Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - Part 12

[Sleiek]

I love that GIF, not that I hate Marvel, but because it is hilarious.

 

[Napoleon]

I grew, but I think they're going to be two sides to the same coin of the team's name: Slipknot's going to try and cross the Wall and blow up (possibly at the inquisitive instigation of Boomerang), while El Diablo will die from the actual antagonists they will face.

I've also got a pet theory that the reason Croc looks a little chummy with Diablo in the group poster is because the two will gain a fun rapport to flesh out Croc's character a little bit, then when Diablo dies, the audience will actually be rooting for Croc when he gets his hands on his buddy's killer and brutally beats him to death.

That sounds very plausibe.

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[Rowsdower!]

Man, this is awful, but the first thing I thought of when I saw that pic was "school shooting."

 

[Astro13Zombie]

What an itsy bitsy spider.

 

[RockSP]

Better? t:

What a Supes vs. Bats in Bat-armor fight should be like

 

[DeadStroke]

Good stuff from the comment section at BatmanNews

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WiscoJoe • 4 hours ago
"...getting people to act against their own self interests is what I do for a living.”

I think they'll be a neat parallel between Waller and the Joker in terms of how they manipulate and control Harley. Both of them are using Harley for their own means and are clearly skilled at getting her (and others) to act against their own self interests. What side will Harley end up on? Does defeating one mechanism of control mean submitting to another? Will Harley ever truly be free to follow her own self interest, or will she always be stuck in a system that degrades and dehumanizes her? This will probably be the main moral and philosophical question explored in the movie, with a lot of real-world implications and significance.

We are all, at one point or another during our lives, trapped in relationships or jobs or organizations that get us to act against our own self interests, for better or for worse. There is a lot to be explored here between the conflict between individual and communal identities and desires. David Ayer, with his interest and experiences in the military, religion, and gangs will certainly have a lot to say with these characters.

I've been thinking a lot about these themes, especially as they relate to BvS. Suicide Squad is definitely people at the bottom of society. It's easy for Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman to control their own destinies and be "Super Heroes," what with their wealth, and god-like power, and royal lineage. But what happens to meta-humans or costumed vigilantes at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder? How do characters like Deadshot, Harley, or Croc deal with their poverty, or mental illness, or physical deformities, especially when there are more powerful people out there, like Waller or the Joker or Batman, trying to control them, or manipulate them, or imprison them.

 

[regwec]

Yeah, good thoughts.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Good stuff from the comment section at BatmanNews

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This makes me wonder what role Batman will have in all of this. Will he maybe go to Waller and scold her for releasing some of his most dangerous villains back on the streets and feel all his work of catching them and keeping them locked up is being wasted? Or will he be upset at the idea of her using them to create a "Suicide Squad", where she can control them however she likes and aims to dispose of them easily and with no problem if they don't abide by her rules as she sees them as just some low-life, dangerous criminals?

Or perhaps he just shows up because of the Joker only?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, Bats had better have at least one scene confronting Waller about the Squad.

 

[Greenians]

From the trailer, i loved the 'Justice........has a bad side' tagline. Ties in a bit with BvS, which leads into a DC movie Universe. i'm sure you lads seen it too..........

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

... deathstroke?...
lol

 

[Broseph44]

I love how Batman ties in with the Batman v Superman title. Which leads into the DC movie universe. I'm sure you lads seen it....

 

[DeadStroke]

Yeah, Bats had better have at least one scene confronting Waller about the Squad.

Yea we need that scene. I sort of wish Waller had a cameo in BvS. I loved her interactions with Superman on Justice League.

 

[Roderick]

From the trailer, i loved the 'Justice........has a bad side' tagline. Ties in a bit with BvS, which leads into a DC movie Universe. i'm sure you lads seen it too..........

I loved this tagline too, it will be a nice contrast with Dawn of Justice I think. As you said, another building block towards the DCCU.

So excited for the ball to get rolling in this universe.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Yeah, Bats had better have at least one scene confronting Waller about the Squad.

With Viola as Waller, I'm even more excited for this inevitable confrontation. I'm sure the Batman won't faze her at all.

 

[DeadStroke]

With Viola as Waller, I'm even more excited for this inevitable confrontation. I'm sure the Batman won't faze her at all.

Davis also said that Amanda Waller is a badass and would make Superman “quake in his tights”.

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[Mrs. Wayne]

Haha, that's right. I remember that. I'm excited for her.

 

[Lencho01]

I thought this was an interesting comment...

I mentioned this in another thread, but the tone/perspective of the "Suicide Squad" trailer is simply WAY more interesting to me (in comparison to not only "BvS," but plenty of other blockbusters).

For all of the buzzy studio talk of making comic book films "dark and gritty," what I like is that the "Suicide Squad" trailer isn't selling a team of gritty badasses exchanging cheesy one-liners as they kill dudes because YEAH, DARKNESS. Rather, this is a story of manipulation and hopelessness-- dead end people being used and disposed of by the ones at the top.

For as on-the-nose as Will Smith's title-delivering line is, there's a mournful quality to it that feels genuine to me. These characters clearly aren't all going to make it out alive, and even if they are "bad guys," as it were, that kind of existential emptiness-- knowing that there's nothing on the horizon-- is a powerful dramatic hook that goes simply beyond "bad guys team up to fight other bad guys." It's a concept potentially brimming with empathy, which is a quality severely lacking in most action films (Insert enthusiastic "Mad Max: Fury Road" shout-out here).

