The Dark Knight TDK needs to be more intense

[Ryan227]

This film will feel 20 times darker than begins, just because Katie Holmes isn't in it......I promise.

t:t:t:t:t: That's the greatest quote I have seen in a long time, LOL!

Edit: hope its ok but that just became my sig!

 

[NeoQuaker]

I want Bale to make this facial expression atleast once in The Dark Knight, preferably towards the Joker. Website is kinda weird so no direct link, just a little work:

http://www.christianbale.net/home.htm

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Look at the intensity, the hotness, the power, like he could kick anyone's ass, mentally and physically. It's the most intimidating facial expression I've ever seen.

 

[wikum]

t:t:t:t:t: That's the greatest quote I have seen in a long time, LOL!

Edit: hope its ok but that just became my sig!

lol yea go for it i dont mind.

 

[Agentsands77]

I agree with Heretic. I think as Bruce goes on as Batman he gets himself lost more and more into the persona of Batman and loses Bruce.

There are plenty of writers and creators who would very much disagree with that assessment. I personally choose to believe that Bruce and Batman are two facets of a singular persona. It's not that one is artificial or the other is more real, though they do come out at different times. Especially since Bruce Wayne is every bit as intregal to his crusade to save Gotham as Batman is.

Now, to be true, he does lose some aspects of Bruce. BEGINS pointed to the loss of the carefree, non-driven, childhood Bruce. But it's not like Bruce Wayne/Batman suddenly loses all sense of humor and becomes a stoic jerk (which is how it often has been painted in the comics). He just becomes directly focused on his crusade, which means a different thing than losing one aspect of his personality.

I have a feeling that TDK will be the dissent of Bruce into the "madness" that is the cowl. The third movie to me is him triumphing over this and finding himself again, realizing he needs both Bruce and Bats to be "whole".

From what we know of THE DARK KNIGHT, I'm not so sure that it's going to be the arc. I think the character arc of THE DARK KNIGHT and BB3 is going to be coming to terms with a very tragic realization - his crusade might never end, whereas it initially seemed like it would be finished relatively easily.

 

[Crooklyn]

From what we know of THE DARK KNIGHT, I'm not so sure that it's going to be the arc. I think the character arc of THE DARK KNIGHT and BB3 is going to be coming to terms with a very tragic realization - his crusade might never end, whereas it initially seemed like it would be finished relatively easily.

Don't know about that:

Alfred: Will you be back in Gotham for long, sir?
Bruce: As long as it takes. I'm gonna show the people of Gotham that their city doesn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.

That highly suggests Bruce has no clue when his crusade will be over, but at that point, he's committed to fulfilling his duty until he's no longer needed.

 

[Agentsands77]

Don't know about that:

Alfred: Will you be back in Gotham for long, sir?
Bruce: As long as it takes. I'm gonna show the people of Gotham that their city doesn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.

That highly suggests Bruce has no clue when his crusade will be over, but at that point, he's committed to fulfilling his duty until he's no longer needed.

I don't think he grasps the whole of it there, though. It's very easy to toss off, "as long as it takes" without really knowing what that means. At that point, he thinks it means taking down Falcone and organized crime within the Gotham structure. He hadn't even really come to realize that it meant no serious romantic relationships (it's Rachel who really has to show him that a romance won't work as long as he's Batman). There's a naivete there. It's kind of like Wagner's Batman in BATMAN AND THE MONSTER MEN, who believes his crusade on crime will be over in a few years and he might be able to marry Julie Madison.

Batman has no idea that he's going to fight something worse than the mob. THE DARK KNIGHT is going to be Batman facing a new breed of crime, one that he couldn't possibly have anticipated. It's going to take a toll on him. I think he's going to come to see himself in a very sacrificial way. He is truly the Dark Knight.

 

[Shoemeister]

Batman has no idea that he's going to fight something worse than the mob. THE DARK KNIGHT is going to be Batman facing a new breed of crime, one that he couldn't possibly have anticipated. It's going to take a toll on him. Add into that the personal losses, and I think he's going to see himself in a very sacrificial way. He is truly the Dark Knight.

My thought exactly. This Joker character is gonna come out of left field. It'll be quite the test for Bats. The man had no idea what he truly getting into, and yet, he must accept it. It's his commitment.

 

[itsthebatman]

I don't think he grasps the whole of it there, though. It's very easy to toss off, "as long as it takes" without really knowing what that means. At that point, he thinks it means taking down Falcone and organized crime within the Gotham structure. He hadn't even really come to realize that it meant no serious romantic relationships (it's Rachel who really has to show him that a romance won't work as long as he's Batman). There's a naivete there. It's kind of like Wagner's Batman in BATMAN AND THE MONSTER MEN, who believes his crusade on crime will be over in a few years and he might be able to marry Julie Madison.

Batman has no idea that he's going to fight something worse than the mob. THE DARK KNIGHT is going to be Batman facing a new breed of crime, one that he couldn't possibly have anticipated. It's going to take a toll on him. I think he's going to come to see himself in a very sacrificial way. He is truly the Dark Knight.

