The Dark Knight TDK needs to be more intense

[Mylord]

its freaking amazing how Batfanboys pretty much want another "Batman Returns" situation on their hands.

WTF are you talking about? BR was great, dark movie and yet it did pretty well at box office.

Adding unnecessary amouunts of darkness and violence....is not accessible

For little children, maybe but I thought we aren't little kids and want to se a good movie.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

WTF are you talking about? BR was great, dark movie and yet it did pretty well at box office.


For little children, maybe but I thought we aren't little kids and want to se a good movie.

But I was a kid once, and will have some of my own one day. And the day my kids can't see a Batman movie is the day I blow up Hollywood.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

WTF are you talking about? BR was great, dark movie and yet it did pretty well at box office.

Right. The Box Office wasn't the problem for WB.

It was the parents groups and toy sponsors complaining about the violence, which cut into the merchandising profits. That is what got Burton replaced with Joel Schumacher.

For little children, maybe but I thought we aren't little kids and want to se a good movie.

Violence doesn’t always make a good movie. It’s all about the script and the direction, and what purpose the violence serves in the movie, and how it’s executed.

 

[Aethea]

I just want to be able to SEE Batman. In Batman Begins, Nolan held back a lot in showing us the Dark Knight. There was so much art invested into Batman's unique fighting style, but in the end, we simply got limited scopes into Batman's fight sequences. We didn't even see his costume in full glory as the script originally depicted. Nolan held back a lot. I want to be able to see Bats in full glory--cape swaying with the wind--everything--even when he was gliding down the staircase, you could barely tell he was gliding. Hell you never even saw the gloves interact with the cape in creating the rigid cape when Scarecrow set him in flames and he fell down the huge building... No broken ribs...hmmm...

I LOVED Begins, but it wasn't perfect in my taste. Batmans deserves the full enchilada!

BUT I am SURE NOLAN has an awareness of all these limitations and he will remedy these in the sequel. I TRUST this GUY!

 

[El Payaso]

its freaking amazing how Batfanboys pretty much want another "Batman Returns" situation on their hands.

There's a reason BB made 205 million instead of....150 million. And it has to do with a little thing called accessibility.

Adding unnecessary amouunts of darkness and violence....is not accessible.

Question: Do people actually want this new franchise to make money, so that they can continue to make films?

If they're gonna be crap with a good B.O. then no.

 

[Ming]

God I hate this thread.

 

[Tojo]

As long as it isn't overblown, I don't see why not.


Making Bruce someone that pretends to get laid is horrendous. He's still a man, we all have our needs.

Err, ok. He obviously gets laid when he's in a relationship, but then he will always blow them off for his job. He does pretend to be a ladies man with all the bimbos though, this is pretty evident. He doesn't sleep with these girls though, so no one night stands.

As someone said, he is way above that. His energy goes into his job as Batman, and besides, he probably uses his sexual frustration in a productive way when he's scaring a criminal

 

[The Batman]

Well, if by "Batman Returns," you mean a dark, deep movie that explores the insanity and similarities of both Batman and The Joker and the world they live in, then yes, I do want another Batman Returns.

However, blood and sex isn't really that neccesary, through the violence was probably there in Begins--we just couldn't f**king see it.

by batman returns, i mean a movie that polarized half the audience, and didnt make as much as the first movie. the movie that was so dark, it led to batman forever, which led to batman and robin. Not that i dont like the idea of exploring batman and joker's psyche, its just that we dont need to drive away the moviegoers doing it.

however, i do agree with the rest of your post

 

[The Batman]

But I was a kid once, and will have some of my own one day. And the day my kids can't see a Batman movie is the day I blow up Hollywood.

Thank you...

it is utterly amazing how batfans forget that it was movies like B89 and cartoons like BTAS, versions of batman with dark and mature themes that could still be watched by everyone, that made everyday audience members diehard batfans. Now people want too much sex, blood, and violence, things that werent really even apart of frank miller's batman, in the movies. Again, do you want the character to last, or do you really want to throw away the reason why we've been given over 60 years of batman stories and media, just for some useless content that will somehow make the character more adult in your eyes?

 

[Tojo]

Sex, blood and severe violence are in no way neccesary to tell this story. Especially blood and sex. Yeah, violence does need to be shown in it's brutality, abit like Casino Royale and it's black and white opening, but to the point of gratuitious and gruesome is simply too much.

As for Joker, implication is way more effective than flat out showing it. Like if he is about to torture a mob member in tDK, we should see him play with his victim, and then show that indeed this man is about to have a nasty few hrs in the hands of this pyschopath. But showing the whole thing is pointless.

