Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[Greenlite]

They could always get away with "a version that's too violent for theaters" and announce it at the end of the run.

I don't know who can get into WB's ears but some sensible businessmen in Burbank needs to step up and blast the 2/2 studio meddling editing so the brand can recover. I feel if they repeat this again WW will get 5% RT, you cannot mess up the first ever female superhero film, ever.

 

[jmc]

There's no incentive to do this again because they've already witnessed twice now it has affected word of mouth, box office, critical acclaim, and brand trust.

An 'ultimate cut' of SS is actually a redeeming factor as it communicates to the fans that they hear everyone loud and clear. This isn't like BvS where the extended edition was on the shelf months before release and set for home video. Initiating the new cut for SS is backpedaling on their own intervention, but for the better.

I get wanting to see a better version of the film, I really do, but you're still suggesting a business tactic that is ripe for abuse. If they see they can get people like yourself to fork over extra money for an extended cut of the film on bluray on the hope it improves things there is zero incentive for them to try and improve the theatrical cuts. They will market the hell of the movies, cut them to a length that fits in as many sessions as possible regardless of their quality, open to big numbers, and then make up the losses on the promise the bluray extended cut will fix whatever problems there is. The only way these people learn is if you don't give them money. They don't care about the characters the same way you or I do, if you give them a sniff to squeeze more money out of us they will do it.

 

[Jekecy]

I get wanting to see a better version of the film, I really do, but you're still suggesting a business tactic that is ripe for abuse. If they see they can get people like yourself to fork over extra money for an extended cut of the film on bluray on the hope it improves things there is zero incentive for them to try and improve the theatrical cuts. They will market the hell of the movies, cut them to a length that fits in as many sessions as possible regardless of their quality, open to big numbers, and then make up the losses on the promise the bluray extended cut will fix whatever problems there is. The only way these people learn is if you don't give them money. They don't care about the characters the same way you or I do, if you give them a sniff to squeeze more money out of us they will do it.

I don't get how you can discount the damage that has been done this past week from all the articles and scuttlebutt about their meddling. They're not going to see extra sales of home video as recourse. At this point it's a peace offering.

It's gotten so bad their lead actor of one of their most prized characters (in Joker) is consistently speaking out his frustrations to the press! This is strike two for them. If they do an ultimate cut and still butt into JL or WW, then they deserve to burn to the ground. However I'd like to believe by now all the execs on the proverbial chopping block have come to their senses.

 

[jmc]

I don't get how you can discount the damage that has been done this past week from all the articles and scuttlebutt about their meddling. They're not going to see extra sales of home video as recourse. At this point it's a peace offering.

It's gotten so bad their lead actor of one of their most prized characters (in Joker) is consistently speaking out his frustrations to the press! This is strike two for them. If they do an ultimate cut and still butt into JL or WW, then they deserve to burn to the ground. However I'd like to believe by now all the execs on the proverbial chopping block have come to their senses.

It could be looked at it as some sort of a peace offering, but the reality is if they sense there's something to made by making extended blurays a thing they will continue to do it. Let not make out like WB is some type saint in the corporate world, these businesses are always looking for new revenue streams.

 

[Jekecy]

It could be looked at it as some sort of a peace offering, but the reality is if they sense there's something to made by making extended blurays a thing they will continue to do it. Let not make out like WB is some type saint in the corporate world, these businesses are always looking for new revenue streams.

And again, said corporate world should be able to analyze the cost benefit in such a transparently scummy move and realize it is absolutely not beneficial in the long run for their business to recover, much less thrive.

 

[jmc]

And again, said corporate world should be able to analyze the cost benefit in such a transparently scummy move and realize it is absolutely not beneficial in the long run for their business to recover, much less thrive.

I agree it's scummy, but look at the factors, going off the box office of the last three movies there's enough of an audience who want to watch DC films, and WB hasn't been patient with these movies. Yeah, it would be a short sighted move to try and generate quick profit and a bad business decisions, but lets not make out companies like WB don't make dumb decisions.

