The Rise of Skywalker SW: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER - The Rotten Tomatoes thread

[Sithborg]

More a case of there actually being a singular vision that's at least respectable.

Ehhhh. There is a lot more to a movie than "singular vision". I mean, even if you love Lucas, you have to admit he is a bad director. Likewise, JJ, as good of a director as he is, is a bit weak in the writing.

I do understand the mixed reactions, though.

This won't get into the 60s at this point IMO

Yeah, mathematically, it has become practically impossible.

 

[Detective Conan]

Who’d thought a Star Wars movie directed by J.J. Abrams would get reviewed worse than the killer clown movie directed by Todd Phillips?

Ain’t this a b****?

 

[Detective Conan]

The audience score is what will interest me. I hate critics because I see most being such film snobs and I'm a totally different movie goer

 

[Zorro]

Figured it would be a difference like that. I'm fine with that consensus as it has imagination by default since its star wars and catered to me? Yay yay!

 

[Iceman]

Ehhhh. There is a lot more to a movie than "singular vision". I mean, even if you love Lucas, you have to admit he is a bad director. Likewise, JJ, as good of a director as he is, is a bit weak in the writing.

I do understand the mixed reactions, though.



Yeah, mathematically, it has become practically impossible.

I love Lucas the ideas man from the 70s/80s. I would be horrified if he was named director of anything I cared about now though. I feel they should have scoured his sequel trilogy treatments for anything of value and then kept him at arm's length. I do find it a little confusing how disappointment with these sequel films for some has made the faults of the prequels die away for a bunch of fans. Nothing changed with the prequels lol, they are still the same films with the same weaknesses they always had, even though those weaknesses are very different to the ones that TLJ in particular has.

 

[spiderman2]

I'm just riffing on the usual go to response that people say about movies doing well under Disney.

Disney has done a lot for tv and movies and such and makes a lot of good things but it dosnt mean they are perfect and that people will not rate there things bad. The whole paying people off thing is just silly. Look at the live action disney remakes most of them have not gotten good reviews.

 

[Lily Adler]

It's like a mirror.

 

[spiderman2]

It's like a mirror.

It does give me some hope that this will have better Box office legs and that maybe it wont fill like 90% of people hate it. But do you have any idea like how fast TLJ audience score went down? Remember the movie just had opeing night so of course there is a lot less reviews out then there are for TLJ. Do you known was TLJ audience score low on like day 1 or did it take some time?

 

[Doc Samson]

I think this is a bit of an attempt to make this trilogy 'blend in', but if you separate the movies out by trilogy that's not true. The original trilogy, by most accounts, is well executed and coherent. Given it was the first it deserves more slack since it didn't have the most insane of budgets and established source material to prop it up. One can be a little harsher on the PT since it had more source material and higher budgets to draw on, yet still displayed serious issues on various fronts - but I wouldn't say coherence was as high on the list as narrative choices.

The ST on the other hand, has all the benefits: All Disney's resources to throw at it, a wealth of source material that Disney inexplicably jettisoned, and all the hindsight to know what didn't work before.

I'm holding firm, there's two great movies in this franchise. Everything else is mediocre or worse. Now what you're saying about Disney's resources is true, but the main problem is that Abrams and co. didn't have a set outline of the entire trilogy done before committing FA to film. I don't know how much to blame Disney for that.

I just want to know why, in God's name, it's so wrong for us fans to simply want a straightforward, original, non-meta adventure in the Star Wars universe? All they had to do was hire someone with the slightest amount of enthusiasm for worldbuilding and have them make stories about Luke's Jedi academy and the various adventures they get mixed up in while rebuilding the Republic. It doesn't need to be drenched in nostalgia bait, and it doesn't need to be "meta" or have a bunch of "deep themes" that ultimately amount to Star Wars naval-gazing about its own tropes. It just needs to be a fun adventure about space wizard knights fighting evil in a galaxy of endless possibilities.

I believe you want that. I believe a good majority of the people in these threads want that. I do not think the majority of die hard Star Wars fans in general really want that.

I find it almost offensive that people believe Rian Johnson would deliberately destroy their childhood or something over choices he made that directly correlate to the trilogy he's planned on doing, outside the Skywalker family. He was simply trying to stretch the boundaries and subvert expectations. If the execution wasn't perfect, that's on him but the vitriol has been over the top. I didn't love TLJ, but I certainly found enough in it to place it right beside all the other mediocre films in this franchise.

Have you you seen ''orthodox" DC fans?

It's not as bad as this lol

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's like a mirror.

Give it time. The audience score on this movie will drop. Maybe not TLJ low, but I see it dropping. TLJ had a good score day 1 also

 

[Kuwolski]

I mean, you have to buy a ticket to hate now, so I doubt it reaches the trolling levels of TLJ.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I mean, you have to buy a ticket to hate now, so I doubt it reaches the trolling levels of TLJ.

It will prevent that, but it will also have the same effect as CinemaScore where everything under A- is shaky, which is a bit absurd. That's because the people that make sure to get to see it first are the most eager to like it and probably the easiest to please.