 

[Tojo]

haha, just looking at your avatar 'The Batman' reminds me; i watched Batman and Robin the 60's movie yesterday. Good s**t.

'Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb'. Haha, love it

 

[SamuraiSon6]

Blood,swearing and overly violent images don't make a movie serious or toughing they just make them R rated.

well said hunter rider

 

[hotmail]

Those things (of course with great plot, direction etc.) could make a serious, touching Batman movie. Not a kiddie stuff like Forever, Marvel films and yes, in some part also Begins.


There are movie fans who don't read comics but still like Batman character, they are also important.

If you need to see Batman actually break legs and swear, go rent the Punisher movie instead.

Subtlety or implication is always better.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Some fans just fear the stigmatizing implications of "comic book superheroes," and will make up any B.S. in an attempt to "justify" them as material suitable and unembarrassing for a grown man or woman to enjoy. In their paranoia, they neglect to realize that this stigma has become all but history, as comic heroes (thanks to their movies) have become incredibly mainstream and "hip."

You have to get over your hangups and realize it's not uncool to like Batman just because children like him too. Until they stop making Batman plushies and coloring books, you're S.O.L., so just enjoy the ride.

Begins was a perfect medium. It had adult themes and a compelling story to enrapture adults and just enough gee-whiz excitement to please the kiddies.

 

[hotmail]

Some fans just fear the stigmatizing implications of "comic book superheroes," and will make up any B.S. in an attempt to "justify" them as material suitable and unembarrassing for a grown man or woman to enjoy. In their paranoia, they neglect to realize that this stigma has become all but history, as comic heroes (thanks to their movies) have become incredibly mainstream and "hip."

You have to get over your hangups and realize it's not uncool to like Batman just because children like him too. Until they stop making Batman plushies and coloring books, you're S.O.L., so just enjoy the ride.

Begins was a perfect medium. It had adult themes and a compelling story to enrapture adults and just enough gee-whiz excitement to please the kiddies.

I agree that it was a near-perfect Batman movie.

 

[The Batman]

Some fans just fear the stigmatizing implications of "comic book superheroes," and will make up any B.S. in an attempt to "justify" them as material suitable and unembarrassing for a grown man or woman to enjoy. In their paranoia, they neglect to realize that this stigma has become all but history, as comic heroes (thanks to their movies) have become incredibly mainstream and "hip."

You have to get over your hangups and realize it's not uncool to like Batman just because children like him too. Until they stop making Batman plushies and coloring books, you're S.O.L., so just enjoy the ride.

Begins was a perfect medium. It had adult themes and a compelling story to enrapture adults and just enough gee-whiz excitement to please the kiddies.

damn...this guy gets it so much.

And the thing is, the batman alot of these guys are asking for dosent really exist...

 

[El Payaso]

Err, ok. He obviously gets laid when he's in a relationship, but then he will always blow them off for his job. He does pretend to be a ladies man with all the bimbos though, this is pretty evident. He doesn't sleep with these girls though, so no one night stands.

It's gonna take no time until those dozens of models start spreading the word of the Gay Bruce, since he takes them out and never take them to bed even when they want to. Bad move, Mr. Wayne.

by batman returns, i mean a movie that polarized half the audience, and didnt make as much as the first movie. the movie that was so dark, it led to batman forever, which led to batman and robin. Not that i dont like the idea of exploring batman and joker's psyche, its just that we dont need to drive away the moviegoers doing it.

Batman Returns didn't lead to Batman Forever the same way Batman & Robin didn't lead to Batman Begins. It was executives' decisions, sometimes surprisinlgy idiotic, sometimes surprisingly lucky. People here, like me, are looking for a good Batman movie no matter the later decisions of those people.

Batman Returns has its own merits and people being polarized talk more about people's tastes than about the movie's quality.

it is utterly amazing how batfans forget that it was movies like B89 and cartoons like BTAS, versions of batman with dark and mature themes that could still be watched by everyone, that made everyday audience members diehard batfans.

In fact I don't give half a damn thing about people becoming die hard fans of Batman. But I'm no for sex and blood just for the sake of it. I'm all for it if Nolan really thinks it's something never done and want to experiment with that. If that's the case, then people, parents and kids can go and watch Pirates of the Caribbean.

 

[batmaluco]

Nolan said that "Blade runner" was a film that he loved to watch as a kid.
A great movie can be enjoyed by kids even if not targeted for them exclusively.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

by batman returns, i mean a movie that polarized half the audience, and didnt make as much as the first movie. the movie that was so dark, it led to batman forever, which led to batman and robin. Not that i dont like the idea of exploring batman and joker's psyche, its just that we dont need to drive away the moviegoers doing it.

however, i do agree with the rest of your post

I wouldn't go as far as to say it polarized half the audience, as much as McDonalds got nerveous and pulled some toys off the market. Hell, the same thing nearly happened with Begins, if I remember correctly.

