Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - Part 3

[DOBSON10]

You came up with that conclusion based on what we know? Even if you came up with it based off unsubstantiated rumors I don't see how TDKR is inspiring this Alfred, this Gordon, this Harley Quinn, this Deadshot, this Hugo Strange.

They are all effected by the fact that this Batman is starting out with half of his story already finished, off screen. That's really my biggest beef with the TDKR influence, the timeline we're starting in, we're missing so much of his history and starting the entire DCCU around the later stages of the Batman's mythos. Now, obviously they can remedy that in some ways going forward but I don't care for it.

Instead of aging Affleck up to 45+, I would have rather seen them age him down to 35+ and have all that history in front of them to take place, on screen. I know they could still do some of the stories, just in a different order but I just don't really like what we're hearing so far. And that's all I can go on is rumors, that's all we know right now.

 

[Guts]

I think the reason Warner Brothers is doing this is because we already had live action Batman movies in the last twenty or so years where Batman faces a villain for the first time. So to change it up, we now have a Batman that is already experienced with some of those villains. The reason I say some is because there could still be some villain that does't exist yet in the DCCU. The only confirmed Batman villains that he has experience with that we know of are Joker and Harley Quinn.

Also, Batman isn't the only superhero that has been around longer than Superman in the DCCU. There's Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and if Captain Boomerang is around then maybe the Flash is as well. Unless Captain Boomerang was a villain in the DCCU before the Flash.

 

[Boom]

It seems to be that rather than being the first superhero, Superman is the catalyst that brings the existing meta-humans out of the shadows.

 

[Keehar]

http://screencrush.com/suicide-squad-margot-robbie-dark-knight/

Well happy to hear this movie will be more Dark Knight than Avengers. Don't want all the Avengers wannabe accusations flying at it.

 

[Boom]

They are all effected by the fact that this Batman is starting out with half of his story already finished, off screen. That's really my biggest beef with the TDKR influence, the timeline we're starting in, we're missing so much of his history and starting the entire DCCU around the later stages of the Batman's mythos. Now, obviously they can remedy that in some ways going forward but I don't care for it.

Instead of aging Affleck up to 45+, I would have rather seen them age him down to 35+ and have all that history in front of them to take place, on screen. I know they could still do some of the stories, just in a different order but I just don't really like what we're hearing so far. And that's all I can go on is rumors, that's all we know right now.

The same could be said about any superhero franchise, as far as missing out on so much history.

At the end of the day we are still only going to get a few stories with a handful of villains, even if Affleck committed to a Batman trilogy of his own in addition to the Justice League films. It doesn't matter if Batman is just starting out, or if he's been at it for decades. There is going to be a large amount of time left offscreen that will have to be left to the imagination. But whereas the "starting out" approach leaves the future up to the imagination, the "seasoned" approach leaves the past up to it.

I truly do hope that sometime down the road, WB puts out a Batman TV show on HBO - especially with the continuing rise of production value in high-end television shows. Maybe then we'd have a live-action Batman franchise that would actually stand a chance of going toe-to-toe with the animated series.

But back to reality.

I, for one, am intrigued by seeing an older Batman. He's presumably "empty nested" by this point (Jason Todd dead, Dick Grayson estranged, Barabara crippled and limited to more of a supporting role over the radio). Just by virtue of his expectations and his dedication to "the mission," Batman ultimately ends up alone. That puts him at an interesting place at the start of the Justice League.

 

[matt47]

They are all effected by the fact that this Batman is starting out with half of his story already finished, off screen. That's really my biggest beef with the TDKR influence, the timeline we're starting in, we're missing so much of his history and starting the entire DCCU around the later stages of the Batman's mythos. Now, obviously they can remedy that in some ways going forward but I don't care for it.

Instead of aging Affleck up to 45+, I would have rather seen them age him down to 35+ and have all that history in front of them to take place, on screen. I know they could still do some of the stories, just in a different order but I just don't really like what we're hearing so far. And that's all I can go on is rumors, that's all we know right now.

I dont buy that Batfleck is 45+ years

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Michael Uslan already confirmed this new Batman is in his mid-40s.

 

[Sawyer]

And 45 isn't even that far off for Affleck.

 

[Mr.M]

It's because Batman in live action doesn't work with all these mega heroes. You sort of have to phase him out at this point in his career if anything else is gonna hold up. Otherwise, Superman or Aquaman would have taken care of Freeze, Two-Face, Penguin, and the likes. This is just common sense as far as I'm concerned.

