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[Mentok]

well for starters the WB is going to upset a big chunk of the public who loves Welling, and see's him as Superman already!

Well, thats too bad for them because Welling does not play Superman.

With Routh they piss one section of the fanbase off, and they go a total diffrent direction then logic would say they should go.

I tend to believe Superman fans believe in the Characters not whoever is playing a version of them at the time. Logic does not say they should have gone with Welling anyway.

I have always felt that there should never ever be 2 active human actors playing the same role at the same time... It cheapens the feel of that character... Notice how the WB killed any ideas of the Bruce Wayne show or even him on Smallville once BATMAN BEGINS got Greenlite????

Because they were focusing on a big screen version of BATMAN, that why the Bruse Wayne TV series was canned. As for Bruce Wayne not being on SMALLVILLE, MILLAR said that came down to timelines. Bruce would already be Batman if they were to introduce him to SMALLVILLE and the WB didnt want that.

With Superman they rushed it because they wanted their biggest character to compete with Spiderman,

Look at the time they spend deciding on Singer, look at the pre production timeline, look at the hooting timeline and now look at post production... Nothing about this film was rushed. You want to talk about rushed films? go look at X3

and they got a director who has had back to back hit movies, and as it turns out they were both Superhero movies so they went with plan B...

They went with 'Plan B'? No, After constantly failing at getting the film of the ground Laura Donner suggestd that Singer Go talk with her husband about working on a Superman film. After that he went to WB and they were so impressed with his pitch they set things in motion. Their plan (before singer came onboard) was to ditch the film for now. Singer came in and gave them a whole new outlook.

I hope for the best but honestly they should have ended Smallville, and then make a SUPERMAN movie with the main cast needed... That was the right way to go...

Why? So SMALLVILLE fans could be happy? I hate to tell you but most Superman fans dont like SMALLVILLE. WB would have been stupid to do that.

Brandon said it himself that if he didnt look or sound a little like Chris that he wouldn't even have an acting career... Sorry even he's said it.

Find this exact quote and I will believe you

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

The suit will be a breif glimpse at the end of the series. Nothing more than a fleeting image.

indeed

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

Well, thats too bad for them because Welling does not play Superman.



I tend to believe Superman fans believe in the Characters not whoever is playing a version of them at the time. Logic does not say they should have gone with Welling anyway.



Because they were focusing on a big screen version of BATMAN, that why the Bruse Wayne TV series was canned. As for Bruce Wayne not being on SMALLVILLE, MILLAR said that came down to timelines. Bruce would already be Batman if they were to introduce him to SMALLVILLE and the WB didnt want that.



Look at the time they spend deciding on Singer, look at the pre production timeline, look at the hooting timeline and now look at post production... Nothing about this film was rushed. You want to talk about rushed films? go look at X3



They went with 'Plan B'? No, After constantly failing at getting the film of the ground Laura Donner suggestd that Singer Go talk with her husband about working on a Superman film. After that he went to WB and they were so impressed with his pitch they set things in motion. Their plan (before singer came onboard) was to ditch the film for now. Singer came in and gave them a whole new outlook.



Why? So SMALLVILLE fans could be happy? I hate to tell you but most Superman fans dont like SMALLVILLE. WB would have been stupid to do that.



Find this exact quote and I will believe you

indeed part deux

 

[Mentok]

indeed

And to be honest even that would be too much IMO. I would rather have him pack up his Kryptonian blankets in a backpack and leave Smallville.

That way you give a much better hint at what he is leading into. But they will play to the die hard fans who would rather see him in a cheap costume.

 

[jrd550]

I must admit when rumors came out that Welling may become Supes I was very disappointed, thinking the kid wasn't even worth a look at - the problem was that I hadn't seen Smallville yet - and once I did I actually liked Welling a lot and the series too... the problem is that Welling plays Clark Kent at a different stage in his life than Brandon will and I will always associate Welling with the Smallville Clark Kent... hopefully the series will last a while and Tom will actually be able to become Superman and the series can live on fom there - I am happy the movie and show are different universes.

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

I agree. then again, personally I'd rather the show be canceled at the end of this season and we can all forget the travesty this show has become. Hell, they should have ended it with him walking into the fortress. The Fortress is enough of his destiny to get the point.

 

[Max]

Ever hear of Superboy Pre-Crisis comics?


How exactly is this contradicting Dnsk's post? You basically explained exactly why Welling is uninterested in playing Superman. Congratulations. You undermined your own rebuttal.

