The Dark Knight TDK needs to be more intense

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Nolan pretty much had free control over BB. He himself even mentioned that the movies should be able to watched by children. Mind you, this does not mean that it's targeted towards said demographic, just that the viewed material would be suitable for most ages.

It's about money. The more people excluded because of graphic material, the less chance that it will turn a profit.

 

[The Only Woj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUZM4cwBsuU

if they pull the camera out and keep it in one take (no billion camera cuts) like the behind the scenes footage, it'll be amazing. how great did the Arkham fight look (the very first clip in the beginning they show) at that angle? looked more intense than the film version did.

 

[Heretic]

Bad language: Who cares? It adds nothing of depth to the film (or an actual conversation). Cussing just to show people that its "street" or "real" to cuss is silly.

Bloodshed: I'm fine with it, if it's called for. I don't want Kill Bill, but some blood is fine.

Sex: Absolutely not. Bruce Wayne is not a "Playboy". He merely pretends to be one to keep up appearances. While he is out with the ladies having a great time he is spending that entire time thinking about crime, the unsolved cases are being run through over and over, he wishes he was out there busting the heads of the bad guys. His only reason for going along with it is to continue the charade. I would assume that there could be a moment where he'd lose his self control with a woman he loved, but would probably regret it feeling that he had put her ahead of his mission or endangered her. In the original run of Batman movies he was falling for a different hot chick in every movie (and I wont even get into how many times he revealed his identity) and thats not how Batman operates. A slow moving romantic type storyline with Rachel is fine...I EXPECT my Batman movies to be handled that way.

 

[Nepenthes]

^ Agree with the language and blood but not sex. Bruce is human and humans like sex, and the playboy act is fun to watch on screen. He should be surrounded by ladies - and the audience will assume he sleeps with them - but no he shouldn't go falling for them.

More rationale? Morrison's explanation is perfect - sex actually assists his mission by keeping him physically healthy, happy and balanced. It's not like he has to invest time and resources to get it, it's basically on call.

 

[El Payaso]

Mh, at some point ladies will start seriously thinking he's gay tring to cover himself.

 

[Crooklyn]

They'll only start doing that if all the girls are asking each other, "so have you done Bruce?" and every single one goes

 

[El Payaso]

"so have you done Bruce?"

He just takes me home and goes to see Luicius Fox. The guy's living with an old man, girl, I tell you, I don't know anymore.

 

[kenellard]

Bruce Wayne is a brownie hound

 

[Heretic]

This may sound weird...but to me Bruce doesn;t even exist. he's a mask that Batman puts on in order to assist in his mission. Therefore, in my mind he would not WANT to go out partying, he would not WANT to be a womanizer.

My Batman is crazy...I guess yours is just too darn sexy to be a hero all the time.

 

[Ryan227]

I think BB was intense though I mean you don't get much more intense then a city full of people hallucinating their worst fear on everything they see. Violence? You want more violence then a guy dressed as a bat being set on fire and falling out of a building from 5 floors up down to the street after being poisoned? I agree that the next movie needs to have a new level of intensity but I find it hard to agree that BB wasn't intense enough.

 

[itsthebatman]

This may sound weird...but to me Bruce doesn;t even exist. he's a mask that Batman puts on in order to assist in his mission. Therefore, in my mind he would not WANT to go out partying, he would not WANT to be a womanizer.

My Batman is crazy...I guess yours is just too darn sexy to be a hero all the time.

Are you Frank Miller?
Seriously, though, that's one take. But I think Bruce and Batman both exist, in the Bruce Wayne:Fugitive arc, Batman left his Bruce Wayne life behind but realised in the end that he was Bruce before he was Batman and that a lot of his values were instilled in him by his father. The Batman/Bruce of BB seems to me to be more in line with the 70's O'Neil/Adams, Englehart/Rogers persona, and that Bruce had a steady, real, believable relationship with Silver St Cloud, not the obsessed, moody loner of the 90s and early to mid 00s.
Personally, I don't like the idea of a crazy Batman - he is different from his rogue's gallery, he is a HERO.

 

[Crooklyn]

This may sound weird...but to me Bruce doesn;t even exist. he's a mask that Batman puts on in order to assist in his mission. Therefore, in my mind he would not WANT to go out partying, he would not WANT to be a womanizer.

My Batman is crazy...I guess yours is just too darn sexy to be a hero all the time.

Well I guess your Batman isn't the one depicted in BB then.

 

[itsthebatman]

Well I guess your Batman isn't the one depicted in BB then.

Succinctly put.

 

[Heretic]

Really? How so???

In batman begins he CLEARLY is faking his womanizing and party ways. he was going out and making a scene so that people would never guess him as batman. You think he was actually drunk and flip flopping around a restaurants fountain?? No, he did that as a distraction technique. if you dont realize that then you misread the intent of the scene.

 

[Crooklyn]

I wasn't referring to that.

You say your personal Batman involves a Bruce that is nothing but a facade, and only when he does put on his cowl, he feels he is in his true form.

BB highly contradicts this. Not only is Bruce is composed of playboy/vigilante/loner, but it's clear that Batman to him, is still just a symbol of hope...NOT his true self.

 

[Heretic]

Thats because batman is BEGINNING

the dude gets crazier with time, as clearly evidenced in the comics.

 

[Crooklyn]

That's more of a guess if anything. My original statement still wasn't wrong.

 

[fabman]

I don't think so!

 

[Heretic]

Of course its a guesss...a guess based on the comics...but a guess nevertheless.

besides, im not saying that Bruce doesnt feel or is incapable of love. his love for his parents (and his fear of something bad happening to someone he loves like rachel) is the fuel that keeps him going as batman...

But the Bruce wayne the public knows is a facade...clearly

 

[Ryan227]

I agree with Heretic. I think as Bruce goes on as Batman he gets himself lost more and more into the persona of Batman and loses Bruce.

I have a feeling that TDK will be the dissent of Bruce into the "madness" that is the cowl. The third movie to me is him triumphing over this and finding himself again, realizing he needs both Bruce and Bats to be "whole".

 

[Mr. Thing]

Thats because batman is BEGINNING

the dude gets crazier with time, as clearly evidenced in the comics.

Exactly. Think of what Rachel says to him near the end of the film.

 

[Heretic]

I love how DC slowly drove bats over the edge. A lot of people didnt like that storyline, but to me it seemed natural for him to slowly get more and more paranoid and wrapped up in being batman...look at the crap it caused in DC though...he clearly needs both sides to be sane...but he doesnt have both sides...the journey to reclaim that is a good concept...joker is just the villian to push the buttons as well...

 

[Ryan227]

Exactly! Think where they could go with this having Bruce push himself to his mental and physical limit and lose his true self during TDK.

 

[wikum]

This film will feel 20 times darker than begins, just because Katie Holmes isn't in it......I promise.

 

[El Payaso]

This film will feel 20 times darker than begins, just because Katie Holmes isn't in it......I promise.

That is so a fact.