Stephen King's "IT" remake has found a writer - Part 3

[Marvolo]

This review by Forbe's Scott Mendelson more elaborately explains all the problems I had with the movie: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...-is-a-terrifying-disappointment/#7ca50db81c13

It morphs from a very creepy opening Georgie death scene (IMO was infinitely better than the TV series) into thinly portrayed child archetypes who in various arbitrarily put together sequences are being terrorized by a goofy clown that ironically becomes very sloppy at his primary gig and the city - well they manage to remain completely oblivious.

Pennywise's aesthetic, the kids' charisma as a group, and the pop culture nostalgia rescue it for most standard audience members. I get it - that's what sells - but it's not a quality horror flick by any stretch of the imagination.

It's to horror movies what pop is to the music genre.

 

[Marvolo]

I have a question:

The movie gave me the impression that Beverly's Father was sexually abusing her? Was that the case or I misunderstand it? Was he raping his own daughter?

Yes. That's what the film was trying to convey. Im not sure if he'd done it to her before or if that was the first time he'd tried to rape her, but even if he had never raped her before he definitely had unhealthy possessive and sexual thoughts about his daughter.

In the earlier scripts it was more explicit. He gets her clothes off before she gets away from him. And in one of the scripts Pennywise may have been influencing him.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Saturday estimate from Rth is $44m. Even if It somehow had a 50% Sunday drop it would still be close to $120m and with Saturday actually having an increase over Friday (not counting Thursday previews) it seems unlikely it would drop that much now.

How the f**k did I miss this?? Wow, just Wow.

44 million on Saturday means 17.3% increase from True Friday. That's ridiculously awesome. I don't think even the Conjuring movie recorded such increase in footfalls on Saturday. 'IT's maddening. Friday+ Saturday equals (51+44)=95 million. Even with a worst case scenario of 50% drop on Sunday, 'IT' will collect 117 million. The optimistic or even more realistic scenarios point to an OW really close to or slightly over 120 million. This is incredible. One of the greatest BO stories of all time.

 

[SuperBatman]

Yes. That's what the film was trying to convey.

In the earlier scripts it was more explicit. He gets her clothes off before she gets away from him. And in one of the scripts Pennywise may have been influencing him.

Spoilers for the Sequel likely.

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I think we kinda see Pennywise influencing him I don't know if its because Beverly comes home into the room or not but when she comes home the TV is on and it shows that Woman with all those kids telling people to go play in the Sewer. IDK why Beverly Dad would be watching something like that unless Pennywise was Influencing him.

Also I just don't see how Henry Bowers could Survive a fall like that in the end and still come back that raises some questions because in the end he plays a big part in Part 2

 

[OutOfBoose]

Bruh, why are replying to him?? No disrespect to that guy but he did the same shtick after Kong:Skull Island released. He was salty as hell about it. He is tryna get a reaction out of those who loved 'IT'. Let him stay pressed. Ignore him.

Kong: Skull Island sucked. Maybe this one is meh too... At least in comparison to the praise it gets.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

46.5 m Saturday

http://deadline.com/2017/09/stephen-king-it-home-again-box-office-1202163667/

Updated Saturday PM: With a strong hold from Friday to Saturday, Stephen King’s It is looking to pass $120M by the end of its three-day weekend, just as our tracking experts predicted earlier todday. Current estimates have the Andy Muschietti-directed horror film floating around $123.5M right now, down only 8% from last night. Today pulled in roughly $46.5M after Friday night’s $51M (which included that $13.5M preview). The box office for It would be even higher if the Houston and Florida markets weren’t affected by two of this nation’s strongest hurricanes on record. Florida alone accounts for roughly 5% to 6% of the nation’s box office receipts and about half or more of that state is shut down due to Hurricane Irma.

Gotta note that over the past 48 hours, this box office record breaker from New Line Cinema and Warner Bros. has surged across social media, surpassing the kind of activity that Marvel and DC superhero franchises regularly enjoy, RelishMix says. YouTube views have grown by over 16.4M to 266.6M and the official It movie Facebook page (which added 6.7K new fans 2-days ago) is now popping six-fold to 41K yesterday and now 1.2M total.

Even It creator’s Stephen King’s FB page added another 100,000 fans over the week up to 5.1M fans, and Stranger Thing’s star Finn Wolfhard’s Instagram page just added 37,500 fans up to 1.4M total. Also, Twitter hashtags for IT and ITmovie are now at 94K just in the past 24 hours.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Kong: Skull Island sucked. Maybe this one is meh too... At least in comparison to the praise it gets.