Go read my post and the quote I was responding to and then come back and give me a sensible argument.

Also, not everyone reads comic books. I have no clue about Superboy Pre-Crisis, which is why I invited correcting in my post - another point you missed. Does he wear the suit as "Superboy?" I don't know that either.

My post was a direct response to what I specifically quoted. Like I said, go reread it and come back with some an intelligent response. Thanks.

 

[skruloos]

My post was a direct response to what I specifically quoted. Like I said, go reread it and come back with some an intelligent response. Thanks.

Go ahead and re-read your own post. You were trying to post a rebuttal yet you defeated it in your last paragraph. Yes, Superman will wear the suit IN THE LAST EPISODE. He's not going to be playing Superman much at all, is he? If he were actually interested in wearing the suit they'd put him in the suit. But that's not what the show is about and not why Welling joined the show.

You yourself explained it quite well. You explained exactly WHY Welling would not want to do the role as an actor. You made it quite clear. Wearing the suit comes hand in hand with playing Superman. If he does not want to play Superman, for whatever reasons, then he doesn't want to wear the tights.

Has Welling come out recently and expressed interest in donning the cape and tights at all?

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

Also, not everyone reads comic books. I have no clue about Superboy Pre-Crisis, which is why I invited correcting in my post - another point you missed. Does he wear the suit as "Superboy?" I don't know that either.

skruloos has most of your post covered, but I figured I'd answer your question. In precrisis Martha used the blankets from the ship to create a playsuit for the infant Kal-el. Since the material was invulnerable she coaxed the baby to use his heat vision in order to fray the cloth so she could sew it into the suit. As the baby grew the playsuit grew with him. When he was old enough and the town of Smallville needed him, he and Martha again went and fixed the palysuit into the classic uniform, which continued to grow with Superboy. When he became Superman, he did it wearing the suit he'd always worn when using his powers.

To anyone who'd know, did I leave anything out?

 

[Max]

Go ahead and re-read your own post. You were trying to post a rebuttal yet you defeated it in your last paragraph. Yes, Superman will wear the suit IN THE LAST EPISODE. He's not going to be playing Superman much at all, is he? If he were actually interested in wearing the suit they'd put him in the suit. But that's not what the show is about and not why Welling joined the show.

You yourself explained it quite well. You explained exactly WHY Welling would not want to do the role as an actor. You made it quite clear. Wearing the suit comes hand in hand with playing Superman. If he does not want to play Superman, for whatever reasons, then he doesn't want to wear the tights.

Has Welling come out recently and expressed interest in donning the cape and tights at all?

Holy crap, do I need to explain how to read a post in context. For the record: Welling Never said he would not wear the suit because he wouldn't put on the tights. The costume, itself, had nothing to do with it.

GO REREAD IT AGAIN. In fact, don't reread it. I can't waste my time explaining it to you.

 

[Max]

skruloos has most of your post covered, but I figured I'd answer your question. In precrisis Martha used the blankets from the ship to create a playsuit for the infant Kal-el. Since the material was invulnerable she coaxed the baby to use his heat vision in order to fray the cloth so she could sew it into the suit. As the baby grew the playsuit grew with him. When he was old enough and the town of Smallville needed him, he and Martha again went and fixed the palysuit into the classic uniform, which continued to grow with Superboy. When he became Superman, he did it wearing the suit he'd always worn when using his powers.

To anyone who'd know, did I leave anything out?

Thank you, I didn't know about that. However, it still sounds like he was wearing a suit at some point in this comic version. Correct? Was there ever a version where it was just Clark Kent where there was no costume ever worn? Just him and his parents and his life in Smallville?

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

Thank you, I didn't know about that. However, it still sounds like he was wearing a suit at some point in this comic version. Correct? Was there ever a version where it was just Clark Kent where there was no costume ever worn? Just him and his parents and his life in Smallville?

yes, in precrisis mythology, Superboy existed fully costumed. I believe the only version of Superman in pre crisis where he was never Superboy, was the Superman of Earth 2. But I could be wrong. I'm by no means the most knowledgable on the subject.

here's a picture of precrisis Superboy:

 

[skruloos]

Holy crap, do I need to explain how to read a post in context. For the record: Welling Never said he would not wear the suit because he wouldn't put on the tights. The costume, itself, had nothing to do with it.

GO REREAD IT AGAIN. In fact, don't reread it. I can't waste my time explaining it to you.

And read the part where I said that wearing the tights goes hand in hand with playing the character of Superman. Thus, if he does not want to play the character of Superman, he doesn't want to wear the tights.