 

[MasterChief2829]

How did we find out a out BvS Ultimate Edition? Iirc it was only a few weeks after the theatrical release wasn't it? Some ratings classification?

Just want to keep an eye out in the same area if that happens with Squad

 

[lespaul59]

How did we find out a out BvS Ultimate Edition? Iirc it was only a few weeks after the theatrical release wasn't it? Some ratings classification?

Just want to keep an eye out in the same area if that happens with Squad

Wasn't it first announced the Tuesday before BvS was released or something like that? I'm not sure if it was being called the Ultimate Edition at that point of not.

 

[DOBSON10]

I agree it's scummy, but look at the factors, going off the box office of the last three movies there's enough of an audience who want to watch DC films, and WB hasn't been patient with these movies. Yeah, it would be a short sighted move to try and generate quick profit and a bad business decisions, but lets not make out companies like WB don't make dumb decisions.

At the end of the day, I think the bad critics response and Box Office drops will scare them sufficiently into trying to make better theatrical cuts, whether they can achieve that or not, we'll see. I think diminishing Box Office returns, poor critic responses, bad word of mouth, internet mockery & a growing reputation for making subpar movies will keep them from actively trying to pull the type of thing you're talking about. It does them more harm than good, to have the General Audience and internet buzzing about them only being able to make a coherent movie well after the films theater release. In the long run they will make more money by putting the best cut out in the theaters and they know that. I think the bigger problem is whether they are capable of realizing/knowing what the best cut actually is. At least in terms of this particular topic. I think the biggest problem with these past two movies is ground work decision making in terms of story and characterizations. Some of the foundation of the universe and the two stories have been very flawed. Despite the fact that I like both movies, both have alot of big flaws and bad choices before filming even started.

 

[lespaul59]

I thought I would share a few other thoughts I have on Suicide Squad. I think there is enough Joker except for one spot and that is when he steals the helicopter. I would like to have seen how the Joker actually steals the helicopter from the Army but I also get that it ruins the surprise. I loved the music and how it was used. I'm not a fan of all the music that was used but I still loved it. I still feel that Amanda Waller

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was the villain as much as The Enchantress was. it seems like she even had the team's mission green lit to save her self as much if not more than to stop The Enchantress. Maybe I off on this point based on just one viewing but I just feel like Waller cares more about saving her self than any thing else.

I plan on going to see this one more time. As I said before I loved this movie flaws and all. I even became a Harley Quinn fan. I now want to go buy Harley Quinn comics, toys and any other cool stuff I can find. Before SS I was always like why do people even care about Harley and now I've even died my beard pink and blue using a Harley Quinn hair dye kit.

 

[Timebomb]

I don't know if this has been said before but the Half In The Bag review is out. It is pretty brutal but all of it true. The disclaimer part is pretty funny. Can't link because of language but it's spot on.

 

[harlequinade]

Ah yes,

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The El Diablo fire demon that comes out of nowhere in an already bewildering third act.

That was one of the dumbest things I've seen, I was like what is that? why is this happening?

So that Will Smith could give a suicide squad line, instead of:

"So that's it huh? She's some kind of enchanted hoe?"

the only thing that saved it for me from going into complete ridiculousness was that enhanced voice they gave her and the fact she spoke a language i didn't understand.

btw, was that a known language or did they invent some crap.

my guess is the latter

As much as I'd like to see those scenes, I don't think it would be a good thing for WB to make a habit out of butchering the film in post and then releasing longer cut on Blu-Ray.

I'd rather if they don't release such cut this time around and make sure they keep their fat, corporate asses away from the editing room in the future.

they already butchered the movie, now if the original cut is not released we the fans only suffer twice because we won't get to see deleted scenes. They have to do it.