So despite the marketing cliche of the "slow and sad cover of a pop song," in this case I think it helps create a strange tone that's really stuck with me. This isn't a celebration of cynicism and gloom-- it's a funeral.

So while Batman, over in Snyder-land, growling "Do you bleed? You will!" comes off as eye-rollingly macho posturing about how SERIOUS and DARK that movie is supposed to be (and instead comes off as limp and mopey), I'm not getting that at all from "Suicide Squad."

Anyway, I hope Ayer delivers on what this trailer seems to be showing off, because I'm definitely on board at this point. The diverse cast is a major selling point too.

And this...

I just realized the Suicide Squad is the perfect anti-Avengers.

I mean, think about it: like the Avengers, the Suicide Squad is organized by a shady secret government agency for the purposes of fighting extraordinary threats, but unlike the Avengers, not a single person involved actually wants to be there. Amanda Waller becomes the anti-Nick Fury, leading through intimidation and coercion rather than inspiration and cooperation. And rather than trying to rise above their mutual distrust for the greater good, the Suicide Squad will rise above their mutual mistrust out of a sense of vengeance and hatred.

And the best part is that you don't even need to establish their origins, since the very conceit requires they be forced together in the first place. It's brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Genius I say!

 

[erehwon0]

Not to mention a rapid expansion of the universe! I'm hoping the Flash will be mentioned by Captain Boomerang. He's from Central City and was apprehended by The Flash. Even without any scenes showing the Flash, we would know he was out there.

The battle for Harley's loyalty would be hard to beat when there's a bomb in your neck. Also the comparison with the Avengers as their twisted counterpart has more or less to it. The main motivation with the Suicide Squad is mostly survival. That's why this is nothing like Guardians or the Avengers as they truly are villains who are being coerced to do either bad or good. People who compare it with Guardians don't know what they're talking about!

 

[godisawesome]

I kind of hope the other members make fun of Boomerang and don't believe in the Flash, and think he's just making up some BS, with maybe a few exceptions. It would just build up the perception of Boomerang as the Squad's loser, while simultaneously preparing the audience for Boomerang actually proving himself a very dangerous man.

Like even Deadshot dismisses him as a liar, but Harley actually believes him, this setting them both up as Cassnadra's with Boomerang screwing up any chance he could have of her backing him up.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Wow. I forget Boomerang is a Flash villain. This Boomerang against Miller's Flash... Will be pretty interesting.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

The footage he showed was surprisingly dark in tone, but at the shoot Ayer told THR of the film, “The real shock is how hilarious it’s going to be.”


Concern or no?

I hope thats its fun and all. But maintains the dark themes and tone. I wouldnt mind Tarantino type of comedy. But not Ant Man comedy.

No concern here. This movie was inevitable going to be hilarious. It can't not be what with some of the colorful and wacky characters it has. Of course, the humor will be dark, definitely not Ant-Man comedy. Some captured filming on set made me laugh even. [BLACKOUT]Where Harley is having some argument with the Joker in the middle of the street and she shoots that trucker nonchalantly as he's asking them why they are blocking the road.[/BLACKOUT] That's what we're in for.

The movie will be dark, action-packed, fun and maybe a little depressing.

 

[Napoleon]

I thought this was an interesting comment...

And this...

Of course, the BRILLIANT folks at Birth.Movies.Death (formerly Badass Digest) gotta take pot shots at BvS. As if in order for these movies to be meritorious, they imply, they must first be self-aware. Irony is the enemy of good action, it's why it's hard to find a good old-fashioned bloodbath these days like Dredd and John Wick without the actors firing off more winks and nods than the waiting room of a ****ing methadone clinic. **** your winks, **** your nods, and **** your narrow-minded view on the genre.

On a wholly different note, have we ever discussed the possibility that Scott Eastwood is playing Dick Grayson who's working under cover for Batman to get dirt on Waller or something?

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Good stuff from the comment section at BatmanNews

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Yes...yes. Good views.

 

[Lencho01]

Of course, the BRILLIANT folks at Birth.Movies.Death (formerly Badass Digest) gotta take pot shots at BvS. As if in order for these movies to be meritorious, they imply, they must first be self-aware. Irony is the enemy of good action, it's why it's hard to find a good old-fashioned bloodbath these days like Dredd and John Wick without the actors firing off more winks and nods than the waiting room of a ****ing methadone clinic. **** your winks, **** your nods, and **** your narrow-minded view on the genre.

On a wholly different note, have we ever discussed the possibility that Scott Eastwood is playing Dick Grayson who's working under cover for Batman to get dirt on Waller or something?

I don't see where the comments were made has anything to do with the points they make. I think SS genuinely looks more interesting than BvS. The diversity, concept, and pretty much how it can go any way helps it be more intriguing than your other comic-based films or at least BvS anyway. I think it being so different is helping churn up interest.

Would Batman really need Dick to get dirt on Waller? And if Eastwood is supposed to be Dick, I'm not sure if he's that close to Waller to get good enough information.