Horror Stephen King's "IT" Part I and Part II

[Art Vandelay]

I speculated earlier on in this thread whether or not we would see the

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destruction of Derry

, and people here seemed confident we would even though I didn't. Well, going by the trailer, it seems I was right. Actually, I'm surprised people thought it would be a possibility.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I know Grace Randolph is trash but this is simply hilarious.

she's is quite simply one of the most despicable YouTubers I have ever seen in my life. She's a disgusting insecure woman who only has a fanbase due to her contrarian attitude. She's the queen of starting fanboy wars and quite simply I think she's jealous of Jessica Chastain

 

[harlequinade]

I made the gifset of that nightmare fuel:

 

[Finarfiniel]

I love the teaser. I can't believe how well they've adapted the Mrs Kersh scene from the book and I'm really liking Chastain as Bev so far. I also have the sudden urge to read the book again for the billionth time (definitely one of King's best), but I've just started the last Dark Tower book (for the billionth time) so it's going to have to wait.

I speculated earlier on in this thread whether or not we would see the

Spoiler: spoiler

destruction of Derry

, and people here seemed confident we would even though I didn't. Well, going by the trailer, it seems I was right. Actually, I'm surprised people thought it would be a possibility.

What? How exactly have you figured that from the extremely brief teaser that's been released so far? Other than the Bev/Mrs Kersh scene there's literally only tiny glimpses of the rest of the film and I highly doubt they're going to spoil the big finale in a teaser trailer. I still don't understand why you think they're going to leave that extremely important part of the book out considering that

Spoiler

the destruction of downtown Derry is what signifies that the Losers have really killed It for good this time.

 

[Boom]

Got major Hereditary vibes from the opening.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I did not know who the hell Grace Randolph is. I click on a few clips that she talked about Jessica Chastain.

What an absolutely rude prick. She's so ridicilous and her voice is so annoying and her expression when talking about Chastain is simply unacceptable

I hate her.

In the on-line reviewer's thread she rightfully gets a full-on metaphoric ear bashing.

Here are my thoughts from that thread....

I was replying to a post that had said she seemed full of hatred....

It is those things, but it's the badly hidden jealousy and envy contained within her character for me that's the most damming shame and her continuous 'bulldozing' of other females in the film & entertainment industry. Just because she didn't make it as an actress (and I'm glad she's found another 'way in') but having a free reign and privilege frankly to air one's views doesn't give any one individual the right to chastise and place, frankly, lies, within one's soundbox. Plus, if she can stop eating a multi-family pack of m&m's prior to recording and just sllllloooowww down a little, she'd make a massive improvement.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I love the teaser. I can't believe how well they've adapted the Mrs Kersh scene from the book and I'm really liking Chastain as Bev so far. I also have the sudden urge to read the book again for the billionth time (definitely one of King's best), but I've just started the last Dark Tower book (for the billionth time) so it's going to have to wait.



What? How exactly have you figured that from the extremely brief teaser that's been released so far? Other than the Bev/Mrs Kersh scene there's literally only tiny glimpses of the rest of the film and I highly doubt they're going to spoil the big finale in a teaser trailer. I still don't understand why you think they're going to leave that extremely important part of the book out considering that

Spoiler

the destruction of downtown Derry is what signifies that the Losers have really killed It for good this time.

See this shot where the Losers look at their child reflections? Notice anyone missing?

When do you think this scene takes place?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Got major Hereditary vibes from the opening.

As you will for the next few years until the next big horror flick changes the game.

 

[FunkMiller]

They showed the dead lights in the first film. I kinda doubt they'll go as far as show the turtle though, given just how weird it is.

I deliberately put deadlights / todash darkness as they don’t really show what the deadlights really are in the movie. You kinda get the basic ‘evil glowing lights’ thing, but they don’t explore what’s beyond it. It all gets a bit metaphysical in the book... and I’d like to see at least an attempt to recreate that element in the second movie.

You’re probably right on the turtle. Though, if you know the whole structure of King’s multiverse, it doesn’t come across as too weird. But they wouldn’t be able to cover any of that, so best avoided probably.

