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Sudan arrests British teacher for naming bear Mohammed

Nice, avoid the question. Misdirection serves you well. When was the last time that a group of muslims came out against the radicals?
That was not misdirection, I was making fun of your really bad typing there.

As far as your question, it's not worth answering because you are just as capable of finding out as I am.

In MY personal experience, the last time I saw a Muslim leader denouncing radical, violent Islam was on a show on PBS that's on early Sunday mornings.
I can't remember what it's called or exactly how many weeks ago I saw it.


So what can I do, since I've seen many Muslims protesting, and speaking out and calling for peace and denouncing the violent arm of Islam, but these events have been scattered throughout the past 6 years and I didn't think to jot down all the specifics to someday use the info here?

Google is my only recourse.

So, hmmm....I don't follow this stuff. There are many people who are famous to Muslims that I am not familiar with.
So, what do I type? :huh:

I'll try, "Muslims Speaking Out Against Radical Islam" *shrug*


Let's see what results I get:

Arab journalist attacks radical Islam


By Magdi Abdelhadi
BBC World Service Arab affairs analyst
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The article was provoked by reflections on the tragic Russian school siege

A leading Saudi journalist has caused a stir by launching a scathing attack on Muslim clerics who justify the killing of innocent civilians in the name of jihad, or holy war.
In an editorial on the hostage crisis in Beslan, Abdelrahman al-Rashid, the managing director of the satellite channel al-Arabiya, wrote: "It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims."
He laid the blame for Islamist violence around the world on radical Muslim clerics, whom he accused of hijacking what is essentially a peace-loving and tolerant faith.







Jordan's Queen Rania speaks against radical Islam

Jordan's Queen Rania said, during a conference in Saudi Arabia: "We must deal with the frightening reality that most of the terror operations in recent years have been carried out by individuals claiming to be acting in the name of Islam... It is our moral responsibility to oppose the violent and extremist voices that are emerging from our home."







Wafa Sultan Speaks Out Against Radical Islam

This is a great video going around the web right now, and I wanted to share it with you all because I feel that this Psychologist, Wafa Sultan, makes some excellent points in this video. It is refreshing to see an Syrian (interestingly, she's from Damascus) born, former Sunni speaking out against radical Islam As always, feel free to share your thoughts.



Moderate Muslims Speak out Against Extremism
Aired March 5, 2007 - 19:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

GLENN BECK, HOST: Tonight -- I` at a conference where Muslims are saying the things that Americans have wanted to hear since 9/11. They are trying to change Islam from within. Do not miss this next hour of honest questions and passionate debate. The fight for Islam next.
Tonight, from St. Petersburg, Florida, I` here for the secular Islam summit. And when I arrived yesterday, I really had no idea what to expect. People have come here literally from all over the world. Even more extraordinary, some have had to cancel due to threats on their life. It is a convention of fatwas.

But the one thing that people here have in common, and let me tell you something, they don`t have a lot in common. They don`t agree on a lot. Is that terrorism and violence in the name of Allah must stop.





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Moderate Muslims Speak Out, But Not on PBS
By Kevin Mooney
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
April 25, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - Islamists are working to build "parallel societies" with the aim of imposing strict Islamic law in parts of the West, according to a documentary the Public Broadcasting Service has chosen not to air.

"Islam vs. Islamists: Voices from the Muslim Center" highlights the work of moderate Muslims who oppose the Islamist agenda and are willing to speak out. PBS officials decided against airing the film, which PBS's Robert MacNeil told the Diane Rehm Show earlier this month was "one-sided" and "alarmist."

Some of the key Muslim figures featured in the documentary believe PBS is practicing censorship and doing a disservice to the American public. The film, which was supposed to be part of a PBS series, cost taxpayers more than $600,000.

"Jihad is here. We must wage jihad against the enemies of Allah here. The enemies of Allah are in our midst. They claim to be Muslims, although they are as far as can be from Islam. They call themselves 'reformists' or 'preachers,' and say that we support the West. They are hostile to us on these grounds. Yet at the same time, the Westerners and others claim that we are the birthplace of these people. Where are we? Why don't we tell these people who we are? Why don't we argue with them, discuss things with them? Why don't we respond to everything they say? Why don't we restrict the ignorant among us, or even those who think they are Islamic scholars?"

