Syfy Nearing Series Order For "12 Monkeys" Adaptation

[Golgo-13]

Cant wait. I kinda wish Ramsey had turned out to be the witness after all he went through travelling back, spending time in jail, etc. I need to re-watch the last 3 eps so i don't over look any of the details that will likely show up in S2.

 

[Morg]

Cant wait. I kinda wish Ramsey had turned out to be the witness after all he went through travelling back, spending time in jail, etc. I need to re-watch the last 3 eps so i don't over look any of the details that will likely show up in S2.

from another forum you can forget anything about the last season it seems. Be a bit of a reboot of a sorts

 

[Sithborg]

With how this series goes, I would be hesitant to say that.

 

[Sithborg]

Ahh, good old crazy Jennifer. Love that the Ramse/Cole bromance is still on. But not fully healed.

And damn Cassie. A few months in the future is enough to make her a bit of a bad ass. Though I feel a bit bad for that guy. Seems to die fairly quickly in sci-fi shows.

 

[Golgo-13]

Love Badass Cassie. 8 months in the future and she's taking names! She was probably training with Deacon (who reminds me of Negan from The Walking Dead). I'm wondering how many times she splintered before she figured out where to find Cole? She said her and Jones figured out where Jennifer would be after finding the police report in 2044 form the speed dating incident, so she's splintered at least once before coming back to 2016, maybe additionally as i'm sure she went back to get the meds for Deacon as well….

Can't wait to find out where those messengers were sent to and what their mission was, and since Jones took that injection, she won't be affected by the chnages in the past and will regain all her memories….damn i love time travel shows….

Glad it's back!

With how this series goes, I would be hesitant to say that.

They mentioned that the timeline has been changed so it is sort of an alternate timeline, as the lady predicted they'd die on the brige but they didn't. I wonder what changed it; Cassie travelling through time, or the 6 messengers being sent back…?

 

[Sithborg]

Well, based on the first episode, they are at least a little bit wrong. But my point is, it may seem a bit of a reboot, or more accurately a clean slate. But I fell that you never know when those past details may become important. Much how they took a while to show the quite splinter in the pilot.

 

[Golgo-13]

It's not a reboot just more of an alternate timeline, which makes it better because if they all knew everything about every event (other than the virus eventually being released), things would become boring.

That pilot ep has always bothered me. We know when a person splinters, they don't go from one location straight to another. They go back to Jones in the future. Yet in the pilot, Cole is shot in the alley, splinters away then re-appears to Cassie years later with the same bleeding wound. Why would Jones send him back through the machine bleeding....?

 

[Sithborg]

Ramse taking down Deacon verbally was amazing. Though him having hair is difficult to get used to.

And Jennifer being explained opens up a lot of interesting things. Sort of explains her voices.

I do like how they do the major shifts in the timeline. Poor Jones, though it should be fun seeing her get a love interest.

 

[Golgo-13]

Another good ep. Harded Cassie is going to take some getting used to. Her and Cole have switched roles; him now being more compassionate, and her focused on eliminating the threat, no matter what.

Jennifer's voices; are they echoes of the time shifts, because when they burnt the vials, she seemed to realize as Cassie, Cole and Ramsey did (via nose bleeds), that time was changing in the future….?

They still haven't explained the red forest have they?

 

[X-Ray]

Getting slightly irritated by bad ass Cassie. I'm guessing her and Deacon are an item now.

That was such a hard fail by the dynamic duo. They didn't stop ****. Now small red cloud are popping up in the future. What the **** was that?!

 

[Sithborg]

It took me a bit to realize that he was stabbed with his own bone, to create the super paradox. Clearly, creating a paradox with the primaries is a bad idea.

 

[Golgo-13]

I hope this primaries storyline doesn't deviate the overall plot too much from the virus storyline. The virus storyline is believable within the realm of science, but this whole primaries angle is starting to move the show into supernatural/mystical type territory..which i don't like.

I need to rewatch the final two eps of s1, because i can't figure out for the life of me why Cassie has such anomosity towards Cole. He's saved her ass numerous times last season. It's jarring. Or maybe that's the point, seeing as how she was in 2044 for 8 months, but for Cole (and us the viewer) she was gone for a few weeks, etc….

Also, if the new timeline has Cassie still dying in 2018 due to the virus, how does that work if at the point when Cassie and co destroy the vials, Cassie time jumps from 2016 to 2044, making it so that Cassie was never around in 2018…or are there two Cassie in 2016…..?

 

[Sithborg]

I think 8 months in the future has sort of shown her why it is so important to stop the virus. And a little bit of having to survive in that time has made her a bit more hardened.

Is the thing with the primaries any real different than the formula and time travel essentially stopping a person from aging? Considering that the 12 Monkeys seem to be obsessive about the virus, I don't expect it to fall into the background. But, things are expanding a bit more beyond just the virus. Which, as a series, it kind of needs to.

The primaries are an interesting aspect, and sort of expands how they are looking at expanding the lore of time travel. Alternate realities tend to go with time travel.

As for Cassie, don't know at this point. Her time traveling into the future didn't prevent her death at that time. So, until the next major change happens, she is still going to stay in the present and dies and leaves her message.

