

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Have Bill and Richie flying through space to the edge of the deadlights (and nearly being pulled in) for example. I wonder if they'll actually show the Turtle!

This could be totally and utterly cray. I hope they really go all out and make it properly trippy and surreal.

Not sure if it would be to tonally different to make it surreal. I think audiences want a good scare like in the first movie.

 

[lime]

 

[Batmannerism]

Lol. Haven't seen It (2017) yet. Read the book about 25 years ago. Beyond creepy ! The movie is on my list though, as my sister lives in Port Hope, Ontario where a lot of both films were shot.

 

[Sawyer]

Maybe I'm just reaching for reasons to bump here, but The Haunting of Hill House series really nailed its older/younger actor casting when it came to the siblings. Really hoping we can say the same about the Losers.

 

[Loki882]

IT is probably my favorite novel of time, so as a huge fan I’d like to weigh in...
I’m not perturbed by the 2017 movies changes, nor did I expect it to be 1:1 with the book.
Whats important to me was wether or not the movie captured the spirit of the story, and I think it did that tremendously. Doesn’t matter if details are shifted or change, especially if those changes make sense, which they absolutely do.
Ben is a bookworm, so WHY NOT make him the historian? Mikes family has a long lineage of wise men like his dad was in the novel, WHY NOT make his grandpa the parental figure? WHY have an extra scene where Butch breaks Eddies arm when it more cleanly just ties into a Pennywise altercation?
Above all else, keep in mind, it could have been A LOT worse. What we got was an adaptation that doesn’t want to copy the book shot for shot but instead be a tribute to the book, and I love it.

The only changes that actually bother me are:

-Damseling Beverly (and removing the slingshot which is a huge deal for her).
-Mike being so underused.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don't think Beverly is damseled that much. She gets in one of the best blows against Pennywise.

Mike does feel underdeveloped though.

 

[Loki882]

She didn't need to be at all. That was an unnecessary change (there was a better and less cliché reason for her to be there in the book). And the "wake up with a kiss thing" was even worse.

 

[Marvolo]

It made perfect sense to me. Pennywise is an intelligent predator. To a predator or anyone with a bit of strategic sense, going after the female, the assumed weakest of the bunch, makes the most strategic sense. And a predator would assume the lone female of the group would be the hostage that would get the boys to come running the fastest. Pennywise knows at least one of the boys has a crush on Bev.

So "damseling" Bev makes the most character sense and is the most logical direction. I know in this day and age people like to jump on a story any time it does this with a female character, but sometimes it does make sense to do it and this is one of those times. Like it or not.

And since she is repeatedly shown in the film to be strong and resourceful, Pennywise "damseling" her in no way harms or lessens her character.

The kiss thing was cheesy and silly tho. No doubt. It's a fantasy trope that should be left in Disney cartoons and fairytales.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think it's also important to note that her character isn't the only one that needs rescuing throughout the course of the film. Almost all of the other Losers at some point need saving by the others.

 

[Loki882]

Nope, "the guys have to rescue the pretty girl" didn't work and was just lame. Especially when the book handled it better without resorting to that overused cliché. Also she's the only member with an abusive dad who was (implied) molesting her, so the "she needed to be vulnerable" excuse doesn't work either. It was just a poor change, even my brother (who's no SJW) found it "lame" in comparison to the book.

 

[Art Vandelay]

So, there hasn't been much news coming from the set. Until now.

The Death of Adrian Melon

 

[Primal Slayer]

When the hell they gonna release the Extended edition!?!

 

[Marvolo]

Nope, "the guys have to rescue the pretty girl" didn't work and was just lame. Especially when the book handled it better without resorting to that overused cliché. Also she's the only member with an abusive dad who was (implied) molesting her, so the "she needed to be vulnerable" excuse doesn't work either. It was just a poor change, even my brother (who's no SJW) found it "lame" in comparison to the book.

Nope it worked fine because it was in keeping with the predator theme of the villain and it makes sense with the character. You dont have to like everything a villain does. And a villain doesnt need to adhere to the social ideals of the time period the film was released in.