The problem with trying to please them all is that the general audience is never going to be completely pleased. TDK could be full of cute bunnies and sunshine and there's going to be some extreme group whooping and hollering.

Personally, I hope that they can get away with a bit more this time around--the thing is about movies "unfit for general audiences," is that if the film is good enough, people are going to see it anyway. Perhaps audiences weren't ready for a darker superhero tale like Returns, but with more mature comic book movies out now, like The Punisher, Sin City, and 300, I think they are.

Thank you...

it is utterly amazing how batfans forget that it was movies like B89 and cartoons like BTAS, versions of batman with dark and mature themes that could still be watched by everyone, that made everyday audience members diehard batfans. Now people want too much sex, blood, and violence, things that werent really even apart of frank miller's batman, in the movies. Again, do you want the character to last, or do you really want to throw away the reason why we've been given over 60 years of batman stories and media, just for some useless content that will somehow make the character more adult in your eyes?

Yeah, BTAS is a good example of how to work with both kids and adults--but, if they decide to go with pandering s**t like "I've Got Batman in my Basement," I'm invading WB Jay & Silent Bob style.

Nolan said that "Blade runner" was a film that he loved to watch as a kid.
A great movie can be enjoyed by kids even if not targeted for them exclusively.

Indeed--a lot of the movies I loved as a kid weren't completely targeted for me. Hell, I loved ROBOCOP, and that sure as s**t wasn't intended for kids.

 

[Mylord]

For what we know for now, the movie will be about a guy who fight corruption, injustice and homicidal maniacs. I don't think it's premise for children movie. Why don't do it as it should be - serious, moving, memorable instead of ****ty movie targeted for kids and teenagers, driven by laugable romance, grotesque violence, cgi and on-liners (don't you have enough of them?). Begins was a step in right direction, and in the sequel Nolan should feel more comfortable (he's a producer this time, right?) and do something he obviously wanted to do but wasn't allowed first time.

 

[Crooklyn]

Nolan pretty much had free control over BB. He himself even mentioned that the movies should be able to watched by children. Mind you, this does not mean that it's targeted towards said demographic, just that the viewed material would be suitable for most ages.

 

[NoName86]

There really is one thing this movies doesn't need, and that is sex scenes. God that's so freaking cliched, you can find it in 99.9999999999% of other movies, why in the world would you want it in this? Because it is only plausible that Bruce would want to have sex? Duh, that' human nature and is suggested regardless...why does it need to be shown? Or better yet, it IS...yes you heard me, it IS possible that he might not have/want sex! People are that disciplined, as insane as it sounds. I think some of you folks are too hardcore about this whole thing, and you nit pick at the smalllllest little things. You'll end up ruining the movie for yourselves if you nit pick after such small things (and i'm not just talking about sex scenes, i'm speaking about all the small miniscule things people complain about as if it will make or break the movie for them, the movie isn't tailroed made for you.) My apologies, it just gets annoying to see people whining like children over things that otherwise would mean absolutely nothing to the movie being truly good or not.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

There really is one thing this movies doesn't need, and that is sex scenes. God that's so freaking cliched, you can find it in 99.9999999999% of other movies, why in the world would you want it in this? Because it is only plausible that Bruce would want to have sex? Duh, that' human nature and is suggested regardless...why does it need to be shown? Or better yet, it IS...yes you heard me, it IS possible that he might not have/want sex! People are that disciplined, as insane as it sounds. I think some of you folks are too hardcore about this whole thing, and you nit pick at the smalllllest little things. You'll end up ruining the movie for yourselves if you nit pick after such small things (and i'm not just talking about sex scenes, i'm speaking about all the small miniscule things people complain about as if it will make or break the movie for them, the movie isn't tailroed made for you.) My apologies, it just gets annoying to see people whining like children over things that otherwise would mean absolutely nothing to the movie being truly good or not.

Yeah, I'm not interested in a sex scene--at best, it should be handled like in '89, where we only see before and after the event.

 

[batman7289]

mylord u are new.
havent u read any of the interviews by bale and/or nolan.?
they said tdk will be more intense.
CLOSE THREAD

 

[Inky-Bot5000]

Mylord I'm feeling your point man, I mean Mask of the Phantasm had most of those things you asked for so I don't see why it'd be out of the question for TDK. As long as it goes towards making a better movie I'm all for it.