[...]

"The enemies of the Muslims have used Muslims and Arabs to corrupt Islam and the Arabs. I don't think any of you present denies this fact."

[...]

"Is it not an insult to Islam in general that someone so plain and worthless like Osama bin Laden is considered important? Does anyone accept this? Not only is he worthless, but he is an agent. He was an agent of foreign intelligence agencies, and he still is - him and those who support him. Who established Al-Qaeda?"

[...]

"Al-Qaeda has taken advantage of bin Laden's money, and they put him in the forefront, because he is affiliated with the Saudi kingdom. Even though he is from another country, he received Saudi citizenship. Who is Al-Zawahiri? We must ask ourselves, Who is Abdallah 'Azzam, the spiritual father of these people?"​
The speaker?

Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef bin Abd Al-'Aziz.














I mean, the fact is, there's nothing any of them could say that would satisfy you people. You just want an excuse to hate Islam, because it's really fun to have a nice, simple, tidy little bundle of "enemy" to blame s*** on.

As for the frequency, I could say the same thing about Christianity.
I know for a fact that every Christian here is against the Vatican protecting priests that molest children.
Well, when's the last time they held a press conference to denounce it?
When the last time Cell Dog organized a rally to stop the Vatican from doing this?
Why wasn't I invited? :(
 
Okay then.....since we're asking questions. Why is this religion of peace so unpeaceful??

This is not an isolated incident. The cartoons of Mohammed got the death threats going.

Oh....it's just a few fundamentals right?? The few are controlling the millions of other moderate Muslims around the world.


Why are the peace loving Muslims around the world strangely silent on this poor woman's behalf?? Why aren't they screaming out....."STOP THIS CRAP! CALM THE HECK DOWN AND STOP DRAGGING OUR FAITH THRU THE MUD!??

There are no Muslims speaking out against this publicly. No marches or protests.

Why???

Yes, please tell me the last time there was Mulsims that where Moderates that came out crying about the injustices the Radicals are doing all over the world.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1136308


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/29/europe/britain.php

Just two examples. You can research more if you two are really interested, which I suspect you're not. I certainly cannot change a person's mind once they have set it to believe a certain way nor do I really care at this point.

The media really isn't big in reporting how Muslims speak out against the radicals and extermists or the positive things that Muslims do.

Doesn't really sell newspapers or drive up T.V. ratings you know.

Plus it sure helps to demonise Muslims when you are drumming up support in invading Muslim lands like Afgahnistian, Iraq, and on the U.S. wish list; Iran. Of course there are a lot of backward thinking Muslims in the world that makes it easy for the media to blame Islam as a whole.

Funny, that most of these fanatics and backwardness doesn't come from the U.S. and other western countries. I and many Muslims born in the U.S. don't have the burden of a warped mindset that has been produced by hundred of years on colonialism.

I'm sure that being from third world countries where there are Western sponsored dictators and oppressive regimes who exploit the Muslim masses, deny them education, discriminate against women and people from a particular economic and social status and enforce a Government sponsored version of Islam with radical Imams on the State payroll who would be killed for preaching anything other than its interpretation has nothing to do with the way they think and act or a better word would be react.

I mean why should many of these Muslims in third world countries hate the U.S. merely because we are best of friends with corrupt dictators like Mushariff in Pakistan and the Royal family in Saudi Arabia and we support them in spite of countless human rights violations that everyone knows about except it seems the current Bush Administration and virtually every administration the U.S. has every had at least since 1927 who have conveniently turned a blind eye.

Yes there have been many Muslims over the centuries who have done some bad things in the name of Allah (arabic name for God) but it seems as though many of those acts are not done by the common person but by those in power.

Of course Muslims aren't the only ones guilty of atrocities as acknowledge by these Christian leaders:

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=23280


All in all, I don't let others Islamophobics brainwash me into believing that I am guilty by association.

