Summer 2011 box office predictions - Part 2

[psylockolussus]

By how good CA is, I expect it to have better legs than Thor or XFC. Captain America is the most recognized Marvel superhero (outside of box office juggernauts Spidey and IM), and the overall impression I got from audience members when they left was more positive than Thor.

Still, it's pretty good for a Chris Evans movie outside of Fantastic Four.

I agree but I don't think it will top Iron Man's BO numbers.

 

[marvelman2006]

let not get ahead of ourselves here. Captain America is good but not great and it certainly isnt up there with XFC, Spiderman 2 or Ironman. The story itself has alot of problems and overall leaves alot to be desired.

 

[Donut]

How did Captain America do World Wide ? I would think MARVEL would be looking at those numbers for this one

 

[kedrell]

let not get ahead of ourselves here. Captain America is good but not great and it certainly isnt up there with XFC, Spiderman 2 or Ironman. The story itself has alot of problems and overall leaves alot to be desired.

I found nothing great about XMFC or SM2. They were solid and decent but that's about it. They had loads of annoyances in them as well(the bad kind of cheesy humor in SM2 and heavy handed message mongering in XMFC)

 

[:eek:]

How did Captain America do World Wide ? I would think MARVEL would be looking at those numbers for this one

While Captain America: The First Avenger held the top spot at the domestic box office this weekend, its only foreign debut was a respectable $2.8 million in Italy. That's up 16 percent from the first Iron Man but way off from Thor's $5.6 million. Captain expands in to 23 markets next weekend, including the U.K., Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Australia and South Korea.

 

[Spider-Fan]

let not get ahead of ourselves here. Captain America is good but not great and it certainly isnt up there with XFC, Spiderman 2 or Ironman. The story itself has alot of problems and overall leaves alot to be desired.

Me and many others would disagree about Cap not being great.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Also, genre fatigue does happen--ask westerns, musicals or even just the WWII war movies and swords and sandals epics that were everywhere ten years ago.

The thing is, those genres all had very long periods in the sun back when they debued. As Kevin Feige said in the same interview I referred to back there, westerns had a good 40 yr run before folk got tired of them by the 60s.

After a couple of false starts in the 80s and 90s, this is the superhero movie's first solid wave of quality films that is proving it to be a genre that is here to stay.
The wave of films in the 90s were so weak in quality that it only took one movie to bring it down as a viable genre in the eyes of the industry, that wouldn't happen nowadays.

 

[marvelman2006]

Me and many others would disagree about Cap not being great.

I understand and heck I love captain america too but while the movie itself was good and cap overall was portrayed extremely well by chris evans it still left alot to be desired and felt like they held back. My beef with the picture is the CGI was too amatuerish at the end and the weapons used by hydra gave me hot flashes back to 2009 GI JOE and the ending itself seemed great on paper it just came off horribly executed. I also never got the sense that we were in world war 2 at all, I mean sure the US troops looked the part but we never got any nazi's except the 3 briefly nor did they play with actual battles from that time period.

I would rank the marvel movies in this order:

Ironman
Spiderman 2
Captain America
X-men 2
X-men first class
Thor
Incredible hulk
spiderman
All of the others were just forgetable.

Its very hard for anyone who plays the heroes to top what Robert downey Jr did with ironman, He just owned the role and carried the film with ease.

 

[MadVillainy]

I really liked Cap.
FOr me it goes
IM
Cap/TIH
Thor
IM2

However I will agree that sometimes the CGI looked pretty bad

 

[DACrowe]

I agree Cap had a bad ending. I also think being afraid to show Cap killing Nazis was stupid. But the first 2/3 of the movie were so good, I can forgive a rushed third act where the death of Bucky, Red Skull's defeat and Cap getting frozen felt obligatory instead of organic.

How I'd rank the Marvel movies:

1. Spider-Man 2
2. Spider-Man
3. Iron Man
4. X-Men: First Class
5. X2
6. X-Men
7. Thor
8. Captain America

The rest are forgettable to me. That may seem low, but Cap did make it on the list of those worth noting.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

The fatigue seems to be there a bit as none of the superhero movies this year will cross $200 million domestic, much less come in the realm of Batman and Spider-Man. And before someone says it is only well known brands, Iron Man plays in those big box office numbers. Also, X-Men: First Class is part of a popular brand name and while a great movie, is not going to cross $150 million domestic. Thor and Captain America did respectable, but after GL's bomb, this doesn't really make WB more likely to greenlight more non-Bats/Supes characters if they think they can't top $180 million domestic.

Iron Man was an easier sell than Captian America and Thor, both weren't your usual superhero movies, Cap is a World War 2 period piece and Thor is a fantasy movie. Iron Man was more just straight up blockbuster. Both movies are doing well though. The X-Men brand was in the same state as Batman before Batman Begins, so audiences were wary of it, getting burned twice recently. First Class probably would've done better if the release wasn't so hot on the heels of Wolverine, but due to the Fox's deal with Marvel they had to release it quick. Green Lantern was just a bad movie.

I think the success of the Spider-Man reboot will be very interesting. If it is a hit, who knows how far this genre will go. If it bombs and shows that audiences aren't ready to see another Spidey, much less Spidey origin, again then non-Marvel Studios Hollywood may start drifting away from the genre.

The Spider-man reboot will probably do around the same numbers as X-Men First Class, maybe slightly better due to the 3D upsells. Everyone I've talked to think it's too soon to restart the franchise and didn't see anything promising in the trailer. It's gonna be a tough sell for Spidey this time around.