*thwap*
That is the sound of a nail being hit firmly on the head.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I don't think he grasps the whole of it there, though. It's very easy to toss off, "as long as it takes" without really knowing what that means. At that point, he thinks it means taking down Falcone and organized crime within the Gotham structure. He hadn't even really come to realize that it meant no serious romantic relationships (it's Rachel who really has to show him that a romance won't work as long as he's Batman). There's a naivete there. It's kind of like Wagner's Batman in BATMAN AND THE MONSTER MEN, who believes his crusade on crime will be over in a few years and he might be able to marry Julie Madison.

Batman has no idea that he's going to fight something worse than the mob. THE DARK KNIGHT is going to be Batman facing a new breed of crime, one that he couldn't possibly have anticipated. It's going to take a toll on him. I think he's going to come to see himself in a very sacrificial way. He is truly the Dark Knight.

Precisely. By the end of Begins, even in the face of having to fix the devastation caused by Ra's and to corral all those escaped inmates, he is ever the optimist. "We CAN bring Gotham back," he assures Gordon.

As things escalate, we'll see how his faith holds up.

 

[Ryan227]

There are plenty of writers and creators who would very much disagree with that assessment. I personally choose to believe that Bruce and Batman are two facets of a singular persona. It's not that one is artificial or the other is more real, though they do come out at different times. Especially since Bruce Wayne is every bit as intregal to his crusade to save Gotham as Batman is.

Now, to be true, he does lose some aspects of Bruce. BEGINS pointed to the loss of the carefree, non-driven, childhood Bruce. But it's not like Bruce Wayne/Batman suddenly loses all sense of humor and becomes a stoic jerk (which is how it often has been painted in the comics). He just becomes directly focused on his crusade, which means a different thing than losing one aspect of his personality.

From what we know of THE DARK KNIGHT, I'm not so sure that it's going to be the arc. I think the character arc of THE DARK KNIGHT and BB3 is going to be coming to terms with a very tragic realization - his crusade might never end, whereas it initially seemed like it would be finished relatively easily.

I don't think Bruce should completely lose who he is in the sense of he loses his personality, sense of humor, etc. but rather that he loses himself into the mission of Batman and therefore surpresses the Bruce persona.

I see where you're coming from, I think though that Bruce does come to some sort of realization that this is an ongoing battle until it ends although I don't think he realizes that it will consume the vast majority of his adult life.

 

[The Only Woj]

I just hope we don't be Bruce/Batman believing that he is responsible for what's happening to Gotham. He IS responsible, but only because he saved the city from destruction. Either there would be no Gotham at all, or the Gotham full of psychos that there is now. Hopefully the character is well-aware of that and comments like Gordon's "and you're wearing a mask and jumping off rooftops" don't pursuade him to blame himself for the crime he fights to stop.

 

[Ryan227]

I think that a dilemma such as the chicken or the egg happens, what came first the freaks or the Bat? A paradox that eventually can't be solved because they are so coexistent.

 

[bdsproductions]

If it serves the story, minus of course, if its in bad taste (i.e. Joker going around raping and torturing 15 year old girls or some such stuff), then no, but if it serves the story, fine, as much violence within certain boundries as neccisary.

For the sake of it? No, thats pointless.

 

[Nepenthes]

Violence:

I actually had a dream about the Joker and it was most unwelcome. He was shuffling around in a dark backroom somewhere, dressed completely in black - suit, shirt and tie. He arranged a blank white canvas under the kind of lights you use for photoshoots. Then from somewhere he grabbed a young waiter guy who was crying and blubbering and he gently moved the waiter in front of the canvas. He kinda whispered to him and then shot him point blank in the head. Blood and brains went all over then canvas, the Joker looked at it with his arms folded, pouted, then kicked the canvas onto the ground and grabbed another waitress, this time a girl.

Eeech. Definitely not PG-13! but knowing Nolan if there's violence in TDK it will definitely have a point. Like this dream kinda did, I think....

 

[Ryan227]

Violence:

I actually had a dream about the Joker and it was most unwelcome. He was shuffling around in a dark backroom somewhere, dressed completely in black - suit, shirt and tie. He arranged a blank white canvas under the kind of lights you use for photoshoots. Then from somewhere he grabbed a young waiter guy who was crying and blubbering and he gently moved the waiter in front of the canvas. He kinda whispered to him and then shot him point blank in the head. Blood and brains went all over then canvas, the Joker looked at it with his arms folded, pouted, then kicked the canvas onto the ground and grabbed another waitress, this time a girl.

Eeech. Definitely not PG-13! but knowing Nolan if there's violence in TDK it will definitely have a point. Like this dream kinda did, I think....

 

[bdsproductions]

Violence:

I actually had a dream about the Joker and it was most unwelcome. He was shuffling around in a dark backroom somewhere, dressed completely in black - suit, shirt and tie. He arranged a blank white canvas under the kind of lights you use for photoshoots. Then from somewhere he grabbed a young waiter guy who was crying and blubbering and he gently moved the waiter in front of the canvas. He kinda whispered to him and then shot him point blank in the head. Blood and brains went all over then canvas, the Joker looked at it with his arms folded, pouted, then kicked the canvas onto the ground and grabbed another waitress, this time a girl.

Eeech. Definitely not PG-13! but knowing Nolan if there's violence in TDK it will definitely have a point. Like this dream kinda did, I think....

Ooooooooooookay?

 

[Crimsonvampyre]

holy crap BDS it's you? cool.