Superman Returns Stories of spreading the news of Superman Returns...

[NateGray]

Dude no joke just about anyone I have spoken to since they cast Routh in the movie has told me almost exactly the same thing!

Now should be somewhere near 30plus people which I have asked or spoken to about Superman in general, and the topic comes up.
I hang out with alot of comic geeks cus well im a comic geek myself, and nobody I know is even a little hyped about the movie.

Most of the girls I know which have talked about this subject have said that they are not even going to watch the movie if Welling is not in it.
I honestly think that the WB missed a major chance here, Welling in the movie would have sold the movie more then Routh...

Most people don't like the idea that Routh was cast only cause he sounds a little like Chris, and looks somewhat like him a little from certain angles...
Just about everyone says that they rather see a more modern Superman which is an all new take on the character, and Welling is their #1 choice...

Like it's been said before... Tom Welling is this Generations SUPERMAN, and Brandon Routh might just have came by to late... For alot of people The Torch has been passed from Reeve to Welling... Lets hope Singer has not failed us...

Pretty much the same thing I get when I mention SR most people know Welling but when showed pictures of Routh most agree he looks the part good enough and they think he will be ok.
And yeh not one woman I have asked has said they plan on seeing it at all even in DVD just not they type of movie they go to see is the general response.
Now when I mention Lois and her child to even people who were positive about the movie they have mostly all but a couple said it was just a dumb idea to have lois have a child.
As for the action again most the people I talk to want more than just Lex in the movie or they want Lex in the power suit because they want a super heroic fight of titans.
I mentioned the other possibly cool stuff like the plane rescue they kinda shrugged it off as thats not really action you want in a superman movie.

 

[Milkman95]

I'd say more people know of him than you think.

From what, those huge hits Cheaper by the Dozen 1 & 2 and The Fog?

 

[NateGray]

From what, those huge hits Cheaper by the Dozen 1 & 2 and The Fog?

Or maybe from say a top rated TV show that has been on the past 5 years.....
I would hazard to say more people like SV than dislike it and his assesment that more people know Welling is right on because people who watch TV go to movies its not excliusive like you are trying to spin it they would be that general movie going public you mention.

 

[Milkman95]

Or maybe from say a top rated TV show that has been on the past 5 years.....
I would hazard to say more people like SV than dislike it and his assesment that more people know Welling is right on because people who watch TV go to movies its not excliusive like you are trying to spin it they would be that general movie going public you mention.

If I were to take a poll from general audiences, and asked them who Tom Welling is, my bet is half of them would probably know who he is. That isn't a bad thing mind you, It's just my opinion on the matter. The same thing happened with Christian Bale in BB - nobody really knew who he was either.........

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

I've had some mixed responses on the movie, but not because of Smallville, because I know a lot of people that aren't Superman fans. That being said, I have a friend. Pretty much hates Superman. Hates the costume, hates the character. A few months ago I showed him the trailers for X3 and Superman Returns. He is a fan of the X-Men, though he's not really a comic fan. After seeing the first trailer, he is already refusing to see the movie. On the other hand, after showing him the Superman Returns teaser, he had nothing but questions about the movie, and actually seemed fairly positive on it. That was all I needed to show me that when the public actually gets the full trailer, and the tv spots, and the full marketing campeign swings into gear, this movie will be huge.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

People are familiar with the show Smallville, regardless of whether or not they actually watch it or have even seen any of it. They may not know the name Welling, but they've probably seen the face around.

From what, those huge hits Cheaper by the Dozen 1 & 2 and The Fog?

Why, yes, now that you ask. Both Cheaper by the Dozen movies made over $200 million combined. Good call on noticing they were hits.

 

[Milkman95]

People are familiar with the show Smallville, regardless of whether or not they actually watch it or have even seen any of it. They may not know the name Welling, but they've probably seen the face around.

Well, that's not the question. The question is the name. Again, it was the same with Christian Bale - he'd be recongnizable, but if I said his name, a lot of people wouldn't know him before Batman Begins.........

Why, yes, now that you ask. Both Cheaper by the Dozen movies made over $200 million combined. Good call on noticing they were hits.

Yeah, they were modest hits but Tom had nothing to do with their success. I did enjoy both films though.......

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Milkman, it seems you're trying to argue on a semantics-like level and it makes you seem very biased and non-objective. I don't like Welling, Smallville, nor the idea of Welling being Superman. HOWEVER, I'm not going to let that blind me to the possibility that this movie could face difficulty with people either refusing to accept someone other than Welling as Superman or being very confused by it.

Whether it be his name, his face, or his blood type, more people know who the current incarnation of Superman/Clark Kent is in Welling than you're acknowledging. THAT is the question, not of knowing his name or whatever other way you're going to twist the argument.

And they were more than modest hits. Again, don't muddle fact just to support your very skewed viewpoint.