Yes I'm a Muslim and I'm not going to apologize for it. These ignorant zealots don't speak for me nor do they act on my behalf. I was taught Islam not be immigrants but by American Muslim converts who have become scholars in the religion and are not under the influence of the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

Islam doesn't have a Pope or a central authority and though Western Muslims do speak out against the radicals in our religion, we essentially have no power or influence over them except to be an example of how to practice the religion in the correct way.

I feel horrible that many of the world's Muslims don't have the correct knowledge and understanding of Islam that I have been fortunate to obtain for if I had not, I would probably be agnostic.

Those that claim to be religious have given Religion as a whole a real bad name but hypocrisy is not confined to just Islam is it Memphis?
 
You know what im feeling like doing? Ditching my current SHH! account to switch it in for "Mohammed" and once i reach 300 posts ill get an image of mohammed. But i dont know, i love watchmen so much. What do you guys think?
 

I mean, the fact is, there's nothing any of them could say that would satisfy you people. You just want an excuse to hate Islam, because it's really fun to have a nice, simple, tidy little bundle of "enemy" to blame s*** on.


As for the frequency, I could say the same thing about Christianity.
I know for a fact that every Christian here is against the Vatican protecting priests that molest children.
Well, when's the last time they held a press conference to denounce it?
When the last time Cell Dog organized a rally to stop the Vatican from doing this?
Why wasn't I invited? :(

That is the God to honest truth right there. I don't really like debating with those who are unreasonable and are blinded by there disdain for Islam.

Its like beating you head against a wall.

Thanks Wilhelm. You did a better job than my attempt.
 
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1136308


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/29/europe/britain.php

Just two examples. You can research more if you two are really interested, which I suspect you're not. I certainly cannot not change a person's mind once they have set it to believe a certain way nor do I really care at this point.

The media really isn't big in reporting how Muslims speak out against the radicals and extermists or the positive things that Muslims do.

Doesn't really sell newspapers or drive up T.V. ratings you know.

Plus it sure helps to demonise Muslims when you are drumming up support in the invading Muslim lands like Afgahnistian, Iraq, and on the wish list; Iran. Of course there are alot of backward thinking Muslims in the world that make it easy for the media to blame Islam as a whole.

Funny, that most of these fanatics and backwardness doesn't come from Muslims from the U.S. and western countries. I don't have the burden of a warped mindset that has been produced by hundred of years on colonialism.

I'm sure that being from third world countries where there are Western sponsored dictators and oppressive regimes who exploit the Muslim masses, deny them education, discriminate against women and people from a particular status and enforce a Government sponsored version of Islam with radical Imams on the State payroll who would be killed for preaching any other interpretation has nothing to do with it.

I mean why should many of these Muslims in third world countries hate the U.S. merely because we are best of friends with corrupt dictators like Mushariff in Pakistan and the Royal family in Saudi Arabia and we support them in countless human rights violations that everyone knows about except it seems the current Bush Administration and virtually every administration the U.S. has every had at least since 1927 who conveniently turn a blind eye.

Yes there have been many Muslims over the centuries have done some bad things over the years in the name of religion but it seems as though many of those acts are not done by the common person but by those in power.

Of course Muslims aren't the only ones guilty of atrocities as acknowledge by these Christian leaders:

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=23280


All in all, I don't let others Islamophobics brainwash me into believing that I am guilty by association.

Yes I'm a Muslim and I'm not going to apologize for it. These ignorant zealots don't speak for me nor do they act on my behalf. I was taught Islam not be immigrants but by American Muslim converts who have become scholars in the religion and are not under the influence of the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

Islam doesn't have a Pope or a central authority and though Western Muslims do speak out against the radicals in our religion, we essential have no power or influence over them except to be an example of how to practice the religion in the correct way.

I feel horrible that many of the world's Muslims don't have the correct knowledge and understanding of Islam that I have been fortunate to obtain for if I had not, I would probably be agnostic.