 

[Art Vandelay]

It made perfect sense to me. Pennywise is an intelligent predator. To a predator or anyone with a bit of strategic sense, going after the female, the assumed weakest of the bunch, makes the most strategic sense. And a predator would assume the lone female of the group would be the hostage that would get the boys to come running the fastest. Pennywise knows at least one of the boys has a crush on Bev.

So "damseling" Bev makes the most character sense and is the most logical direction. I know in this day and age people like to jump on a story any time it does this with a female character, but sometimes it does make sense to do it and this is one of those times. Like it or not.

And since she is repeatedly shown in the film to be strong and resourceful, Pennywise "damseling" her in no way harms or lessens her character.

The kiss thing was cheesy and silly tho. No doubt. It's a fantasy trope that should be left in Disney cartoons and fairytales.

It probably goes without saying that I disagree with all of this. And while I hate to make the assumption you haven't read the book, I can't help but wonder how you could come up with this defence if you had.

Going after the weakest member (who isn't even the weakest member, actually), doesn't make an logical sense. It's main strategy, at least as far as the novel is concerned, is to take out Bill, who is the strongest. The idea being, that once dear leader Big Bill Denbrough is dead, the rest of the Losers will immediately fall. This is something Bill himself intuits, as the Losers wonder around, lost in the tunnels.

Now, maybe it's not fair to compare the movie to the book since the movie is it's own thing. But for those of us who have read the book, it's disappointing to see a strong character like Beverley used in such a way to service the plot, particularly when the only reason the movie does this is due to a decision made earlier in the movie to bring in some conflict in the form of Richie and Bill getting into a fight, thus breaking up the Losers Club.

Of course, the book never had to create conflict between the Losers, since they rarely fought each other.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It made perfect sense to me. Pennywise is an intelligent predator. To a predator or anyone with a bit of strategic sense, going after the female, the assumed weakest of the bunch, makes the most strategic sense. And a predator would assume the lone female of the group would be the hostage that would get the boys to come running the fastest. Pennywise knows at least one of the boys has a crush on Bev.

So "damseling" Bev makes the most character sense and is the most logical direction. I know in this day and age people like to jump on a story any time it does this with a female character, but sometimes it does make sense to do it and this is one of those times. Like it or not.

And since she is repeatedly shown in the film to be strong and resourceful, Pennywise "damseling" her in no way harms or lessens her character.

The kiss thing was cheesy and silly tho. No doubt. It's a fantasy trope that should be left in Disney cartoons and fairytales.

I hope Pennywise doesn't see her as the weakest member of the bunch. Nothing in the movie up to that point suggested anything other then her being the strongest. Both physically and mentally.

 

[Snow Queen]

Nope it worked fine because it was in keeping with the predator theme of the villain and it makes sense with the character. You dont have to like everything a villain does. And a villain doesnt need to adhere to the social ideals of the time period the film was released in.

You say that like characters just come to these decisions on their own and it wasn't just lazy writing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You say that like characters just come to these decisions on their own and it wasn't just lazy writing.

This is a very good point. I am all for looking into the motivates of the characters. But I do find it common that these conversations get twisted into so many logic knots that avoid the fact that these movies are written. These are decisions that the writer themselves made. You can almost always find a way to justify almost any poor decision making on a writer's part, but that just that avoids the writing aspect of the process.

 

[Luigi]

So, there hasn't been much news coming from the set. Until now.

The Death of Adrian Melon

Just as horrifying as I imagined it to be.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Sawyer]

Hope this suggests more content to come sooner rather than later.

 

[:eek:]

IT's a Wrap
Posted: October 31, 2018, 21:21:09
Section: Film » It
Filming of the second IT movie has wrapped.

 

[Drizzle]

Hope this suggests more content to come sooner rather than later.

Considering WB started plugging Godzilla 2 at SDCC 10 months before release, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw an It Chapter 2 tease around Christmas or January.

 

[samsnee]

I really wish a mod would change this thread to be called Chapter I and Chapter II.

 

[Sawyer]

Considering WB started plugging Godzilla 2 at SDCC 10 months before release, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw an It Chapter 2 tease around Christmas or January.

I'd be willing to bet that, now that WW84 has vacated 2019, IT ends up on the Entertainment Weekly 2019 movie preview cover.

 

[Sawyer]

If anything other than a teaser trailer prompted this, I'm going to RAGE.