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Eh I personally don't see that as a problem with the first point as it is just a term for powered person, the second point did bother me when I was watching the movie.

Meta-human, imo, equates solely to an individual that's human. It's a clunky way of generalizing. Imagine if characters like Thanos, or Darkseid, or Galactus were described as being a "meta-human". The problem is that they aren't human. And neither is Enchantress.

But this is David Ayer we're talking about. The same guy who says his Joker killed Robin and got his teeth bashed out, which is how he ultimately met Harley Quinn. But for the latter's introduction he also brilliantly throws in that she's an accomplice to Robin's murder even though, by his own writing, they hadn't even met yet.

And this is the guy they get for GCS.
 
Meta-human, imo, equates solely to an individual that's human. It's a clunky way of generalizing. Imagine if characters like Thanos, or Darkseid, or Galactus were described as being a "meta-human". The problem is that they aren't human. And neither is Enchantress.

But this is David Ayer we're talking about. The same guy who says his Joker killed Robin and got his teeth bashed out, which is how he ultimately met Harley Quinn. But for the latter's introduction he also brilliantly throws in that she's an accomplice to Robin's murder even though, by his own writing, they hadn't even met yet.

And this is the guy they get for GCS.

While he may have said that in interviews but the only thing that really matters when it comes to conflicting information is the movie, and in the movie it is said that she was an accomplice to the murder of robin.
 
While he may have said that in interviews but the only thing that really matters when it comes to conflicting information is the movie, and in the movie it is said that she was an accomplice to the murder of robin.

Yes, but with the way Ayer placed things, the entire reason Joker was in Arkham Asylum at the time was because of him murdering Robin. And after going there, he meets Harleen and slowly makes her fall in love with him. So, again, how can she be an accomplice to said event when, going by Ayer's own story, she didn't even know him?

This totally matters because not only does it make zero sense, but it shows he can't even pay attention to his own damn story to make sure it all syncs together.
 
Yes, but with the way Ayer placed things, the entire reason Joker was in Arkham Asylum at the time was because of him murdering Robin. And after going there, he meets Harleen and slowly makes her fall in love with him. So, again, how can she be an accomplice to said event when, going by Ayer's own story, she didn't even know him?

This totally matters because not only does it make zero sense, but it shows he can't even pay attention to his own damn story to make sure it all syncs together.

Yeah it does conflict and I can say with confidence that had he had more than 6 weeks I think he'd have been able to keep it straight, but as the conflict never was expressed on screen as most people wouldn't have even heard that interview or read it then it really isn't that pressing an issue for me. or they could try to fix it by just sticking to the first part as most people outside of us superfans never even saw that little tidbit so while it isn't ideal they could completely ignore that if they choose to one day film that scene and put it in a movie.
 
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and now that we have a joker cast I hope that at some point we can see the scene of him beating robin to death represented on screen.
 
Would be nice to have that facet explored in the solo Batman movie. Also another reason why I want Leto's Joker to be a main part of the movie.
 
I've watched Suicide Squad about five times now, and I think it's a really strong movie for the first 45 mins. When the ******** with Enchantress and her brother starts going down is when the movie falls apart.

I enjoy pretty much everything until then and I personally really enjoy Letos Joker. I'm fine with Ayer directing. He proved to me that he has what it takes, it's just that the script completely falls apart in the end. Glad to see he isn't writing Sirens
 
I've watched Suicide Squad about five times now, and I think it's a really strong movie for the first 45 mins. When the ******** with Enchantress and her brother starts going down is when the movie falls apart.

I enjoy pretty much everything until then and I personally really enjoy Letos Joker. I'm fine with Ayer directing. He proved to me that he has what it takes, it's just that the script completely falls apart in the end. Glad to see he isn't writing Sirens

I think there was a ton of potential in enchantress it just isn't realized as the one thing that could have really helped people care about her (her love for her brother), is completely dropped outside of his introduction scene and his death with him being treated like just another henchmen for the rest of the movie.
 
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I rewatched SS the other day, as I really wonder why they didn't go for a "smaller" more brutal mission for the Squad. Not a "save the world from a big bad witch". The weapons report that they got Enchantress to grab in a second, that should have been the Squads mission. Something more "discreet" but higher risk. I think it would have been a lot more suitable for that team. Making Enchantress the main villain was a mistake, IMO.
 
The funny/sad thing is, around this time last year, most people were confident that this was going to be a good movie, myself included. There was a lot of excitement. Almost everything that was coming out regarding the movie was positive. It wasn't like BVS where there was more negativity and scepticism. It sucks how things turned out in the end. This was my most anticipated movie since it was announced. Only Spectre and Hateful 8 came close in the last few years.
 
Oh, totally. It was my most anticipated film, as well.
I do still think they had some of the best marketing I've seen in a while.
 
Yeah, but all three of the DCEU films released so far have had solid trailers, but trailers lie, which is why I'm not as pumped for Wonder Woman as I'd like to be because this could be another instance of a trailer selling what could be an underwhelming film. I think a lot of folks expected more from this because David Ayer just wasn't Zack Snyder.

Now they may expect even more from Wonder Woman because Patty Jenkins isn't Zack Snyder OR David Ayer.
 
I rewatched SS the other day, as I really wonder why they didn't go for a "smaller" more brutal mission for the Squad. Not a "save the world from a big bad witch". The weapons report that they got Enchantress to grab in a second, that should have been the Squads mission. Something more "discreet" but higher risk. I think it would have been a lot more suitable for that team. Making Enchantress the main villain was a mistake, IMO.