 

[DCMarv37]

I binged the first season about a week ago, and am up to date on the current (2nd) season - 8p CST later tonight can't get here fast enough!

I am of two minds on the 'show should stick solely to the virus plot' vs 'expanding the story, ie Primaries' debate. Trying to stop the Army of the 12 Monkeys from using the virus that wipes out most of humanity should remain the core plot point, on that I would agree completely... but there does need to be more story to tell, because if it takes X-amount of seasons to reach an end point against just one thing, it would just get quite tedious to watch after an already aired number of seasons.

I don't think it was just "let's try something different" by showing alternate realities and having characters continually bringing up that 'Mother Nature' and 'Time' are entities that are not meant to be messed with. I find it realistic and believable that there are consequences to time travel and changing events, even if done with the intention of trying to prevent horrible things from happening.

I, for one, am hoping Cassie & Cole can get back on that stong friendly (& a little bit more) wavelength they had going for most of S1. I don't expect anything more than that right away - maybe not even at all this season - but hopefully this new fractious paradigm will not last much longer. That, and the idea of her & Deacon, (possibly) together, is just not good for mental harmony.

 

[DCMarv37]

"I'm Honey, she's Babycakes."
"Right now I don't know if you're telling the truth, or I've just read too many H.G. Wells stories."

Lots of questions answered, while opening just as many more questions with this new episode.

I love how this series keeps you on your toes mentally. Always something going on to keep your attention to what's happening on screen.

 

[X-Ray]

Nice twist there with the female messenger and the old man who seem unstoppable from season 1.

 

[DCMarv37]

Nice twist there with the female messenger and the old man who seem unstoppable from season 1.

Agreed. Didn't see it coming, although it does make some sense from a plot-driven story point.

Wonder if Olivia's parent(s) will be the same.

 

[blksuperman2]

I was actually thinking that she was going to be related to Cole somehow. His mom was said to know about the 12 monkeys way before the virus was unleashed.

 

[Golgo-13]

Nice revelation about the female messenger being the mother of the old man from s1.

Now that Cole has prompted Cassie and Ramsey to squash their beef, i hope we've seen the last of Cassie's sudden ' i don't trust him' outbursts ( pertaining to both Cole and Ramsey). They seem so random, forced, over-acted and out of place.

Hope we get to see more of that cop that was in 1944; the one who left them the pic.

Glad the 'witness' is being mentioned again. Most thought he was Ramsey during s1, but I still think he's Cole

When Jones had a hissy fit about looking for the ad in the paper in 2044 and it wasn't there…..it should have been, even though, for us the audience, it hadn't been placed yet. The ad was eventually placed and it was placed years in the past, so it should have been there in 2044 when they were looking for it; in fact it should have been available to them as soon as Ramsey splintered back.

 

[Golgo-13]

I think 8 months in the future has sort of shown her why it is so important to stop the virus. And a little bit of having to survive in that time has made her a bit more hardened.

As for Cassie, don't know at this point. Her time traveling into the future didn't prevent her death at that time. So, until the next major change happens, she is still going to stay in the present and dies and leaves her message.

The only thing i can think of is that at some point Cassie eventually ends back up in 2016, and lives out her life and death in 2018 as planned. What doesn't make sense is that her time travel to the future should now make her immune to the virus, as she's been operating in 2044 for months and has been recieving multiple treatments from Jones…

 

[X-Ray]

I hope to see the cop again too. I think we'll see him over a period of time keeping that room uptight, leaving helpful items for Cole and eventually passing such duties to the guy who led Cole to that room the first time. Plus I like Jay Karnes.

 

[Sithborg]

Goddamn Deacon. Goddamn.

I would bring whiskey back for him if I was Cole as well.

Good episode. But, it's a Jennifer episode, so greatness was to be expected. I really felt bad for her when she had to go off her meds, because it looked like she was getting her life together. Of course, she her friends were fake, but I liked how happy Jennifer seemed to be. At least Cassie seems to come down on being hellbent on killing her.

Also, Ramse and Cole bromance is awesome. Though I did love Cole and Deacon attempting to get the last word to Cassie before she splintered. Really curious about her and Deacon's relationship now, as there has been plenty of signs that they've been close.

 

[X-Ray]

That was creepy as hell the way they communicate with the witness.

Minus the kool aid drink, this was a trip Cassie really needed. It soften her up a bit.

Deacon can have whatever the **** he wants from now on. He wants a dinosaur on the original cross that Jesus was hammered onto. He gets it.

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, Deacon earned that Whiskey..and my respect.

I loved the way they showed them communicating with the witness. I think the FX was cool and creepy.

Are they hinting that Aaron is the witness? I need to go back and re-watch the latter half of season 1 because i can't for the life of me remember how they destroyed the splinter machine they had in 2016 (the one that sent Cassie to 2044 to save her life) and how they created the Messenger children....

 

[Golgo-13]

Love the show, but this ep was pretty 'meh'. Love the buddy drama between Ramse and Cole but the primaries plot this ep seemed to go nowhere. The fact that they're moving this show from scientific time travel and the virus, to magic and mysticism with the Witness, is concerning to me.