 

[KillerWolf]

they already butchered the movie, now if the original cut is not released we the fans only suffer twice because we won't get to see deleted scenes. They have to do it.

Yeah, but they need to stop releasing Extended Cuts at some point, otherwise they will always feel they can get away with butchering the film. I'd rather if they dropped that thing altogether if that means that theatrical versions will be better.

 

[harlequinade]

Yeah, but they need to stop releasing Extended Cuts at some point, otherwise they will always feel they can get away with butchering the film. I'd rather if they dropped that thing altogether if that means that theatrical versions will be better.

Well they aren't to some extent - the critical reception and (probably) lower box office numbers other than great opening weekend

But yeah no question they should stop mangling the movies and releasing better cut instead of safer/shorter cut. This madness needs to end.

 

[LoganGambit87]

How did we find out a out BvS Ultimate Edition? Iirc it was only a few weeks after the theatrical release wasn't it? Some ratings classification?

Just want to keep an eye out in the same area if that happens with Squad

a whole month before theatrical release it was announced

article is from feb. 23rd,2016
http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-r-rated-cut-ultimate-edition/

 

[JtheDreamer]

Can't believe what I'm reading. Posters what extended cuts as some kind of norm and EXCUSE.

 

[sabetoonth]

a contingency, for what eventually happens in the movie - her going rogue ?

Yea, this is late as all hell but:
Dont put all your eggs in once basket.

 

[Greenlite]

How did we find out a out BvS Ultimate Edition? Iirc it was only a few weeks after the theatrical release wasn't it? Some ratings classification?

Just want to keep an eye out in the same area if that happens with Squad

It was announced after Deadpool smashed the b.o with its R rating, it was a cool announcement at the time.

 

[Filmfan93]

OH, I didn't spend money on it. I had free IMAX passes from the opening night, for a cosplay/promotional event.

So we decided to give it one more shot. I want to be fair with comic book films and make sure my feelings are correct. Sometimes when you view a film a second time, knowing the true intent and all the story elements, you can really grow to appreciate different things about it. Any movie deserves a second chance if real effort was put into it. I genuinely believe SS had effort put into it, and was pretty much ruined in post.

Theres a GOOD FILM in there somewhere. It needs less, but also more. From what's averrable and the 15-20 odd minutes of missing footage, you can make a passable movie, or at least a good "comic book" movie.

I did enjoy it more the second time, so it was worth it seeing. There are elements I missed the first time around, like why the bubble head mutants kept attacking Flagg, etc. I can understand some decisions a bit better and I was looking for little mistakes. Accent slips, continuity errors, etc. It's a pretty solidly shot and well acted film, its just bad writing, story, horrid editing, bad CG... a lot of elements that ruin it.

I see, thank you for clarifying

 

[brandeezy89]

Dead lmao

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4woy5v/why_werent_the_meta_humans_samson_and_goliath/

 

[Bagide]

Dead lmao

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4woy5v/why_werent_the_meta_humans_samson_and_goliath/

Maybe they cut out that scene too. LOL

 

[idiot09]

nvm

 

[idiot09]

This is John Ostrander,the first SS comicbook creator's thoughts on the movie.He liked the movie.And this is what he had to say about its reception :

Even if someone who is in the industry can acknowledge it,no reason this should be mocked in the fanbase.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

"everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong"

haha. Let's get real it's not just critics who don't like the movie

 

[idiot09]

"everyone has a right to their own opinion even when it’s wrong"

haha. Let's get real it's not just critics who don't like the movie

Yep,there are other people too who dont like this movie.Whats your point?

The point Ostrander is trying to make is some of the critics came in with a preconceived notion and came in to hate the film,and that they did.If someone as connected as him can suggest it,no reason it should be taken lightly.

Do I think the critics are biased?HELL NO.But it shouldnt be dismissed either for the basic reason that critics are humans too with human emotions,not perfect emotionless always moral people.Thats what he was getting at and I agree with him.