Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 35

[DeadStroke]

It's obvious they edited and reshot scenes to make the movie feel like a marvel one. Ironically, people who like them are saying how **** SS is and they are also the reason this happened, because of their stupid complaints about the tone in BVS.

Suicide Squad had the misfortune of coming out in the wrong year.

If released in 2017 maybe they polish/fix the flaws and WB says screw messing around with the movie.

 

[matt47]

It's crazy how much people are making this out to be horrible movie. Despite the issues with the studio.

There were a LOT of horrible movies this year. The quality of this movie isn't far off the typical summer popcorn flicks.

Hell its Carpenter meets Fast Five.

It's jarring when looking at it in contrast to the Snyder films. It lacks the polish of the Marvel films (which outside of the first Ironman movie took years to find its footing). Yet, there is a real cult following emerging for this movie.

I'm not trying to convince you man. I just can't stand about 90% of the dialogue, I can't stand most of the characters, I didn't care about the villain at all. I could go on.
Once again, I don't care how popular this movie is.

 

[Greens]

Hell its Carpenter meets Fast Five.

Ha! If only.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Suicide Squad had the misfortune of coming out in the wrong year.

If released in 2017 maybe they polish/fix the flaws and WB says screw messing around with the movie.

In hindsight the movie definitely needed more polish. Even a late 2016 release would have been beneficial.

 

[DeadStroke]

Ha! If only.

Not saying in quality. Saying the direction they went with the movie.

 

[DeadStroke]

I'm not trying to convince you man. I just can't stand about 90% of the dialogue, I can't stand most of the characters, I didn't care about the villain at all. I could go on.
Once again, I don't care how popular this movie is.

Thats fine. Its cool to disagree. The dialogue was a problem for me as well. However, some of it is very comic booky, some of it sounds like dialogue from a the typical action flicks.
Like I said earlier. If you watch it after a Nolan or even a Snyder film....its jarring.

It seems your biggest issue would be you didn't care for the characters. I did. Thats what makes me buy what they're saying even if on paper its not that great. Most of the reaction has been positive towards the squad not necessarily towards the movie. So if you don't like the squad...then I can't argue/change your mind on that.

As far as the villain. I had no real problem with dirty witch version of Enchantress. The cleaned up version had very little screen time actually. They dropped the ball big time on Incubus simply based on the poor CGI.

However, the "villain" wasn't what the movie was really about. Marvel films constantly have villains you ultimately don't care about. Its just about how well you like the protagonists. Since you don't like them either...again can't help/change your view there.

I'd also say in hindsight David Ayer actually made a good SUICIDE SQUAD movie. I think a lot of people are getting lost in that fact. The trailers/hype sold it as being much more. The Joker included seemed like it would be soooo much more.

However, as a pure Suicide Squad comic adaptation to film it did the job. I totally see where Kevin Smith is coming from (especially after seeing the extended cut). The issue for some is Suicide Squad wasn't this widely popular comic. The Ostrander squad were actually overmatched villains fighting supernatural things like Enchantress/Incubus.

It makes me appreciate just how good James Gunn did to make Guardians of the Galaxy as good/universal as he made it. However, as a Squad film Ayer did the job.

Its just too bad there was some meddling going to make it more accessible to the general audience. It took away from it.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I'm not trying to convince you man. I just can't stand about 90% of the dialogue, I can't stand most of the characters, I didn't care about the villain at all. I could go on.
Once again, I don't care how popular this movie is.

Agreed. That exactly problems with movie. Bad dialogue, bad characters, terrible villain, and editing so bad.

 

[Knight-Tale]

Well if the characters are bad and everything they say is bad its kinda been a waste for WB to try and change anything(they didn't)
The movie was dead on arrival(to some fans)
amazing it made so much money with so much stuff working against it(a very big surprise)

So WB comes away with a huge new IP and spin off movies and they learned all the wrong lessons
The hardcore fans are sad because they can't effect positive change and the fans that do like it can't escape the negative narrative
DCEU is not gonna get better either
WW and Justice League are probably going to be bad or not make a lot of money which will further complicate the mess

But suicide squad that can actually help

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'm not trying to convince you man. I just can't stand about 90% of the dialogue, I can't stand most of the characters, I didn't care about the villain at all. I could go on.
Once again, I don't care how popular this movie is.

I feel like the further we get away from release, the more over-the-top the hatred for this movie gets. It's like a self-fulfilling snowball, the more the "DCEU sucks" narrative grows, the more "flaws" get added to reasons why these movies that are mediocre at worst are "totally the worst things ever".

 

[Guts]

I watched the extended cut and it was what I feared it would be. They simply put back some of the deleted scenes but they didn't switch out any of the alternate scenes. Like Joker showing up at the end or Enchantress controlling Katana. I think the extended cut is slightly better because we get more interaction with the squad and more characterization for Harley but it doesn't change anything for the Joker. I did like Joker's line when Harley held a gun to his head and he said in a really cartoony voice "Don't hurt me, I'll be your friend.".

 

[KillerWolf]

I haven't got the time to see the extended cut (not that I'm in a hurry to do so, as I really didn't like SS), but I watched the extended scenes on YouTube and I think that car chase scene is my favorite Joker scene in the film. He wasn't nearly as angsty as in some of his other scenes and I like his body language there, it's very B:TAS. Still pissed they didn't have the balls to include the slap, though.

 

[Flint Marko]

I feel like the further we get away from release, the more over-the-top the hatred for this movie gets. It's like a self-fulfilling snowball, the more the "DCEU sucks" narrative grows, the more "flaws" get added to reasons why these movies that are mediocre at worst are "totally the worst things ever".