Those that claim to be religious have given Religion as a whole a real bad name but hypocrisy is not confined to just Islam is it Memphis?
Owned...again.

Jesus, I mean...wow.

SupermanBeyond, Memphis Slim, I...uh...do you guys want some vaseline or something? That kind of reaming can't be pleasant. :csad:
 
The media really isn't big in reporting how Muslims speak out against the radicals and extermists or the positive things that Muslims do.

Doesn't really sell newspapers or drive up T.V. ratings you know.

Did you see that one I posted, where PBS wouldn't ALLOW them to air the thing denouncing the violent radicals because they said it was too "one-sided" ?
 
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quote=raybia;13375847]http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1136308


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/29/europe/britain.php

Just two examples. You can research more if you two are really interested, which I suspect you're not. I certainly cannot not change a person's mind once they have set it to believe a certain way nor do I really care at this point.

The media really isn't big in reporting how Muslims speak out against the radicals and extermists or the positive things that Muslims do.

Doesn't really sell newspapers or drive up T.V. ratings you know.

Plus it sure helps to demonise Muslims when you are drumming up support in the invading Muslim lands like Afgahnistian, Iraq, and on the wish list; Iran. Of course there are alot of backward thinking Muslims in the world that make it easy for the media to blame Islam as a whole.

Funny, that most of these fanatics and backwardness doesn't come from Muslims from the U.S. and western countries. I don't have the burden of a warped mindset that has been produced by hundred of years on colonialism.

I'm sure that being from third world countries where there are Western sponsored dictators and oppressive regimes who exploit the Muslim masses, deny them education, discriminate against women and people from a particular status and enforce a Government sponsored version of Islam with radical Imams on the State payroll who would be killed for preaching any other interpretation has nothing to do with it.

I mean why should many of these Muslims in third world countries hate the U.S. merely because we are best of friends with corrupt dictators like Mushariff in Pakistan and the Royal family in Saudi Arabia and we support them in countless human rights violations that everyone knows about except it seems the current Bush Administration and virtually every administration the U.S. has every had at least since 1927 who conveniently turn a blind eye.

Yes there have been many Muslims over the centuries have done some bad things over the years in the name of religion but it seems as though many of those acts are not done by the common person but by those in power.

Of course Muslims aren't the only ones guilty of atrocities as acknowledge by these Christian leaders:

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=23280


All in all, I don't let others Islamophobics brainwash me into believing that I am guilty by association.

Yes I'm a Muslim and I'm not going to apologize for it. These ignorant zealots don't speak for me nor do they act on my behalf. I was taught Islam not be immigrants but by American Muslim converts who have become scholars in the religion and are not under the influence of the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia.

Islam doesn't have a Pope or a central authority and though Western Muslims do speak out against the radicals in our religion, we essential have no power or influence over them except to be an example of how to practice the religion in the correct way.

I feel horrible that many of the world's Muslims don't have the correct knowledge and understanding of Islam that I have been fortunate to obtain for if I had not, I would probably be agnostic.

Those that claim to be religious have given Religion as a whole a real bad name but hypocrisy is not confined to just Islam is it Memphis?[/quote]
The teacher is "British". British Muslims are speaking out.
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Any voices coming out of the mideast? The U.S. ??? Canada??

Only Catholics answer to a Pope. Protestants don't. So there is no "central authority" for Christian Evangelicals. The Bible is the central authority for instruction. And as many times as Jesus has been lambasted,by haters, they seem to be under control just fine.


And no...hyprocrisy isn't just found in one religion. But violence or just hostile tendencies (like this situation) seem to be. And if I had to choose between violence or hypocrisy, guess which one I choose.

As far as tags like Islamaphobic are concerned.....Ray....babe.....if this kind of over-the-top stuff is always going down in Islam, how is the western world suppose to feel?? good greif.......If you tell them it is a violent religion, they respond with,"I will kill you for saying that!"
 