Yeah, exactly. Something fitting of a covert, special ops team. Stopping a Witch from destroying the entire world is not a mission you need to send a discrete team that people aren't supposed to know is working for the government. Also, you wouldn't send in a team that you're not sure if you can even trust. To me, this movie is the kind of storytelling that you do with your friends when you're 8 years old and you get all your toys together and just have them going from different areas of your yard fighting each other, working your way up to the treehouse. "And then The Joker comes in in his helicopter! Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch! Pshew! Pshew! 'This bird is cooked'!"
 
well look what we have here
Anticipation was high for the first big-budget movie lead by supervillains. All the signs were good with a cast that included Will Smith as Deadshot, Jared Leto as the Joker and Margot Robbie as the baseball bat-wielding troublemaker Harley Quinn. Robbie stole the show and the film helped position her as IMDb’s top star of 2016. And while there were naysayers for the film, written and directed by David Ayer, Suicide Squad took more than $745 million at the worldwide box office and made it the most popular movie on IMDb in 2016.
Suicide Squad is the most popular movie on imdb in 2016
http://www.imdb.com/best-of/top-mov...d_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_bo16_mv_sm

on top of its 745 million WW box office without china and margot winning a critics choice award for SS is seems more people liked this movie than people originally thought
 
well look what we have here

Suicide Squad is the most popular movie on imdb in 2016
http://www.imdb.com/best-of/top-mov...d_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_bo16_mv_sm

on top of its 745 million WW box office without china and margot winning a critics choice award for SS is seems more people liked this movie than people originally thought

That people talk of something is not a sign that it's good, it's also important what they are saying...Margot's work however was praised by pretty much everyone so it's not a surprise she is winning awards
 
well look what we have here

Suicide Squad is the most popular movie on imdb in 2016
http://www.imdb.com/best-of/top-mov...d_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_bo16_mv_sm

on top of its 745 million WW box office without china and margot winning a critics choice award for SS is seems more people liked this movie than people originally thought

That list is not based on ratings or any other kind of score. It's based on how many times the IMDb page was viewed this year. How does that make it the most popular movie of 2016?
 
Suicide Squad has a strong cult following despite the critic reviews and the mixed reactions from hardcore DC fans.
 
That list is not based on ratings or any other kind of score. It's based on how many times the IMDb page was viewed this year. How does that make it the most popular movie of 2016?

i does not say the most popular movie of 2016 i said most popular movie on IMDB:huh:
 
Yeah, exactly. Something fitting of a covert, special ops team. Stopping a Witch from destroying the entire world is not a mission you need to send a discrete team that people aren't supposed to know is working for the government. Also, you wouldn't send in a team that you're not sure if you can even trust. To me, this movie is the kind of storytelling that you do with your friends when you're 8 years old and you get all your toys together and just have them going from different areas of your yard fighting each other, working your way up to the treehouse. "And then The Joker comes in in his helicopter! Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch! Pshew! Pshew! 'This bird is cooked'!"

The Enchantress wasn’t the target, Waller was.
 
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Just saw a featurette of EPIC BATTLES. Did they cut out a lot of the action out of the movie because the action was actually fantastic in the BTS and in the movie it was just fine.
 
Now this is just me, but I think it's a tad early to be calling this a cult movie when it only came out like 5 months ago
 
It seems to have cult following on tumblr but I'm not sure it's a good thing... :funny:
 
The Enchantress wasn’t the target, Waller was.



Oh yeah, That's a good point, I need to watch it again, I actually just rented it from Redbox. But I still think it could've been better with a mission more suited to a Suicide Squad, assassinating somebody, infiltrating some foreign terrorist threat, an ultra secretive special ops mission, something that, if they are found out, the government can prosecute them quietly or take them out, as a group of bad guys acting in their own self interest
 
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And a lot of the Joker scenes just come off like he's trying too hard to be weird and crazy. Like in that one scene where he's sitting all depressed, it's like he wrote HA! HA! HA! all over the walls, and set up a big circular pattern of knives and guns and computers and what looks like baby clothes, drew a smiley face on himself with a Sharpie, and then sits there all depressed then randomly starts laughing. Idk, I guess The Joker is a crazy enough character, that it kinda makes sense, but it just comes off to me like they're trying too hard to make him look crazy in lieu of actually developing his character. Like, all the crazy things he did in Dark Knight actually served to develop the character and the story, it didn't feel like randomness for craziness' sake. If that makes sense.


On second watch, I'm starting to come around to Leto'a portrayal a little bit more, I just think he needs a much better script to work with, better dialouge, the character needs better motivations, tone down the weirdness and randomness, and amp up the psychological scariness. What made Ledger's work so well is you could understand his motivations, there was a method to his madness, he has this frightening charisma that made you want to see what he was gonna do and say next. And I see glimmers of that in Leto's portrayal, he just needs the right material to work with, a proper Joker story with interesting motivations and moments like the pencil trick, the scars monologue, burning the cash, "LOOK AT ME!" It's doable, but the writer has to understand the character. Hell, get Scott Snyder or Brian Azzarello in there, both of their writing shows a clear understanding of the character, with the possibility of meeting or exceeding the bar Ledger set. Joker is Horror meets Comedy. DC needs to take advantage of the great stable of villains they have, and not half ass it
 
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