The first part is highly subjective and you'll find yourself in the minority with that opinion. I respect your opinion a lot and I'll do the same for that guy in question as well. But iirc, I didn't see you posting snarky comments and raining on the parade of those who loved K:SI unlike that guy in question. That's what I was getting at. You may end up hating/disliking the movie like him but that's doesn't bother me in the slightest. I hope you love the movie I'm stanning but if you don't happen to like it, it's totally fine. No big deal.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Whatever happens, I won't be raining on people's enjoyment for sure. In the worst case, I'll probably leave this thread after posting my opinion.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Updated Saturday PM: With a strong hold from Friday to Saturday, Stephen King’s It is looking to pass $120M by the end of its three-day weekend, just as our tracking experts predicted earlier todday. Current estimates have the Andy Muschietti-directed horror film floating around $123.5M right now, down only 8% from last night. Today pulled in roughly $46.5M after Friday night’s $51M (which included that $13.5M preview). The box office for It would be even higher if the Houston and Florida markets weren’t affected by two of this nation’s strongest hurricanes on record. Florida alone accounts for roughly 5% to 6% of the nation’s box office receipts and about half or more of that state is shut down due to Hurricane Irma.

F***, this is insanity. So the updated Saturday is 46.5 million. That's a 24% increase from the True Friday number. I can totally see [51+46.5+26.5]=124 million OW atm. This is f**king behemoth. 'IT' is definitely the biggest OW success story for any movie or at least my recent memory is telling me that.

With a 124 million OW, 'IT' will become 27th biggest opener in the history of BO and it's the lowest budgeted movie in that illustrious list. F**k me, that's insane.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Whatever happens, I won't be raining on people's enjoyment for sure. In the worst case, I'll probably leave this thread after posting my opinion.

Ha, I know you won't do it. I would love to see discussions between diametrically opposite POVs regarding the same movie. I mean if we all agree to everything and it's all sunshine and rainbows with all the reviews, where would be the fun in that?? I don't want an echo chamber of positive thoughts. But it irks me when someone tries to throw their superior standards in my face and tries to paint others as basics/casuals who are easily pleased with whatever s**t we see on the screen. That's insulting, don't you think??

Anyway, too much talk about just one opinion. Just enjoy the movie and even if you end up disliking it, share your full thoughts with us. I'll look forward to your review.

 

[SuperBatman]

F***, this is insanity. So the updated Saturday is 46.5 million. That's a 24% increase from the True Friday number. I can totally see [51+46.5+26.5]=124 million OW atm. This is f**king behemoth. 'IT' is definitely the biggest OW success story for any movie or at least my recent memory is telling me that.

With a 124 million OW, 'IT' will become 27th biggest opener in the history of BO and it's the lowest budgeted movie in that illustrious list. F**k me, that's insane.

Yeah it's crazy this also could be it For the Exorcist it's been a long time but It could overtake it for the highest grossing horror rated R movie.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah it's crazy this also could be it For the Exorcist it's been a long time but It could overtake it for the highest grossing horror rated R movie.

I just checked the rating for 'The Sixth Sense'. It's pg-13 so 'The Exorcist' is the highest grossing 'R' rated horror movie ever. 'IT' can potentially outgross that 233 million figure during the 2nd weekend itself. I'm guessing a 55% 2nd weekend drop what with the Hurricane and the NFL deflating this weekend. So we could be looking at a 2nd weekend of 56 million. So all 'IT' will need is a further 53 million or so during the 4 weekdays in between and that 53 million accounts for just 42.7% of the OW. So I think it's within reasonable expectations. I even think 'The Sixth Sense' can go down and 'IT' will become the biggest Horror movie ever. This is totally kkkrazzzy.

 

[Loki882]

Yes. That's what the film was trying to convey. Im not sure if he'd done it to her before or if that was the first time he'd tried to rape her, but even if he had never raped her before he definitely had unhealthy possessive and sexual thoughts about his daughter.

In the earlier scripts it was more explicit. He gets her clothes off before she gets away from him. And in one of the scripts Pennywise may have been influencing him.

I got the sense that it was the first time that he'd tried to flat-out rape her. But he clearly had been an abusive possessive A-hole for some time. And like most abuse, it kept escalating until it got to that point.

 

[BH/HHH]

Next time I see this in theatres I'm gonna hide in the front row and release a red balloon before the lights turn on. Tie it to the front seat. And disappear into the crowd.

you totally should

 

[BH/HHH]

Saw it...loved it. I'm a huge Horror fan...but kind of difficult to please (I didn't really even like Lights Out or The Conjuring 2 or Ouija: Origin of Evil...all of which got a bunch of praise). This just had a ton of heart...great atmosphere that was scary throughout (instead of not scary at all for the first hour like many Horror films)...the kids all seemed genuine. Pennywise was incredible. It was like watching the first ANOES for the first time and seeing an iconic new slasher killer. Loved the effect of the water coming out of his mouth when he spoke...and the "bad" CGI didnt bother me because its a freaking clown...I think it was intentional. It was even pretty darn funny.

Oddly enough...my favorite scene was

Spoiler

In the library where Ben was looking through the old photo album and the librarian was off in the back of the room...out of focus...looking creepy as all get out, staring at him with this evil look. It wasn't a blatant scare...in fact...most of the people I saw the film with didnt even notice it (I went in a group of 12). But something about that freaked me out because it was like the evil could be anywhere and anyone.

I noticed that, I thought my mind was playing tricks on me and that she was just stood there but I definitely thought I saw a creepy grin.