And no...hyprocrisy isn't just found in one religion. But violent or just hostile tendencies (like this situation) seem to be. And if I had to choose between violence or hypocrisy, guess which one I choose.
If you're implying that violent/hostile tendencies are only found in Islam, then you must be joking. :dry:

We'll just conveniently ignore the blatant militaristic history and present tendencies of Christianity, right? What you're essentially saying is that we can simply ignore the Christians that bomb abortion clinics and incite violence against those who don't share their beliefs.

All religions have these people, Slim. To say that yours is completely without fault in this case is completely ridiculous.
 
That was not misdirection, I was making fun of your really bad typing there.

As far as your question, it's not worth answering because you are just as capable of finding out as I am.
Yup. Turn on the news. Pick up a paper. Read Time. Use Google. Not a day goes by that I don't come across some poor Muslims pisses at all the violence in the world associated with them by ignorant Americans.

Hey Wil, do you do any sound effects for the movies? Just curious, considering your name.
 
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The teacher is "British". British Muslims are speaking out.
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Any voices coming out of the mideast? The U.S. ??? Canada??




Slim, the teacher is British so of course its going to be British Muslims who first and foremost are going to speak out. However this wasn't your original question. You claimed that NO Muslims were speaking out. You are really grasping for straws trying to demonise Muslims and in the process you merely expose your own phobia and bias towards us.

Suggestion: Stop watching so much Fox News and learning about Islam from all of the Internet hate groups.


That would be like a white person going to BET and the KKK website to learn about black people and come away thinking they are now an expert.

Try learning about the religion from scholarly sources and I will give you a break. They don't even have to be Muslim scholars.

You could learn a great deal just from U.S. and Western non-Muslim scholars. Karen Armstrong and John L. Esposito are two notable ones.


Anyway, you are wrong again as its not just British Muslims speaking out.


This is my point. You talk before thinking and you talk based on preconceived notions rather than the facts.

With very little effort you could have found the answer to your question before you asked it...Or perhaps you already knew the answer and are merely doing what the media does: assuming that the masses are too ignorant and brainwashed to know the other side of the argument and to question what they hear about Muslims and Islam from the media.

I'll let you do the research about the voices coming out of Canada and as far as the Middle East, well I think they are a little preoccupied with their situation at the moment.


Free Gillian Gibbons
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The Sudanese government has just convicted Gillian Gibbons, a teacher at Unity School in Khartoum, with insulting religion for naming a class teddy bear "Muhammad." Her sentence is 15 days in prison.

The American Islamic Congress, a Muslim-American civil rights organization, is demanding that Ms. Gibbons be freed at once. The sad legacy of the Danish cartoon riots is that we have to speak out immediately when extremists try to provoke clashes over trivial matters.

We believe all people of conscience - regardless of their religion - must speak out in this case. This is not about cultural sensitivities. There is no excuse for someone to be jailed over a teddy bear's name.

28 people have sent letters as part of this campaign


28 individuals have sent letters as part of this campaign. The following is a list of those people who have chosen to make their participation public:

* Jesse Sage
* Nasser Weddady
* Amr Mansour
* Abderrahmane Mohamed Mahmoud
* AbdelNasser Ould Ethmane
* Rachid Gueitana
* Mariam Ajjaj
* Joseph Santamour Jr.
* Laurie Revill
* Jerry Koerber
* Sana Saeed
* peg parr
* John Pigos
* Kareem Aslani
* Walter Braun
* Janice H. Mitchell
* peter buchanan
* lee cascarino
* Elizabeth Day
* Edmund Wright
* Patrick Strange
* Ali Raza
* Merle Hamilton
* Lina Vincent
* Lissa Fischer
* Khalid Lum




http://www.aicongress.org/bear2.html


Only Catholics answer to a Pope. Protestants don't. So there is no "central authority" for Christian Evangelicals. The Bible is the central authority for instruction. And as many times as Jesus has been lambasted,by haters, they seem to be under control just fine.

Thats my point. You acknowledge that Christian is not one big happy family with different denominations. Just like the Protestants have no influence over the Catholics nor does American and western Muslims have any real influence over Muslims in many of the hot spots around the global but you want to hold Islam to a different standard.