...though I’d **** my pants if at the end of the film Bill

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travels into the macroverse, and they sling in a Easter egg of the Tower.

Every other shared universe is tiny compared to the size and scope of King’s.

‘All things serve the beam’.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

Should I read the book ? I don't rate Chapter 1 movie that much but the concept and the story does indeed intrigue me. I'm hesitate because Chapter 2's trailer is so god damn good that I'm scared the experience won't be the same once I know the plot from the book.

 

[FunkMiller]

Should I read the book ? I don't rate Chapter 1 movie that much but the concept and the story does indeed intrigue me. I'm hesitate because Chapter 2's trailer is so god damn good that I'm scared the experience won't be the same once I know the plot from the book.

Yes. It’s very long and dense, but it remains the absolute gold standard for epic horror. No one does childhood terror like King.

The scope and scale of the story is actually quite breath taking. King manages to build an entire living, breathing city from scratch, populated with memorable characters, and with a fascinating backstory. Derry really is a character, as much as Bill or Bev.

And IT is still his best villain. An amalgamation of several horror tropes that combine into some hardcore nightmare fuel.

IT really is everything great about Stephen King’s writing, all in one place. It’s his best stand alone story.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

Yes. It’s very long and dense, but it remains the absolute gold standard for epic horror. No one does childhood terror like King.

The scope and scale of the story is actually quite breath taking. King manages to build an entire living, breathing city from scratch, populated with memorable characters, and with a fascinating backstory. Derry really is a character, as much as Bill or Bev.

And IT is still his best villain. An amalgamation of several horror tropes that combine into some hardcore nightmare fuel.

IT really is everything great about Stephen King’s writing, all in one place. It’s his best stand alone story.

How does it compare to Pet Sematary ? PS was really good although I did not fully understand the book because I read it in English

 

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How does it compare to Pet Sematary ? PS was really good although I did not fully understand the book because I read it in English

Going by memory (it was a long time ago I read both novels) I think Pet Sematary is the scarier (or at least more disturbing story) while It might be a greater piece of literature plain and simple. King himself originally didn't want to publish Pet Sematary, thinking is was too dark and I can see why.

 

[The Joker]

Should I read the book ? I don't rate Chapter 1 movie that much but the concept and the story does indeed intrigue me. I'm hesitate because Chapter 2's trailer is so god damn good that I'm scared the experience won't be the same once I know the plot from the book.

Yes, definitely read the book. Its terrific. It jumps back and forth between the kids and adults years, but it flows really well.

 

[jmc]

I haven't seen Chapter 1 but I've always felt this duo of films was best watched in one complete sitting. So, I anticipate lots of cinemas doing this as a double feature event.

 

[Lily Adler]

I haven't seen Chapter 1 but I've always felt this duo of films was best watched in one complete sitting. So, I anticipate lots of cinemas doing this as a double feature event.

At least it won't be as long as an Infinity War/Endgame one.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Should I read the book ? I don't rate Chapter 1 movie that much but the concept and the story does indeed intrigue me. I'm hesitate because Chapter 2's trailer is so god damn good that I'm scared the experience won't be the same once I know the plot from the book.

The movie changed a lot, so at the very least, the book should feel like it's own thing.

 

[Luigi]

Excellent teaser. Was kinda expecting to be about Stan's bath instead of Mrs. Kersh and Bev.

 

[MattP]

I loved that teaser. It was creepy, unsettling and freaky. Loved some of the imagery in the montage too. I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy this more than part 1 which I loved also.

 

[TheFuture]

. Plus, if she can stop eating a multi-family pack of m&m's prior to recording and just sllllloooowww down a little, she'd make a massive improvement.

Now who's making unecessary digs? Who cares about what she eats.

Grace can be good when sticking to what she knows and focusing on the content alone, as she seems to at least approach things from an unbiased viewpoint and critiques based on merit alone.

It's when she doesn't focus on the content, and starts using her "insider sources" to make unverified digs at the likes of Chastain, Margot Robbie and Henry Cavill that I start to turn off.

Her views on Chastain certainly aren't worth much so not sure why she's even being discussed.