You're arguing semantics. Welling does not want to play the character. That's the only point any of the other posters made. You took it too literally. Maybe you should have read those posts in context.

 

[Max]

yes, in precrisis mythology, Superboy existed fully costumed. I believe the only version of Superman in pre crisis where he was never Superboy, was the Superman of Earth 2. But I could be wrong. I'm by no means the most knowledgable on the subject.

here's a picture of precrisis Superboy:

Thanks again. So, it would appear that there has never been a version of any story of just Clark Kent, sans costume, ever told in Superman lore until Smallville, correct?

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

So, it would appear that there has never been a version of any story of just Clark Kent

Nope as far as I know this Story in Smallville is pretty much the first of its kind. Which is I believe one of the reasons when Welling found out what it was about after he made his assumptions he acceppted the role because it was new & different & NOT about Superman.

 

[Max]

Nope as far as I know this Story in Smallville is pretty much the first of its kind. Which is I believe one of the reasons when Welling found out what it was about after he made his assumptions he acceppted the role because it was new & different & NOT about Superman.

Which is exactly what I explained in my post. Thank you, Dnsk. I thought I was losing my mind.

Well, it's late, and I'm off to snooze.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

I really hope before the Show is over Welling does some Online Chat then I would jump at the chance to ask him in his own Words clear this mess up once & for all

 

[TheSuperBatFan]

Thanks again. So, it would appear that there has never been a version of any story of just Clark Kent, sans costume, ever told in Superman lore until Smallville, correct?

pretty much what Smallville attempted to do was combine pre crisis with post crisis, with very mixed results. Post Crisis Clark Kent lived a normal life in Smallville. The only thing out of the ordinary in his childhood post crisis was the emergance of his superpowers. There were no freaks. There was nothing science fiction. It was just the normal life of a boy growing up in the mid western United States. Pre crisis however, was the age of Superboy. Clark Kent grew up saving Smallville from crime and monsters just as Superman does for Metropolis. Essentially what the producers of Smallville did was take Superboy, remove his costume, and for that matter, his ability to fly, and have him continue to serve as Superboy, only in a post crisis world.

 

[skruloos]

Thank you, I didn't know about that. However, it still sounds like he was wearing a suit at some point in this comic version. Correct? Was there ever a version where it was just Clark Kent where there was no costume ever worn? Just him and his parents and his life in Smallville?

What difference does the suit make? Whether in costume or not, he was still Clark Kent and followed his adventures as a teenager.

 

[skruloos]

Clark Kent grew up saving Smallville from crime and monsters just as Superman does for Metropolis. Essentially what the producers of Smallville did was take Superboy, remove his costume, and for that matter, his ability to fly, and have him continue to serve as Superboy, only in a post crisis world.

Exactly. I don't know why Max is hung up on the costume. Smallville is essentially pre-Crisis Superboy right down to establishing a relationship between Luthor and Superboy at an early age.

 

[Triano]

he's hung up on the costume because without it, there's no secondary identity to protect clark kent when he's in smallville. suddenly it's not superboy into superman, it's lois lane and perry white and lex luthor knowing about non-bumbling clark kent and all this weirdo stuff, and then clark kent goes to metropolis and all this crazy stuff happens, but when he turns into non-bumbling superman and looks/acts EXACTLY as he did in smallville, lex luthor's not going to forget who his best friend was and what he looked like. neither would lois lane, star reporter.

smallville sucks because it's ridiculous. superboy sucks because it's implausible. neither should be a part of the lasting superman mythos, and i have a hunch they won't be.

 

[Scooter]

In all fairness, Superman, in any incarnation, is ridiculous. I mean, let's not forget, we're talking about a 6'3" alien who flies around in bright red underwear.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

In all fairness, Superman, in any incarnation, is ridiculous. I mean, let's not forget, we're talking about a 6'3" alien who flies around in bright red underwear.

I prefer the term "trunks" dude.

 

[Mentok]

WB have to play to the bigger audience anyway. Thats why we are not getting SMALLVILLE - THE MOVIE.

Far more people know about SUPERMAN and are fans of him than people who watch SMALLVILLE.

 

[Milkman95]

WB have to play to the bigger audience anyway. Thats why we are not getting SMALLVILLE - THE MOVIE.

Far more people know about SUPERMAN and are fans of him than people who watch SMALLVILLE.

That's true, but now they're attempting to cash in twice on the character, which they will end up doing.