 

[Milkman95]

Milkman, it seems you're trying to argue on a semantics-like level and it makes you seem very biased and non-objective. I don't like Welling, Smallville, nor the idea of Welling being Superman. HOWEVER, I'm not going to let that blind me to the possibility that this movie could face difficulty with people either refusing to accept someone other than Welling as Superman or being very confused by it.

I have no problem with TW - in fact, I would have liked to have seen him in the role as well. What bothers me the most are the SV and TW fans that refuse to have an open mind about this production or BR, which has probably influenced me lately to have a negative view towards SV. Bottom line is I never had a favorite person to play the role - Caviezel, Welling, Routh, Bomer, or Cavill it doesn't matter. As long as that certain actor is good in the role. I think the difficulty you're talking about is a very small percentage in the overall scope of things.

Whether it be his name, his face, or his blood type, more people know who the current incarnation of Superman/Clark Kent is in Welling than you're acknowledging. THAT is the question, not of knowing his name or whatever other way you're going to twist the argument.

That is indeed the question - SV is a successful show, but from an overall standpoint, I think SR won't be affected too much because of SV.

And they were more than modest hits. Again, don't muddle fact just to support your very skewed viewpoint.

I'll give you the first film as being more than a modest hit. The second one was indeed just a modest hit at $82m domestic.

 

[JackMercy]

Yeah, maybe, but Welling did not want to play Superman.

Why does this "idea" persist?

It is simply not true.

But, believe what you want...

 

[Mr. Thing]

It is simply not true.

Er, he kinda said it himself in a interview.

 

[Sverdlovski]

Er, he kinda said it himself in a interview.

In various interviews...

 

[patrickbateman]

well i'm in india and they all thing that the new superman is tom welling cause smallville is big over here

 

[Nivek]

In various interviews...

Needless to say, he's been very vocal about it.

I dont know why some fans are Figuratively putting their fingers in their ears and scream "Nooo! It's not true! Stop lying!!".

enough already, just get over it, you still have him on that show....





... unless the movie is a huge hit, and it goes the way of Superboy and Lois and Clark...

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

Needless to say, he's been very vocal about it.

I dont know why some fans are Figuratively putting their fingers in their ears and scream "Nooo! It's not true! Stop lying!!".

enough already, just get over it, you still have him on that show....

... unless the movie is a huge hit, and it goes the way of Superboy and Lois and Clark...

Not a chance. Smallville has something that neither Superboy or Lois and Clark had. It's a Warner Brothers show on a Warner Brothers owned network. Superboy was a viacom show and a show where the Salkinds still owned the rights. It was killed prematurely when Warner Brothers got the rights back. Lois & Clark was pretty much killed by ABC as they kept changing it's time slot, ultimately leaving it on Saturday night. It was doing well enough to have survived to a 5th season had ABC left it alone. Smallville has an advantage that neither of the other shows had. It also has the advantage of the fact that Welling very likely won't be dying anytime soon, which is what prevented The Adventures of Superman continuing, pretty much ensuring that Smallville will win the title of longest running Superman show. Especially when Smallville is one of the WB's highest rated shows.

 

[The Sage]

Not a chance. Smallville has something that neither Superboy or Lois and Clark had. It's a Warner Brothers show on a Warner Brothers owned network. Superboy was a viacom show and a show where the Salkinds still owned the rights. It was killed prematurely when Warner Brothers got the rights back. Lois & Clark was pretty much killed by ABC as they kept changing it's time slot, ultimately leaving it on Saturday night. It was doing well enough to have survived to a 5th season had ABC left it alone. Smallville has an advantage that neither of the other shows had. It also has the advantage of the fact that Welling very likely won't be dying anytime soon, which is what prevented The Adventures of Superman continuing, pretty much ensuring that Smallville will win the title of longest running Superman show. Especially when Smallville is one of the WB's highest rated shows.

You speak the truth!

 

[AgentPat]

...Most of the general movie going public don't know who Welling is either, and having an unknown in the role increases curiosity and makes it more believable...

I love irony. Bravo!

I don't have too many stories to tell. I don't go around promoting the film, but if the subject comes up (I wear a Superman pendant, and sometimes people ask), I'll strike up a conversation. The last one was a few days ago in my local Starbucks, which I hit pretty much every day around lunch time. They were busy at the time, but I came to find out one of the male employees was a fellow Superman fan and was looking forward to seeing the film. His biggest complaint was about the suit. Nuf said there. The other attendant was a woman, and she had No. Idea. there was a Superman film coming out. She overheard our conversation, asked what in blazes we were talking about, we told her, and she - LITERALLY - rolled her eyes. I asked what that was for? Her reply? "Why?" Why what? "Why remake a film that was perfect the way it is?" It's like remaking Star Wars, she said. I was kinda shocked. Totally didn't expect THAT kind of response. She's in her 30's (ish) and not a Superman fan per se, but she mentioned Reeve by name. Yeah, I didn't see that coming either.

My sister in-law's fiancé is a comic reader and knows about SR, but he said he'd wait for the DVD. He's a Batman fan and doesn't care for "the boyscout."

