Horror Stephen King's "IT" Part I and Part II

[MAN O STEEL]

For people here saying most horror movies feature kids or young twenty somethingas, what about a film adaption of Stephen king's insomnia?. It features all old people and of course the town of Derry like, 10 years after the events of IT if I'm remembering it correctly. I loved the book so much and it connects so much to king's other books in many ways. I'd love a horror film where the whole cast are elderly people.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Sawyer]

Did... she just miss the part where Pennywise initially uses the blue eyes and babyface on Georgie?

 

[Nardz937]

^ Read that tweet a few days ago and thought the same thing lol.

 

[redishere]

Plus, in the book nobody finds Pennywise completely non-threatening, not even Georgie.
Kids cry when they see him, for God's sake.

 

[DarkKnight88]

From the man himself,

"Clowns are scary," King said, according to Business Insider. "There's just no way around that. Clowns can be as angry as they want, and that's their right -- they're clowns! I mean, obviously they love kids. I came out in support of some clowns in Europe who asked me to say something nice about clowns because they go to hospitals and try to cheer up sick kids. I mean, if I were a sick kid and I saw a f—king clown coming, all the red lines would go off on my gear, because I'd be scared to death! So kids are scared of clowns."

The Reason Why It Is A Clown Is So Disturbing

 

[Lily Adler]

But what did you think of the first film of the new adaptation? and some people on youtube found the nude old lady running around to be funny and not scary at all.

Now The Shining, that was scary to have a nude old woman in a King movie.

Oh I think we know something more grotesque was on the front besides saggy bosom.

 

[TheFuture]

The thing about Pennywise that I always did like is that he tries to come across as affable to his prey, but It can't help but the let the mask slip every now and then; case in point the freaky stare at Georgie while It says nothing.

Pennywise only drops the mask completely to those who have twigged Its evil ways. To poor kids like Georgie, Pennywise can still just about pull off the affable clown ruse.

 

[MattP]

Are people still on about that "Pennywise is meant to be non threatening to lure in kids?" I mean I agree in principle that a clown is itself creepy without trying but the fact remains that Pennywise does regularly appear as a scary looking clown in the book, complete with hideous features. He does have a slightly different appearence with Georgie at the start of the first movie, the blue eyes and the skin is not cracked as it is in other. Plus it's pretty dark in the stormdrain. Pennywise 1990 looked less creepy I would agree but he starts shouting before he even grabs Georgie. He was lucky Georgies reflexes weren't up to the task.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Clowns are terrifying, simple as.

 

[MaceB]

Wow, so I just saw this trailer. Looks cool! And they got quite the cast didn't they? Several big names in a horror ensemble... you don't see that every day.

I think the first chapter was pretty awesome, so i'm stoked for this one.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Are people still on about that "Pennywise is meant to be non threatening to lure in kids?" I mean I agree in principle that a clown is itself creepy without trying but the fact remains that Pennywise does regularly appear as a scary looking clown in the book, complete with hideous features.

Yeah, I've seen way too many people who sound smug and impressed with themselves saying "No, Pennywise is meant to be appealing to kids", as if this is some brilliant insight, completely glossing over the fact that the book is terribly inconsistent in this regard.

The idea that It uses Its Pennywise guise as a lure isn't really even dissected until very late into the book. Like 800 pages in, or so. What's more, you know how many times we actually see Pennywise put this concept into practice? Once. At the start of the book. That's it (no pun intended).

Every other instance involves Pennywise appearing insidious at best, terrifying at worse. Look at some of the encounters:

- Bill sees his photo of Georgie wink at him, and the whole scene is Pennywise threatening him

-Ben is approached by the mummy with a balloon. While he sees the clown at a distance, Ben immediately feels Pennywise's voice sounds evil

-Beverly hears voices of Its victims in the bathroom drain

- Eddie is approached by a leper offering him a blow job. This is based off a previous encounter with a homeless person that Eddie had

- Mike is attacked by a giant bird

- Richie sees the giant statue of Paul Bunyan come to life

- Stan hears the voices of dead children who drowned

And those are just the main cast

- Eddie Corcoran is approached by the Creature from the Black Lagoon

- Patrick Hockstetter is attacked by flying leeches

I'd accept the idea that Pennywise is a lure more if it was actually shown to be a thing beyond the first encounter with Georgie.