I'm not saying that as a negative, it's not wrong to be a big fan and I'm part of that group for plenty of films. I also don't have any personal preference for this one as I haven't seen the film yet.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I mean, you have to buy a ticket to hate now, so I doubt it reaches the trolling levels of TLJ.

On the other hand, doesn't that exclude the opinions of people like me who have no intention of watching this in theaters and will wait until it hits Disney+?

Basically sets a standard from the outset that you have to like what you see in trailers/leaks enough to be willing to pay the price of a ticket for it.

 

[Kuwolski]

On the other hand, doesn't that exclude the opinions of people like me who have no intention of watching this in theaters and will wait until it hits Disney+?

Basically sets a standard from the outset that you have to like what you see in trailers/leaks enough to be willing to pay the price of a ticket for it.

It does, but by the time it comes on Disney +, your opinion is irrelevant to RT, who are trying to protect the integrity of their site from people who have abused the platform in the past. Besides, how legitimate is it anyway when millions of people around the world see a film in theaters (and millions after theatrical release), yet most films only receive a couple thousand or so audience votes? It's a snap shot more then anything, but hardly a complete picture. You've already voted with your wallet by not seeing it in theaters, I'm sure the money you saved will more then make up for not being able to click a tab on RT.

 

[sueb1863]

Over 6,000 verified ratings now and the audience score is at 86%.

 

[DeadPresident]

I'm holding firm, there's two great movies in this franchise. Everything else is mediocre or worse. Now what you're saying about Disney's resources is true, but the main problem is that Abrams and co. didn't have a set outline of the entire trilogy done before committing FA to film. I don't know how much to blame Disney for that.

I think one can reasonably bump it up to three - the whole OT was great IMO, but I can’t really argue your point.

To be fair if you’re a studio that takes this seriously you would demand an outline and some proper planning from the creative team you put in charge. They had an abundance of resources and time at their disposal - but they just wanted to quickly capitalize on the buzz before SW dies for another decade and churned a bunch of movies out.

Let’s be really honest, Disney is so big right now they can’t fail, they’ve pushed substandard product into fans before and received no serious backlash so I doubt their due diligence and supervision is what it’s supposed to be. They don’t give a **** because they don’t need to, this isn’t their baby and they’re still going to make money hand over fist even if they produce incoherent nonsense like TLJ and ROS, so I’m not surprised two dumpster fires occur when executives are asleep at the wheel.

 

[Gothamsknight]

The entire audience applauded at the end of my screening including myself. This is definitely a crowd pleaser and I think that score reflects that.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

You know what's funny people look at the critics score for Mon of Steel and Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice (TC) and say the movie was hated by both the general public and critics while over half of the audience (MOS 75%) (BvS TC 63%) liked the movie yet it is called a trash movie and a failure. Now ROTJ... I Mean ROS is getting the same response or heading in the same direction. Yet people are putting on beer goggles. I just find this to be very funny and interesting.

 

[Gothamsknight]

The difference for me is that Rise of Skywalker is not only a much better movie than BVS but it also doesnt insult my intelligence like BVS did. in my personal opinion, of course.

 

[MadVillainy]

The audience score is what will interest me. I hate critics because I see most being such film snobs and I'm a totally different movie goer

This is so dumb.
How can they be snobs when a majority liked liked both TFA, TLJ, Wonder Woman, Avatar, Shazam, most of the Fast and Furious movies, and then every MCU, Harry Potter movies.

The whole critics are uptight, snobs, or whatever is just blatantly false. This always comes up when people can't deal with criticism of a movie.

The entire audience applauded at the end of my screening including myself. This is definitely a crowd pleaser and I think that score reflects that.

Ehhh people always say stuff like this when they like a movie and reception is mixed.
I remember when Green Lantern and X-Men Apocalypse came out people said "My audience loved the movie. They applauded at the end"

 

[Gothamsknight]

Yes. But fan reception so far doesn't seem to be as mixed as critics.

 

[Filmfan93]

Yes. But fan reception so far doesn't seem to be as mixed as critics.

Almost every single comment I am seeing on our cinema chain's FB page is nothing, but a positive reaction from people who've seen it

 

[MadVillainy]

You can't really even judge that the movie just came out. Like a few hours ago. And most of the people who saw it were/are hypebeasts for Star Wars.

I'm not saying fans won't like it, at all

 

[C. Lee]

The main thing about viewers responses is.....it seems the people who like it, say they like it a couple of times....the ones who don't like it, say they don't like it, then say they don't like it, and say they don't like it again, and again, and again.......

I'm already seeing that here on the Hype.

 

[MadVillainy]

The main thing about viewers responses is.....it seems the people who like it, say they like it a couple of times....the ones who don't like it, say they don't like it, then say they don't like it, and say they don't like it again, and again, and again.......

I'm already seeing that here on the Hype.

What you mean? Most people are saying they liked it, at least somewhat, over and over. They may have their issues with it, but most of the word right now is overly positive