My mom (66 years young) grew up reading comic books. She LOVES Reeve - seen all his films, and LOVES the fact SR is using Brando. She's ecstatic over that, in fact. There is no doubt in my mind she will see SR in the theater at some point, though she waits for films to hit her dollar matinee. Hey, she's a senior citizen and money is tight. Anyhoo... she's very disappointed over one thing. (I must remind folks that she's 66.) She's also a big SV fan. When she saw the SR trailer during Solitude, her only complaint was that it wasn't the "real Superman." Her words, not mine.

Obviously, if people have never seen SV, they aint gonna know the difference. Some people might even *assume* it's the same actor(s) in the film if they've never seen the show. The only people that it might really matter to are folks who are big fans of the show and have a vested appreciation for the show's actors as much as they do their characters. How tall will that hill of beans actually be come June? Pffft. Damn the hell if I know. I am looking forward to finding out though.

I will add one more thing in passing, even though I know it's a point most fanboys on this and other message boards like to ignore. "Eye candy" is more than just awesome visual effects. Women make up half of the potential audience for any film. Christopher Reeve was a stunningly attractive man, and he is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I saw S:TM in the theater three times when I was a teen. I'm 41 y.o. now, and while I consider myself a Superman fan, Welling is w/o a doubt, the MAIN reason I continue to watch SV. Y'all didn't think the female demo watched SV for the Krypto freaks and teen angst angle, didjas? Am I generalizing? Yeah. There was at least one woman on the SV boards who watched the show for Schneider. She's gone now though. Big surprise there. LOL

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day.

 

[true316]

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day.

Yeah I feel bad for poor Brandon Routh. No girls like him.

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=88&pos=7

 

[AgentPat]

Yeah I feel bad for poor Brandon Routh. No girls like him.

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=88&pos=7

I said that I didn't see too many, not that there weren't any at all. And I would HOPE there would be a nice fan contingent - both male and female - on his own fansite. Hello?

But I'm not gonna harp on it. Counter arguments are easily made since the film isn't even out yet, and nobody is gonna care what a "biased" SV fan's opinion on BR is anyway - especially a woman's. LOL I'm used to it. S'kay.

Three months and counting.

 

[Sverdlovski]

After finding out that there are some women that think Daniel Craig is very handsome, I don't doubt anything at all anymore. ANYTHING. AT. ALL.

 

[The Sage]

After finding out that there are some women that think Daniel Craig is very handsome, I don't doubt anything at all anymore. ANYTHING. AT. ALL.

You need to say this as often as possible.

 

[The Sage]

Anyway, I've seen a lot of magazine's referring to SR's new "hunky" Superman - the cod piece articles were a trip - but I don't see too many women oohing and ahhing over BR, either on line, or IRL. The most folks seem to comment on is that he looks like Reeve in some photos, but it's not in a swooning kind of way. Mock these points all you want, but then imagine a young Cloris Leachman cast as Wonder Woman. Cya's on opening day.

Not worry about that. Other than the comment about women finding Daniel Craig very handsome, I also found out not all women are swooning over Christian Bale. There was this girl that with my friends when I saw Batman Begins at the IMAX, and she didn't like Bale. She thought Keaton was more handsome.

So anything's possible.

 

[KrypJonian]

Or maybe from say a top rated TV show that has been on the past 5 years.....
I would hazard to say more people like SV than dislike it and his assesment that more people know Welling is right on because people who watch TV go to movies its not excliusive like you are trying to spin it they would be that general movie going public you mention.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

 

[KrypJonian]

... unless the movie is a huge hit, and it goes the way of Superboy and Lois and Clark...

Why shouldn't it? It went the way of Buffy in it's first two seasons....

Far as I'm concerned, it already has gone the way of SB and L&C

 

[KaptainKrypton]

Every person I know who's seen and commented on the trailer (out of eight total) was very impressed and asked how jazzed I was, with the exception being my best friend and my cousin. My best friend is a picky ex-fanboy from way back (he "grew up" and gave me all his comics five years ago...sucker!), so I wasn't surprised as he didn't like the original Superman movies, either (come to think of it that little dweeb doesn't really like anything except RPGs). My younger cousin is one of those trendy MySpace kids who pretty much makes fun of everything (including my Superman desktop backgrounds ). The remaining people I talked to about it (or told about it) are my co-workers (keep in mind I work at a fitness center so these people are definitely the boring general public type). The first thing two of them asked revolved around who the villain was going to be and also who was to play him. When I responded "Lex Luthor/Kevin Spacey" their reactions were both an uplifting "Really?" Needless to say, some of them hadn't heard about it before and one of my co-workers pokes fun at me for liking Superman and having an "S" tattoo because he dislikes Smallville (as he actually coined the term "Suckville" which I use from time to time), so he might be biased (I also think he's proabably a closet Marvel-lover), but even he was impressed. Overall, everyone seemed to be optimistic. One of my employees that I didn't even talk with initially saw the trailer and came up to me excited about it because he saw it attached to HP and knew I'm such a turbo-nerd.