Well Muslims worldwide are not one big happy family either.

DO YOU REALIZE THAT THE 1.3 BILLION MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE THOUGH WE CLAIM THE SAME FAITH, HAVE DRASTIC CULTURAL DIFFERENCES; DIFFERENCES THAT CAN AND DO SHAPE THE WAY WE THINK, ACT AND REACT?

Islam has many different denominations too which we call "schools of thought" and offshoot sects.

While the Bible is the central authority for instruction in Christianity, the interpretation of the actual Bible varies greatly between denominations so there is no consensus among Christian about the Bible no more than there is a consensus of the Quran among Muslims.

As far as your comment about Christians being under control, you are really living in LA LA Land.

No offense to Christians but the history of Christian is one of most violent episodes in human history. Two examples: Crusades and the Inquisition. Do your unbiased research and you will find countless examples.

Also don't forget that Hitler was Christian and so was Timothy McVey.

And if a nation's religious identity is based on the sheer number of adherents living in that country then the U.S. would be considered a Christian country.

Name the only nation on Earth to actually use Nukes?

Name the country that actually went to war with another sovereign nation on false pretenses?

Guess which country gave them the items in the first place to justify their invasion?

Stop wearing rose color glasses with your religion while condemning mine.



And no...hyprocrisy isn't just found in one religion. But violence or just hostile tendencies (like this situation) seem to be. And if I had to choose between violence or hypocrisy, guess which one I choose.

Sorry Slim but your religion is guilt of both, just like mine.

As far as tags like Islamaphobic are concerned.....Ray....babe.....if this kind of over-the-top stuff is always going down in Islam, how is the western world suppose to feel?? good greif.......If you tell them it is a violent religion, they respond with,"I will kill you for saying that!"

Let me rephrase your question: "Ray...babe...if this kind of over-the-top stuff is always going down in organized religion, how is the world suppose to feel??

I'll answer that for you.

The world will look at religion as opium for the masses and people who think and act self-righteous like you about their religion merely adds fuel to the fire.

Let me end with an article about a wise man I greatly respect that can sum up this post much better than what I can.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5tuhCZwd9FMdCxdzBzulPYPUy0AD8T7IDA80
 
Did you see that one I posted, where PBS wouldn't ALLOW them to air the thing denouncing the violent radicals because they said it was too "one-sided" ?

LOL! Too "one-sided"! Ain't that a b**ch!!!

Yeah I saw it.


This also reminds me of the U.S. occupation of Iraq. The media would have us to believe that we as a nation are in full support and there is no dissents, no protesting or demonstrations but I know for a fact that they are taking place all of the time.
 
If you're implying that violent/hostile tendencies are only found in Islam, then you must be joking. :dry:

We'll just conveniently ignore the blatant militaristic history and present tendencies of Christianity, right? What you're essentially saying is that we can simply ignore the Christians that bomb abortion clinics and incite violence against those who don't share their beliefs.

All religions have these people, Slim. To say that yours is completely without fault in this case is completely ridiculous.

Bravo, bravo!!
 
So, the teacher was convicted of insulting religion, and cleared of incitement to religious hatred and showing contempt to religious beliefs
Stpid Muslims and their stupid sharia law, right?

Except the same things are crimes in Britain, thanks to that nice Mr Tony Blair. Virtually his final act as PM was to change our race relations laws to include religion. Its only a couple of months old.

In Eire,Abortion is illegal. (heavily catholic country) there are constant and regular attempts by the government to repeal an element of the abortion act that allows suicidal women to get an abortion, usually using the excuse that women will “pretend” to be suicidal.(the last attempt was in 2002)
The only reason the irish currently have this element in law?
Back in 1992, a 14 year old girl was raped. The rape made her pregnant. She was prevented by law from having an abortion, so a 14 year old rape victim had to take the Government to court (and ended up in the irish supreme court) to have an abortion.
SAhe enbded up travelling to the UK for one. Why? Cos when the supreme court said she could, the irish government said they prosecute any irish Dr that did it.At one point, until the outcry spread across most of Europe, they threatened to prevent her from travelling to the UK for it as well.