Also, genre fatigue does happen--ask westerns, musicals or even just the WWII war movies and swords and sandals epics that were everywhere ten years ago.

However, some genres can maintain, like horror and romantic comedies, the big problem I see with comic movies maintaining is their cost to make, horror and romantic comedies are cheap.

 

[marvelman2006]

I agree Cap had a bad ending. I also think being afraid to show Cap killing Nazis was stupid. But the first 2/3 of the movie were so good, I can forgive a rushed third act where the death of Bucky, Red Skull's defeat and Cap getting frozen felt obligatory instead of organic.

How I'd rank the Marvel movies:

1. Spider-Man 2
2. Spider-Man
3. Iron Man
4. X-Men: First Class
5. X2
6. X-Men
7. Thor
8. Captain America

The rest are forgettable to me. That may seem low, but Cap did make it on the list of those worth noting.

I agree with that, I dont know if it was chris's acting or the way they handled the skinny body effects but I really felt bad for him and was very happy when Erskine gave him a shot. I just wish the last act had heart like the earlier scenes did. I think too the third act wouldnt have felt so rushed if they trimmed some uneeded stuff like instead of hydra having 5-6 factories maybe just 2? Also I think A better and more meaningful opening would have been cap getting discovered then thawed out and while he is debriefed we are shown his life kinda like what james cameron did with titanic, it would have came off much more better I think. I mean really play with the nostalgic feeling of the time period of world war 2 kinda like Rogers would be sitting there and we slowly see him look out the window and as were going through the modern day streets everything slowly changes to the old period and we then follow captain america on his journey.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I understand and heck I love captain america too but while the movie itself was good and cap overall was portrayed extremely well by chris evans it still left alot to be desired and felt like they held back. My beef with the picture is the CGI was too amatuerish at the end and the weapons used by hydra gave me hot flashes back to 2009 GI JOE and the ending itself seemed great on paper it just came off horribly executed. I also never got the sense that we were in world war 2 at all, I mean sure the US troops looked the part but we never got any nazi's except the 3 briefly nor did they play with actual battles from that time period.

I would rank the marvel movies in this order:

Ironman
Spiderman 2
Captain America
X-men 2
X-men first class
Thor
Incredible hulk
spiderman
All of the others were just forgetable.

Its very hard for anyone who plays the heroes to top what Robert downey Jr did with ironman, He just owned the role and carried the film with ease.

Once again, our opinion. I disagree . I felt Cap was better than Iron Man.

 

[marvelman2006]

Once again, our opinion. I disagree . I felt Cap was better than Iron Man.

Thats cool, end of the day we all win because the more we get better comic book movies then bad ones the longer the genre last. Im just pumped for the avengers.

 

[flickchick85]

How I'd rank the Marvel movies:

1. Iron Man / Spider-Man 2
2. Captain America / X-Men: First Class
3. X2
4. Spider-Man
5. Thor
6. X-Men

Those are the ones worth mentioning, imo.

 

[chaseter]

1. Spider-Man 2
2. Iron Man
3. X2/First Class
4. Captain America
5. Thor
6. Spider-Man
7. X-Men

 

[Spideyfan93]

Speaking nostalgically, the Spider-Man trilogy would be at the top. And the Spider-Man films despite their flaws are very memorable and they smashed the CBM door open for Hollywood after X-Men knocked. But here's mine:

1 Spider-Man 2
2 Iron Man/Cap
3 Spider-Man
4 X-Men 2/X-Men FC
5 Thor/X-Men

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Surprised no one's mentioned Blade yet. The first two movies were pretty good.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't want to make that formal comic movie list yet. I want Cap to sink in before I do. Cap at worst is #2 in my list, but as it compares to SM2...I don't know yet.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Spider-Man 2 is the king of Marvel films and it'll be very hard to ever top. The narrative was...can't even say a word but the story was absolutely fascinating. The acting was top notch. Alfred Molina earned his spot on the best villains ever list because his story and acting elevated the film.

It will be, if it isn't already, a classic. It's not just a great comic book film but a great movie beyond.

Iron Man and Cap are shortly behind. Cap might take Iron Man's spot after a year or two though. Robert Downey Jr. really elevated what could have been a decent movie. He really made the movie a, what will be, classic someday.
Cap's narrative and acting and everything were top notch but I feel like Iron Man is a better film right now. When it sinks in Cap will take the spot though.


Again, nothing has topped Spidey 2 and I don't think a Marvel film ever will. The new series of Andrew Garfield Spidey films could though. Spidey's story is just too damn good.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Spider-Man 2's story and the way it was told is so memorable and incredible. People don't give enough credit tot he depth it has. It has just enough depth for the character of Spider-Man.

 

[Spider-Fan]

SM2 is a remarkable film, and the hate some people have for Raimi I find sad in recent years.

 

[Marvin]

rather watch blade than any of them again

 

[kedrell]

SM2 is a remarkable film, and the hate some people have for Raimi I find sad in recent years.

I don't know if it's so much as hate but I've always had serious issues with both him & Singer in how they adapted their respective franchises. That isn't a recent development either, it was there from day 1.

With Raimi is boils mostly down to his kind of cheese smelling bad to me and it doesn't work.

With Singer it's all about his utter lack of subtlety.

 

[JP]

Since we're ranking what we find worth mentioning:

1. X2
2. First Class
3. Iron Man
4. Captain America
5. Spider-Man
6. X-Men

Everything else is ok to meh. :/