Yes. That's what the film was trying to convey. Im not sure if he'd done it to her before or if that was the first time he'd tried to rape her, but even if he had never raped her before he definitely had unhealthy possessive and sexual thoughts about his daughter.

In the earlier scripts it was more explicit. He gets her clothes off before she gets away from him. And in one of the scripts Pennywise may have been influencing him.

I'd assumed he'd already had and that this was the time when she finally wasn't going to let it happen. He said something like "don't they know about..." or something. Which to me implied he had but she didn't tell her friends.

Was Henry lying about doing **** to her? Or was that something further developed in the book.

Also was it just me or was the Pharmacist flirting with Bev in that one scene?

 

[Nardz937]

Also was it just me or was the Pharmacist flirting with Bev in that one scene?

He absolutely was. Dude looked and sounded like a majority of the characters you see on Catch A Predator.

 

[BH/HHH]

He absolutely was. Dude looked and sounded like a majority of the characters you see on Catch A Predator.

He had a hell of a creepy smile too. Although I've heard in the book that the evil has a hold on the town and that's why some people are creepy or nasty etc. So I wonder if the essence in the town is why Bev's Father is the way he is.

 

[Greens]

I didn't love the movie. I thought the way they used Pennywise was weak. Not Bill's performance, but how they used stupid camera tricks and CG-humped a lot of his scenes. I thought the script was good in some areas and TERRIBLE in others, namely the interactions between the kids. Ritchie's lines got a lot of laughs in my audience but I thought they were all very try hard, unnatural and cringe worthy. The film doesn't really have many scary scenes to speak of. It's all by the numbers, predictable stuff. They should have gotten a better director for this.

 

[Daywalker89]

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I noticed that, I thought my mind was playing tricks on me and that she was just stood there but I definitely thought I saw a creepy grin.

Scenes like that in a horror always stick out for me. I clocked it at first and thought this old lady is in possessed mode. It reminded me of a certain scene in " It Follows ". Loved the direction and imagery in this film. Really deserves the credit its getting at the moment.

 

[BH/HHH]

Scenes like that in a horror always stick out for me. I clocked it at first and thought this old lady is in possessed mode. It reminded me of a certain scene in " It Follows ". Loved the direction and imagery in this film. Really deserves the credit its getting at the moment.

Yeah I do too but because it then flipped back and she wasn't stood there anymore (think she moved to the background). I thought maybe she was just stood there and I had projected that creepy grin on to her. But alas no others spotted it too. It kind of reminds me one of the scariest moments in the Strangers for me when Liv Tyler's on the phone and the guy with the mask is just stood there watching her. That's the kind of **** that creeps me out.

It definitely deserves its credit, I agree.

 

[StarLord]

Kong: Skull Island sucked. Maybe this one is meh too... At least in comparison to the praise it gets.

Jordan Vogt-Roberts want a 1000 word essay on his desk in the morning with your reasoning.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Jordan Vogt-Roberts want a 1000 word essay on his desk in the morning with your reasoning.

It's not a thread for Kong: Skull Island. I didn't mean to start a discussion about the film, nor I'm loving the film enough to bother. I'm just agreeing with those, who think the film was mediocre at best.

 

[samsnee]

The film does a poor job of tying all of those parental/adult issues into the manifestation of Pennywise and how it should initially weaken the kids against him.

That's your opinion because it was pretty obvious to me the kids didn't really trust the adults in town.

 

[BH/HHH]

Something I have just thought of, didn't Henry and his pals realise one of there friends was missing? Or did I miss a scene? They didn't seem too bothered I must say lol

 

[Greens]

This review by Forbe's Scott Mendelson more elaborately explains all the problems I had with the movie: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...-is-a-terrifying-disappointment/#7ca50db81c13

Yeah that article is on point. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but this movie just missed the mark for me. Take the Georgie scene... the film improves on the miniseries by having a very charismatic and cute little guy play Georgie, okay good... but when we get to the end of the scene Pennywise's face morphs into something from Jim Carrey's The Mask, and in the very next shot Georgie's arm is gone. The way that was cut together felt off to me.

Or the part where [blackout]Bev finds Pennywise's hide-out[/blackout]. That could have been a great, LENGTHY setpiece but they hardly utilize it at all. Or the part where he appears on the kids show. I thought the TV running in the background was a great running thing throughout the movie, but then when he shows up it immediately goes to ANOTHER lame shot of him just smiling like a creep and the scene ends.

My main problem with Pennywise is that he doesn't get enough time to really interact with the main characters. He shows up, his face morphs into some stuff, and that's it. In the miniseries, almost every time he shows up he actually talks to his (future) victim and messes with them a little bit. Some of the stuff in the crackhouse was good because he came face to face with the kids and messed with them.

Beyond that, I think it's so weird that people are blatantly ignoring the weird and totally off CG that was used on Pennywise in this film. I don't find Pennywise running toward the camera while it does a weird zoom thing on his face to be scary. Give me more physical stuff of him actually standing there, in the shot. That could just be my expectations of the character not aligning with everyone else's.