Yeah... I just got back from my viewing and I enjoyed it. I'm not entirely onboard with saying this was closer to the book than the miniseries because it isn't, but it was indeed better than the previous effort.
Yeah... I just got back from my viewing and I enjoyed it. I'm not entirely onboard with saying this was closer to the book than the miniseries because it isn't, but it was indeed better than the previous effort.
I thought they struck the balance and for me, I will assess it after Part 2, as to it's 'closeness' to the book, I think it went for the 'essence' of the characters and feeling of the book in this chapter with also having staple horror elements to get as large an audience as possible, now the audience are 'on side' they can explore the mythos and wider world of the book in chapter 2.
Even though actual events in this film may have diverted somewhat from the book, I still maintain that it's a more faithful adaption than the mini-series because it captures the essence of the characters and the overall story and underlying themes much better.
I haven't read the novel, so maybe reading it would change my mind. But am I the only one who is not that interested in seeing the [BLACKOUT]Macroverse[/BLACKOUT] explored? I think it both sounds ridiculous, and I much prefer Pennywise as an enigma.
I didn't see it as a damsel moment at all, my interpretation was that IT saw her the strongest of the group, and at that vulnerable moment went after her. Take her out and the rest our easy pickings. She was the first one to stand up to penywise and actually hurt it. Just not a damsel in my opinion. As for the kiss, the princess and the frog was seen in her room, i felt it was perfect tying of letting ben have his moment in that instance.
I saw it as Pennywise knew she was the strongest among them and was gonna kill/eat her. His message on the wall that Bill finds was just him taunting the other Losers to heighten their fear. Pennywise didn't know she wouldn't be afraid when he got her into the sewer.
The BIGGEST thing that struck me of the child cast was the fact that IF a Muhammad Ali film ever gets made gain, you'd have to cast the actor who played Mike as Ali, his facial likeness and characteristics,even his voice pattern were so similar.
I haven't read the novel, so maybe reading it would change my mind. But am I the only one who is not that interested in seeing the [BLACKOUT]Macroverse[/BLACKOUT] explored? I think it both sounds ridiculous, and I much prefer Pennywise as an enigma.
Nah, it needs to be done. Everything is connected in the Stephen King-O-Verse and they all literally have rational explanations. It's like horror for scientists.
[BLACKOUT]Yes, Maturin (the huge turtle who vomited out our Universe after a stomach ache, lol) is seen in the book, Bill actually flies past him and speaks to him when It flings him out into the Macroverse. It's implied that he has died by the time the Losers Club are adults though, although later King novels (such as The Dark Tower series) indicate that he's not actually dead. I have trouble really understanding the Ritual of Chud, but it's an ancient ritual that the Losers Club find in a book, it's how some ancient tribal group (I forget who) would cast off demons. There's some part about the person initiating the ritual has to bite the tongue of the demon and they are locked in silent battle with each other in their minds, telling jokes or riddles or some such. It's all pretty bizarre. [/BLACKOUT]
Also to be fair, You can say Mike (bowers gang) and Stan( about to be killed) were damsels as well since they needed saving, maybe even more so for stand.
Also to be fair, You can say Mike (bowers gang) and Stan( about to be killed) were damsels as well since they needed saving, maybe even more so for stand.
How did everyone feel about them adding a damsel moment for Beverly?
While I loved that IT underestimated her and thus couldn't feed on her, I hated that was what reunited the boys and a true loves kiss being the thing to break ITs spell on her
In the most literal sense she was a girl in destress, but there was so much sense to it that I can't fault the film for it. She hurt Pennywise in the house so it makes sense that he would be most angry with Bev and want to go after her first. She was the one female of the group. Pennywise probably assumed the guys wouldn't be able to resist coming after her. I think it may have particularly sadistically appealed to Pennywise to go after the girl of the group. Pennywise would assume the girl would be physically the weakest of the group so Bev would be a more appealing target. He is a predator, after all. She is the most emotionally strong and Pennywise would want to kill or neutralize her first. And he would know that Bev being a girl and living with an abusive possessive father she would probably be separated from the group and alone more often which would give Pennywise more opportunities to grab her.