 

[MattP]

Yeah, I've seen way too many people who sound smug and impressed with themselves saying "No, Pennywise is meant to be appealing to kids", as if this is some brilliant insight, completely glossing over the fact that the book is terribly inconsistent in this regard.

The idea that It uses Its Pennywise guise as a lure isn't really even dissected until very late into the book. Like 800 pages in, or so. What's more, you know how many times we actually see Pennywise put this concept into practice? Once. At the start of the book. That's it (no pun intended).

Every other instance involves Pennywise appearing insidious at best, terrifying at worse. Look at some of the encounters:

- Bill sees his photo of Georgie wink at him, and the whole scene is Pennywise threatening him

-Ben is approached by the mummy with a balloon. While he sees the clown at a distance, Ben immediately feels Pennywise's voice sounds evil

-Beverly hears voices of Its victims in the bathroom drain

- Eddie is approached by a leper offering him a blow job. This is based off a previous encounter with a homeless person that Eddie had

- Mike is attacked by a giant bird

- Richie sees the giant statue of Paul Bunyan come to life

- Stan hears the voices of dead children who drowned

And those are just the main cast

- Eddie Corcoran is approached by the Creature from the Black Lagoon

- Patrick Hockstetter is attacked by flying leeches

I'd accept the idea that Pennywise is a lure more if it was actually shown to be a thing beyond the first encounter with Georgie.

Precisement. Even when he is in full clown guise (after the Georgie chapter) he looks scary. He wasn't cute looking when Don Haggerty and the gang saw him or in the fourth of July parade. That said though I think he looked quite friendly in the recent teaser so it could just be a matter of how Bill holds his face.

 

[Marvolo]

I like to keep in mind that this is some cosmic eldritch horror that feeds on fear and people. I dont think it entirely grasps what human children think is inviting and cute. I also dont think It really cares. He doesnt feed on giggles and happy thoughts. Sure he can lure them in by being unthreatening but it's not a priority. He just needs to scare them or eat them to get his jollies off. That's what It prioritizes.

 

[Art Vandelay]

For me, the most intriguing idea the book raised was what It actually finds sustenance in. Mike speculates that it is faith and belief, not flesh, that It eats. While some of Its victims are shown to be eaten, he speculates that it's us as humans that drive It to do that. If, for example, you are afraid of vampires, It will try to bite you because that's what we associate with vampires. While the clown guise is meant to be bait, King specifically writes "if needed".

 

[Marvolo]

So because It's victims "believe" or have "faith" that the monster will eat them It is compelled to eat them? That's interesting.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Specifically, I think it's that because they believe in the monster, that means buying into whatever else is typically associated with it. That's why the slingshot used in the book works, because they believe it will. There's a great line in the book where King says something like, if a thousand villagers dream up a vampire, someone, usually a child, will create the steak to kill it. As he puts it "But a stake is only stupid wood; the mind is the mallet which drives it home.". This is why Pennywise enlists the help of Henry. Because Henry is a physical person who operates under very different rules than It. He can kill the Losers whether they believe in him or not.

 

[Pennywise]

The Biggest Challenge In Adapting Stephen King Books, According To IT And 'Salem's Lot Writer

There's a lot of challenging things, but it really is an editing process of like...you know you're not going to get all the ****ing great scenes in there. You know, they always say you have to kill your darlings. But it's like, [they're] not. They are my darlings, but I'm such a fan of the books and the scenes, and so it's a challenge to sort of decide, 'Okay, well I really like this, but I love that. Is there a way to get the two ideas in there and maybe put it somewhere else?' It's one of those things where I tried to preserve as much as I can of the book, in the spirit of the book, and why it works.