So, I would say that Muslims ain’t the only idiots when it comes to some faith based laws, wouldn’t you?
 
Muslim Council of Great Britain, an organisation you don't normally associate with religious tolerance, has condemned the Sudanese over this.

Pretty much every Muslim in the UK has said it was stupid and she should never of been arrested in the first place.
 
If you're implying that violent/hostile tendencies are only found in Islam, then you must be joking. :dry:

We'll just conveniently ignore the blatant militaristic history and present tendencies of Christianity, right? What you're essentially saying is that we can simply ignore the Christians that bomb abortion clinics and incite violence against those who don't share their beliefs.

All religions have these people, Slim. To say that yours is completely without fault in this case is completely ridiculous.

Who said that the church has no faults or has never done bad things? Not me. BUT........
Do you see churches rioting in the streets when someone blasphems Jesus? Do you see Kathy Griffin with a death sentence on her head? And oh here we go again with the Crusades. :dry: Dude...if you gotta go back 1200 years to find militaristic aggression by the church, then the church has obviously been doing very well.
With Islam, I don't have to open a "HISTORY BOOK". It seems that I can open today's newspaper!! Look at the subject we're talking about "RIGHT NOW"!

So cut the comparisons. Those stopped centuries ago!! Something is wrong in the Islamic kitchen. I just want the moderates to take control of their faith.

This teddy bear incident is just too much!!!!!!!!
 
AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN NAME THE FRIGGIN' TEDDY BEAR! THE KIDS DID!


It almost seems like they were looking for an excuse to harass a westerner.
 
Who said that the church has no faults or has never done bad things? Not me. BUT........
Do you see churches rioting in the streets when someone blasphems Jesus? Do you see Kathy Griffin with a death sentence on her head? And oh here we go again with the Crusades. :dry: Dude...if you gotta go back 1200 years to find militaristic aggression by the church, then the church has obviously been doing very well.
With Islam, I don't have to open a "HISTORY BOOK". It seems that I can open today's newspaper!! Look at the subject we're talking about "RIGHT NOW"!

So cut the comparisons. Those stopped centuries ago!! Something is wrong in the Islamic kitchen. I just want the moderates to take control of their faith.

This teddy bear incident is just too much!!!!!!!!

you really dont know how to research, do you?

ever heard of the christian terrorist and insurgecy group, the Lord's resistance Army?

here is some help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

and cos, as well all know, the Wiki isnt reliable:

from globalsecurity.org


The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) , led by Joseph Kony, operated in the north from bases in southern Sudan. The LRA committed numerous abuses and atrocities, including the abduction, rape, maiming, and killing of civilians, including children. In addition to destabilising northern Uganda from bases in Sudan, the LRA congregated in the Bunia area in eastern Congo. They linked up with the Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR) and other rebel groups battling with forces from the Rally for Congolese Democracy (RCD)

Some accused the Sudan of supporting the LRA and Uganda of allegedly supporting the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA), the rebel movement that fought against the Sudanese government. Although both governments denied the accusations, they severed diplomatic relations with eachother on April 22, 1995. However, relations between the two countries improved. In 1999, Sudan and Uganda signed an agreement under which Sudan said it would stop aiding the LRA and Uganda would stop aiding the SPLA.

The LRA continued to kill, torture, maim, rape, and abduct large numbers of civilians, virtually enslaving numerous children. Although its levels of activity diminished somewhat compared with 1997, the area that the LRA targeted grew. The LRA sought to overthrow the Ugandan Government and inflicted brutal violence on the population in northern Uganda. LRA forces also targeted local government officials and employees. The LRA also targeted international humanitarian convoys and local NGO workers.

The LRA has abducted large numbers of civilians for training as guerrillas; most victims were children and young adults. The LRA abducted young girls as sex and labor slaves. Other children, mainly girls, were reported to have been sold, traded, or given as gifts by the LRA to arms dealers in Sudan. While some later escaped or were rescued, the whereabouts of many children remain unknown.