Superman is the first actual superhero in the universe that is publicly known. The other guys probably slowly rise from the wood works, or have operated in secret for a long time as Clark did in his early years.

Frankly, I'm done with Batman solos and don't need to see any more solo films for a very long time. It's been there done that. Let's get to Justice League and cash in on this vast universe.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Silliminite]

Beautiful. Margot's going to give us one hell of a Harley Quinn.

 

[BravoNolanILuvU]

I'm as [BLACKOUT]HARD[/BLACKOUT] as a diamond.

 

[Maximus One]

Sitting here watching Focus, I just can not wait to see her as Harley. I just love her. She is seriously going to kill it.

 

[Micromind]

Michael Uslan already confirmed this new Batman is in his mid-40s.

Affleck is 42, so instead of making him 40 in the movie by reducing the character's age by 2 years compared to actors' age.... they decided to make him (Batman) three years older than the actor's actual age ?

And 45 isn't even that far off for Affleck.

So, transition from 42 to 45 is not very far off but making a 42 year old actor as 40 is far off ?

 

[Pickleweasel]

Affleck is 42, so instead of making him 40 in the movie by reducing the character's age by 2 years compared to actors' age.... they decided to make him (Batman) three years older than the actor's actual age ?


So, transition from 42 to 43 is not very far off but making a 42 year old actor as 40 is far off ?

How is this even a little bit confusing?

 

[Micromind]

How is this even a little bit confusing?

See, If I was the director ( ) of BvS, I would have shown a mature Batman as a 40 year old rather than making him 45, as Ben Affleck is 42.. who can easily pass as 40 (he looks younger than his actual age, not older, I think most would agree with me.)

So, making him older than 42 is confusing to me, maybe not to you, now can you explain this ?

 

[GL's Light]

His exact age may not even be mentioned in the movie.

 

[dhandler01]

And outside of him saying "Hey I am 45" in the movie how are you gonna know his age exactly? You seem to be a bit over dramatic about something that means next to nothing...

 

[Pickleweasel]

See, If I was the director ( ) of BvS, I would have shown a mature Batman as a 40 year old rather than making him 45, as Ben Affleck is 42.. who can easily pass as 40 (he looks younger than his actual age, not older, I think most would agree with me.)

So, making him older than 42 is confusing to me, maybe not to you, now can you explain this ?

If the possibility of an actor playing someone 3 years older than his actual age confuses you I'm not even going to attempt to explain it.

 

[The Sage]

What's wrong with him being 42? That's a fine age for Batman. And as GL's Light said, it might not get mentioned at all. We'll just assume he's in his 40s based on his hair greying.

 

[taigawithapen]

I went and watched Focus yesterday and Margots performance convinced me that she'll make a fantastic Harley. I think shes gonna be the person to steal the show. Still not convinced on Smith as Deadshot though.

 

[Stringer]

Bruce Wayne's 40's isn't the same as a regular person's 40's. His age is irrelevant to his skills.

 

[GL's Light]

Speaking of Focus, this weekend it crossed the $100 million mark for its worldwide gross. Its worldwide gross is currently just under $102 million.

 

[John-An]

John did you miss the sarcasm smilie at the end?

I think the miss guy in this case was you. Cause I was speaking about the movie effects in general, not about the "joke" you talk about

They may mostly or entirely use CGI boomerangs rather than real ones as they're thrown to save time and for safety reasons - just as the arrows fired on Arrow are CGI. That's a pretty easy and minor use of CGI, though.

Agreed

Bruce Wayne's 40's isn't the same as a regular person's 40's. His age is irrelevant to his skills.

This!!!

What's wrong with him being 42? That's a fine age for Batman. And as GL's Light said, it might not get mentioned at all. We'll just assume he's in his 40s based on his hair greying.

Well actually we can infer the age of Bruce. He was 8/9 years old when the incident of the "Mark of Zorro" seen on the BvS set pics. Excalibur the movie that was announced it's on 1981. So he was 8/9 in 1981. 43/44 years old he would have in 2016 (if BvS is set in 2016).

 

[Roderick]

I went and watched Focus yesterday and Margots performance convinced me that she'll make a fantastic Harley. I think shes gonna be the person to steal the show. Still not convinced on Smith as Deadshot though.

Yep, saw it last night and Margot Robbie stole the show for me too. I'm sure she will be great as Harley - she's delivered in every role I've seen her in so far. I also thought that her chemistry with Will Smith was great which is a plus.

'Focus' has made me so much more excited for this film.