I mean, there's books out there that have great concepts, but they're not executed so well. So you're like, 'Well, I like the concept, but I'll kind of just run with it.' Or it's got a good first half, but the second half is not great, so you can depart from it. But these are not those, right? They work so well. There's a reason they've been around as long as they have been. So you're just working very hard to preserve as much as you can of it and give it the respect it deserves.

Being able to be a part of the team that brings these things to the big screen has been a remarkable experience and a whole hell of a lot of fun. So at the end of the day, man, we're working on IT or 'Salem's Lot, and I just don't want to... [Pauses.] I just hope Stephen King likes it. [Laughs.] At the end of the day, if he's okay with it, then I'm okay with it. That's kind of what I'm working towards. I've talked about keeping my head down and doing the work, and to not try to think about the pressure of when I read this for the first time, or all the fans and all that stuff. You just try to go, 'Okay, this is a ****ing great book. How can I make this a great movie?'

 

[Marvolo]

Has there been any word about whether

Spoiler

Bev's husband and Bill's wife

will be in this film? Those characters seem like the sort that would get the chop in a film adaption to keep the focus on the Losers and Pennywise.

 

[Nardz937]

Has there been any word about whether

Spoiler

Bev's husband and Bill's wife

will be in this film? Those characters seem like the sort that would get the chop in a film adaption to keep the focus on the Losers and Pennywise.

Spoiler

Jess Weixler plays Bill's wife, Audra in this. I'm not sure if Bev's husband is confirmed but in the trailer she has bruises on her arm which indicates to me he is

.

 

[The Joker]

Has there been any word about whether

Spoiler

Bev's husband and Bill's wife

will be in this film? Those characters seem like the sort that would get the chop in a film adaption to keep the focus on the Losers and Pennywise.

Yes they are both in the movie.

 

[Sawyer]

Interview: Mary Kills People's Jay Ryan - Brief Take

BT: What can you say about your arc in It: Chapter 2?

JR: It will probably be a pinnacle of my career up to this point. My family and I moved to Los Angeles at this point last year, and I was trying to get a film. I’ve done a lot of television in my time and been part of the television contract. And the reason that I got into this business was because of films like The Goonies or even films like Titanic that are awe-inspiring, these blockbusters, movies with heart and soul, that I would watch as a young kid. That was what sort of inspired me to be an actor, even Lord of the Rings. One of those big, great movies, and for me, it was like “now’s my big chance to get a film”. I went in to the audition for It basically two days before, I was like “okay, I’ve run out of money, and I’ll have to move back to New Zealand” and it came up, and I went out and did the audition and they responded very well to it. And the studio and the director, Andy Muschetti, asked if I could send in some photographs of myself to see if they match up with Jeremy (Ray Taylor) and so I sent in my first headshot, that I must have taken when I was about 10 years old. I’ve been acting for a long time. And he placed it up next to Jeremy’s first headshot and the similarities are kind of uncanny, so that clinched the deal. And yeah, it was such an incredible experience. Barbara Muschetti and Andy Muschetti, who are siblings: she’s the producer and he’s the director, it’s really lovely to work with these siblings who are so creative. And it didn’t feel like a horror movie: it felt like this great adventure as a team, and we all came together as adult Losers and we bonded very quickly. We had this great responsibility to capture what the kids had done in the first movie so well. And yeah, it was really a great time. It was a long shoot, it was 4 months, and I’m about to go do some pick-ups tomorrow, so we’re still working on the movie. Andy is a real craftsman and is going to make a great second chapter, which is no easy feat to do. So yeah, be ready – it’s going to be big!

 

[harlequinade]

They are going to Comic Con with this

 

[Nardz937]

 

[The Joker]

^ Bill Hader looks so happy there lol.