In particular, the LRA abducted numerous children and, at clandestine bases, terrorized them into virtual slavery as guards, concubines, and soldiers. In addition to being beaten, raped, and forced to march until exhausted, abducted children were forced to participate in the killing of other children who had attempted to escape. Amnesty International reported that without child abductions, the LRA would have few combatants. More than 6,000 children were abducted during 1998, although many of those abducted later escaped or were released. Most human rights NGOs place the number of abducted children still held captive by the LRA at around 3,000, although estimates vary substantially.

Civil strife in the north has led to the violation of the rights of many members of the Acholi tribe, which is largely resident in the northern districts of Gulu and Kitgum. Both government forces and the LRA rebels--who themselves largely are Acholi--committed violations. LRA fighters in particular were implicated in the killing, maiming, and kidnaping of Alcholi tribe members, although the number and severity of their attacks decreased somewhat compared with 1997.

The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments. They are notorious for kidnapping children and forcing them to become rebel fighters or concubines. More than one-half-million people in Uganda's Gulu and Kitgum districts have been displaced by the fighting and are living in temporary camps, protected by the army.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm

why do you think the papers you read aint reported on their activities over the last couple of years?
 
Thousands in Sudan Call for British Teddy Bear Teacher's Execution
Friday, November 30, 2007
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Gillian Gibbons

KHARTOUM, Sudan — Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2788,00.html
Calls by FOXNews.com to Sudan's permanent mission to the United Nations were not returned Friday.
The protesters called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."
The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.
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Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.
The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.
Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes — but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.
"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.

Yet, Religion of peace my ass.
 
Who said that the church has no faults or has never done bad things? Not me. BUT........
Do you see churches rioting in the streets when someone blasphems Jesus? Do you see Kathy Griffin with a death sentence on her head? And oh here we go again with the Crusades. :dry: Dude...if you gotta go back 1200 years to find militaristic aggression by the church, then the church has obviously been doing very well.
With Islam, I don't have to open a "HISTORY BOOK". It seems that I can open today's newspaper!! Look at the subject we're talking about "RIGHT NOW"!

So cut the comparisons. Those stopped centuries ago!! Something is wrong in the Islamic kitchen. I just want the moderates to take control of their faith.

This teddy bear incident is just too much!!!!!!!!

you really dont know how to research, do you?

ever heard of the christian terrorist and insurgecy group, the Lord's resistance Army?

here is some help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

and cos, as well all know, the Wiki isnt reliable:

from globalsecurity.org




http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm

why do you think the papers you read aint reported on their activities over the last couple of years?
Wow, Slim...got your ass handed to you yet again in this thread. :up:
 
Friday, November 30, 2007
service_ap_36.gif


Gillian Gibbons

KHARTOUM, Sudan — Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.

Calls by FOXNews.com to Sudan's permanent mission to the United Nations were not returned Friday.
The protesters called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."
The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.
/**/
Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.
The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.
Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes — but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.

"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.

Abdul- Jalil Nazeer just comes across as a ignorant blood first nutjob. These guys didn't want to hear her case they made up their minds as soon as they heard the story and where looking for a scapegoat to poor their anger on becuase they are powerless to do anything outside their own country to westerners.
 
Freaking terrifying.
I'm trapped on a planet of ******ed, blood-thirsty baboons who want to kill me because I won't attend their pretend tea party.

:dry:
 
Freaking terrifying.
I'm trapped on a planet of ******ed, blood-thirsty baboons who want to kill me because I won't attend their pretend tea party.

:dry:
What is terrifying is the fact you can't see that this is what they want to do in this country. Stick up for their behavior, Don't denounce it. It's Ok.
 
What is terrifying is the fact you can't see that this is what they want to do in this country. Stick up for their behavior, Don't denounce it. It's Ok.
You really make an ass of yourself when you make assumptions about someone that you don't know.
Of COURSE they want to do it in this country.
They want WORLDWIDE Theocracy.
Where the f*** did you get the idea that I don't know that?
Please let me know.
 

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