I think taking Bev first was the most logical thing for Pennywise, a predator, to do.
In the most literal sense she was a girl in destress, but there was so much sense to it that I can't fault the film for it. She hurt Pennywise in the house so it makes sense that he would be most angry with Bev and want to go after her first. She was the one female of the group. Pennywise probably assumed the guys wouldn't be able to resist coming after her. I think it may have particularly sadistically appealed to Pennywise to go after the girl of the group. Pennywise would assume the girl would be physically the weakest of the group so Bev would be a more appealing target. He is a predator, after all. She is the most emotionally strong and Pennywise would want to kill or neutralize her first. And he would know that Bev being a girl and living with an abusive possessive father she would probably be separated from the group and alone more often which would give Pennywise more opportunities to grab her.
I think taking Bev first was the most logical thing for Pennywise, a predator, to do.
I wasn't entirely won over until "He thrusts his fists against the posts" came back around, but...
Excellent, streamlined adaption overall. Most of it just works, and works really well. There were a few "cheesy/rah rah" moments that were somewhat clunkily inserted into the script, but it's believable because they're children, and because their relationships are believable. None of them really get a ton of character development, but their bond is instantly believeable, and the actors have incredible chemistry.
Tonally, the movie doesn't pull many punches. There's a nice balance of horror, humor and dark, ironic humor. I love the way the film juxtaposes the real life horrors children face, and the monster, and then intersects them together as the film draws to a close. In a lot of ways, the "real life" horrors are scarier onscreen, and the filmmakers know this, and really build the tension.
Short of changes to the source material, I have minor filmmaking quibbles. Wasn't a huge fan of some of the music choices, kids in the 80's had swimsuits, the aftermath of the garage sequence feels a bit perfunctory, and regarding the third act,
I get that what they were going for in the sewers was a sort of claustrophobic, layered feel, and they nailed the atmosphere down there, but it feels like It's lair is just...right...there. I'm used to a bit more of a "journey" to get to it, and I missed some of the key elements of it from the book, the door, etc.
People are complaining a bit about what hasn't been seen conceptually, but it should be pretty obvious that from a structural standpoint, this film just sowed the seeds of things that will be revealed and explored more in the sequel, IE,
It's influence on Derry and its people, various historical disasters (namely The Black Spot) the nature of the Losers' bond, etc. And they've really also just scratched the surface about what It is. When It escapes, It escapes even deeper into the sewer. There's more to come there, I think, probably related to the Ironworks/Standpipe or something along those lines.
. I would imagine we will see Mike in his more traditional role in the sequel. There are some decent easter eggs as well...Curry's version of the character, The Turtle, etc. Definitely a worthy adaption.
I liked how Pennywise sometimes had a Chiodo Bros' Killer Klowns vibe to himt:
Like when had sharp teeth or Kaiju Pennywise. Also for some reason when he peels his face off to show Bev the dead lights I thought about Beetlejuice. I basically for the most part had no problem with CGI in this, even the clumsier part, like someone said before it worked with the alien and tricky nature of Pennywise. Was Creepy Flute Lady in the book? I don't remember I read it awhile ago
I liked the movie. Could have been better executed in terms of the horror but the atmosphere was great, the kids were great. So was Skarsgaard. I just wish there was more restraint to this. I think the execution of the scares is what held this movie back from being truly noteworthy and great.
Fukunaga could have really elevated it. But I'm pleased to see this didn't turn into a generic horror movie like I thought it would be originally when Fukunaga left. It's distinct enough where it's memorable but it's not something I see holding up as well down the road like King's best adaptations.
Using the child orgy to make it seem better though...really lol.
It wasn't something I flat out hated since like I said
she was shown to be the unafraid of IT which IT didn't expect but a spade is spade.
If anything it would've been great if they just dropped the true loves kiss and let her break out of the hypnosis herself then we wouldnt be having this convo lol
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