No. These movies are genuinely bad, and most of us saying that have thought so since day one. I get that a lot of people like them and want to give them passes because they hit some of the fanboy sweet spots, but they absolutely do not hold up as films. The editing is almost objectively terrible, the narrative structure is confused, the characters are typically two-dimensional and uninteresting, the plot generic and uninspired, I could keep going.

 

[Guts]

I haven't got the time to see the extended cut (not that I'm in a hurry to do so, as I really didn't like SS), but I watched the extended scenes on YouTube and I think that car chase scene is my favorite Joker scene in the film. He wasn't nearly as angsty as in some of his other scenes and I like his body language there, it's very B:TAS. Still pissed they didn't have the balls to include the slap, though.

I totally forgot about the slap-pee part.

 

[MasterChief2829]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...the-joker-jared-leto-margot-robbie_shortfilms

 

[Wildcard]

I totally forgot about the slap-pee part.

Why do people still think he peed on her?

 

[I Am The Knight]

It clearly looks like he is about to piss on her

 

[Polux]

Thats fine. Its cool to disagree. The dialogue was a problem for me as well.

The movie is a sandwich of awesome lines mixed up with really terrible ones...

"Lady, you are EVIL!!" makes me wanna punch the screen so bad...it actually haunts my dreams (honest) and reminds me why I originally hated the idea of Will Smith playing Deadshot...

Then a few minutes later he throws that "How are you not dead?" line and he wins me over again

And I never even liked Will Smith that much as an actor (because he's always so "Will Smith-y") and he's one of my favorite parts of the movie.


Polux

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'm not trying to convince you man. I just can't stand about 90% of the dialogue, I can't stand most of the characters, I didn't care about the villain at all. I could go on.
Once again, I don't care how popular this movie is.

Pretty much this.

 

[matt47]

The movie is a sandwich of awesome lines mixed up with really terrible ones...

"Lady, you are EVIL!!" makes me wanna punch the screen so bad...it actually haunts my dreams (honest) and reminds me why I originally hated the idea of Will Smith playing Deadshot...

Then a few minutes later he throws that "How are you not dead?" line and he wins me over again

And I never even liked Will Smith that much as an actor (because he's always so "Will Smith-y") and he's one of my favorite parts of the movie.


Polux

For me, Will Smith was the only good thing in this movie.

 

[Guts]

For me it was Will Smith, Viola Davis, Jai Courtney, Margot Robbie, and Jay Hernandez.

 

[matt47]

For me it was Will Smith, Viola Davis, Jai Courtney, Margot Robbie, and Jay Hernandez.

Yeah I liked Jai for the most part but just like with Jay, they upped the cliche for Australians and Mexicans way over the top. As n Aussie, it was embarrassing for a lot of it. Viola was good too. Margot was hit and miss for me, but I think it was the writing once again. But her voice differed way too much.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Man, I was so excited for Suicide Squad, the trailers looked great. But the first act of the movie is a freaking music video.

The third act of Suicide Squad was Fan4stic levels of bad (ironically, both films had a giant blue portal shooting out of the sky). I was stunned by how bad it was.

I've seen people try to blame WB and say it's all their fault, I say ********. While they can probably be held accountable for some editing and music choices, the actual dialogue, story, and directing all fall on Ayer, which were really bad.

And the action was so poorly directed. Dull, boring, uninspired, even hard to follow at times.

 

[matt47]

Man, I was so excited for Suicide Squad, the trailers looked great. But the first act of the movie is a freaking music video.

The third act of Suicide Squad was Fan4stic levels of bad (ironically, both films had a giant blue portal shooting out of the sky). I was stunned by how bad it was.

I've seen people try to blame WB and say it's all their fault, I say ********. While they can probably be held accountable for some editing and music choices, the actual dialogue, story, and directing all fall on Ayer, which were really bad.

And the action was so poorly directed. Dull, boring, uninspired, even hard to follow at times.

I still can't believe how our first ever moment on screen with Batman and Deadshot went.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I still can't believe how our first ever moment on screen with Batman and Deadshot went.

The action in this film is terrible. Just so very bland. No sense of style in the moves or framing, very few standout moments or interesting use of abilities. Utterly pointless slow motion that last for too long and rarely highlights anything special. Compare the action scenes to literally any Marvel film and the contrast could not be more obvious. I couldn't believe how bad the action was when I took the time to really look. Talk about crushingly dull fighting.

Also gotta give a special shout out to David Ayer for having some of the weakest cameos in any comic book movie ever. Not only was the Batman stuff horribly telegraphed, but it was just awkwardly shot and terribly staged. I give him props for the underwater scene, but everything Batman related before and after it was terrible.

Flash's was such an afterthought both visually and literally within the film's timeline that I can't believe they even included it, since they were going to make it so unexciting

Flash is onscreen for at most 35 seconds. He has now been in 3 different scenes in this universe and hasn't even been referenced by name. If we weren't fanboys we would have zero idea the person in Suicide Squad was even the same guy from BvS.

 

[Wildcard]

For me, Will Smith was the only good thing in this movie.

I thought Margot Robbie was equally as solid. And despite the chaotic nature of the film, Viola Davis did nail it as Amanda Waller & I'd love to see more of her.

Jai Courtney was also good, as was Jay Hernandez, who took me by surprise as up until seeing the movie I cared for El Diablo the least.

It's not that the cast wasn't talented or that they were all horrible, it's just that their potential wasn't optimized here in the way it could've been,