 

[Iceman]

Going by memory (it was a long time ago I read both novels) I think Pet Sematary is the scarier (or at least more disturbing story) while It might be a greater piece of literature plain and simple. King himself originally didn't want to publish Pet Sematary, thinking is was too dark and I can see why.

Agreed. Pet Sematary was one of the first books I ever read. Got through it in a few days.

 

[Finarfiniel]

See this shot where the Losers look at their child reflections? Notice anyone missing?

When do you think this scene takes place?

That literally proves nothing considering that

Spoiler

it's only downtown Derry that gets destroyed in the book, not the whole city as the Derry Town House (where the Losers see the reflections of their child selves) and the surrounding area still seems to be intact.

I deliberately put deadlights / todash darkness as they don’t really show what the deadlights really are in the movie. You kinda get the basic ‘evil glowing lights’ thing, but they don’t explore what’s beyond it. It all gets a bit metaphysical in the book... and I’d like to see at least an attempt to recreate that element in the second movie.

You’re probably right on the turtle. Though, if you know the whole structure of King’s multiverse, it doesn’t come across as too weird. But they wouldn’t be able to cover any of that, so best avoided probably.

...though I’d **** my pants if at the end of the film Bill

Spoiler

travels into the macroverse, and they sling in a Easter egg of the Tower.

Every other shared universe is tiny compared to the size and scope of King’s.

‘All things serve the beam’.

They made a couple of small references to the Turtle/Maturin in the first movie (one of the kids seeing a turtle when they're playing in the lake and Bill holding Georgie's lego turtle) but I'd absolutely love it if they had the guts to go further into the lore in Chapter 2. I guess I can grudgingly understand if they don't want to though, the audience who have never read the book and don't know anything about King's multiverse would be all 'what the actual ****'?

It would be fairly easy to slip discreet little Dark Tower references into Part 2 though, just a van driving past someone with 'The Sombra Corporation' or 'The Tet Corporation' on the side of it would be enough to make me happy scream.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Should I read the book ? I don't rate Chapter 1 movie that much but the concept and the story does indeed intrigue me. I'm hesitate because Chapter 2's trailer is so god damn good that I'm scared the experience won't be the same once I know the plot from the book.

Definitely read the book, as faithful as the first movie is in parts, the book is still very different and in my opinion much better and much scarier. @m1ll3r is completely right that King manages to make the city of Derry a character just as much as any of the kids or their adult selves. There are even 'interludes' in the book that are all about the history of Derry and some of the horrifying things that have happened there in the past. Warning, the book is incredibly long, much longer than anyone seeing the movies would probably expect. It's thoroughly worth it though, King at his engrossing and terrifying best.

Yes. It’s very long and dense, but it remains the absolute gold standard for epic horror. No one does childhood terror like King.

The scope and scale of the story is actually quite breath taking. King manages to build an entire living, breathing city from scratch, populated with memorable characters, and with a fascinating backstory. Derry really is a character, as much as Bill or Bev.

And IT is still his best villain. An amalgamation of several horror tropes that combine into some hardcore nightmare fuel.

IT really is everything great about Stephen King’s writing, all in one place. It’s his best stand alone story.

I agree with all of this, except perhaps the bit about IT being King's best villain. As much as I love the character of IT, that title has to go to Walter Padick/The Man in Black/Randall Flagg/Marten Broadcloak (e.t.c) for me. I adore that insane, enigmatic, sorcerous giggling bastard so much, as underwhelming as his ultimate fate ended up being.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Now who's making unecessary digs? Who cares about what she eats.

Grace can be good when sticking to what she knows and focusing on the content alone, as she seems to at least approach things from an unbiased viewpoint and critiques based on merit alone.

It's when she doesn't focus on the content, and starts using her "insider sources" to make unverified digs at the likes of Chastain, Margot Robbie and Henry Cavill that I start to turn off.

Her views on Chastain certainly aren't worth much so not sure why she's even being discussed.

Why is my name I the quotes when i didn't say that haha. I'm confused

 

[TheFuture]

Why is my name I the quotes when i didn't say that haha. I'm confused

Ah....was confused alright myself there think it was Mandon Knight who said it.