The Dark Knight Rises TDKR Oscar Chances?

[Tacit Ronin]

That's not to say its not an amazing film. But some things clearly feel rushed, and modines character and arc were not so successfully pulled off. I think the script for tdkr was probably incredible, but was a little harder to pull off in the film. In fact I'd say the script should certainly be up for Oscar contention.

The script is nearly identical to the film (barring one scene of Ra's training Bane). So no. It shouldn't and won't be up for any Oscar nominations.

As well as costume design.

The only costume that is even remotely striking is Bane's overcoat. Batman's suit is the same as the one from TDK's and Catwoman's suit is uninspired. I don't see any reason why it would get a nomination for that.

 

[BatLobster]

Don't get that post either. Personally I loved the performances in Rises and wouldn't object to JGL or maybe Hathaway getting a nom but not one performance was on par with Ledgers Joker and the villains weren't was well writen as The Joker was. Hardy is a brillaint actor who's actual fine performance was undercut by a poorly written character whom's motivation and everything else was harmed by a very sloppy twist. And Hathaway vanished from the movie too much for her character and performance to have the impact that it should have had. I'm not obsessed with Ledger Joker like some are but even I can't deny his performance. TDKR's is a fun film and I liked it but even if I controlled the Oscar's it wouldn't be getting a best pic nom. It's a movie that chickens out on it's have and have not themes and that bomb plot is just goofy as all get out for a movie with the tone it has. I could get into other things but I won't right now I'll just say that it doesn't deserve a nom and I doubt that it will get one.

I really don't think it chickened out on the have and have not themes. What was the film supposed to be saying? I thought it was more to provide a landscape to the story that people would could connect with (as it's one of the oldest themes in the book), rather than something that was meant to be explored in-depth. This was a story about Bruce Wayne rising from the darkness that has plagued his life at its heart, not a political movie with a specific agenda.

The fact that it even went there was far more than most films of the genre have done, and it's certainly the first Batman story I can think of that had such a prominent environment of class war and social uprising.

It's not about delivering a definitive message about the poor and the rich, it's about giving the film a bleak landscape to contrast with the climactic heroism at the heart of the story.

 

[intothevoid]

In what respects does TDKR "enhance" TDK?

TDK’s Ending

Within TDK we see the following:
- Batman’s faith in people is rewarded with Ferry’s not blowing up
- Fox’s faith in Bruce is rewarded by Sonar computer being wired to self destruct
- Bruce’s faith in Rachel is rewarded by Alfred sheltering him from the truth about her choosing Dent

But the question remains at the end: is Gotham’s faith in Dent rewarded? Gotham doesn’t believe in the Batman, especially after the events of TDK and them being fed the lie that Batman was responsible for the death of their White Knight. Having faith in Dent was about giving Gotham a shot at clean streets.

‘Think of all you could do with 18 months of clean streets’

That is the promise of Dent. That is the faith that needs to be rewarded to fulfil the promise of TDK’s ending to it’s fullest.
TDKR says, yes, even Gotham’s faith in Dent was rewarded. 18 months of clean streets becomes 8 years due to the Dent act.

Common arguments I hear is on how TDKR undermines TDK

1. TDKR undermines TDK because it flips the idea of faith being rewarded. Because TDKR takes the story TDK and says that eventhough this peace may have superficially lasted for 8 yrs, eventually, the fact that its based on a lie will catch up with it. Same goes for the lie Bruce has been living - that Rachel was going to wait for him. The lie that's effectively made him a recluse.

My Opinion:
I think where TDKR takes this is a development of that idea, not a contradiction. Sometimes lying is a necessary evil, to keep the peace, but eventually, everyone has to face the truth. I thought that was a poignant message.

2. TDKR undermines TDKR because it ignores Joker:
For me TDKR enhances TDK because it tells us how gravely the events of that film effected Bruce, and Gotham. It doesn’t have to mention the Joker explicitly to do that. But logic dictates that the Joker caused the events of TDK and therefore his presence is all over TDKR.

Secondly, we are not told Joker's fate in the film, so we can assume he must be still locked up in Arkham. (In fact that's exactly what is said about him in the novel I believe). We can also infer that Robin Blake is the new Batman. So for me the 'you and I are destined to do this forever' line still rings true. Joker will inevitably break out at some stage and Batman 2.0 will have to face him.

 

[georgec]

I see technical nominations and perhaps a few wins for TDKR, but probably no nominations for director/actors/movie.

 

[TDKR2012]

IMO, TDKR will get a TON of nominations, but few wins (the wins will be in the technical categories). But still, it's name being nominated so many times will make up for it being "ignored" at the 2008 Oscars...

and yes, I believe this will get a best picture nomination. but won't win.



Do you guys think the Colorado shooting will have any effect for better/for worse in this years Oscars in terms of nominating TDKR?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Imo, TDKR could possibly be nominated for...

- Best Film
- Best Director
- Best Score
- Best Sound Editing
- Best Sound Mixing
- Best Cinematography
- Best Visual Effects

And MAYBE Best Film Editing

At best, TDKR could be a lock for sound editing, sound mixing and cinematography.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Imo, TDKR could possibly be nominated for...

- Best Film
- Best Director
- Best Score
- Best Sound Editing
- Best Sound Mixing
- Best Cinematography
- Best Visual Effects

And MAYBE Best Film Editing

At best, TDKR could be a lock for sound editing, sound mixing and cinematography.

Hardy deserves a Nomination. The guy sold me with his eyes alone.

The performance should be shown to aspiring actors from here on out. Its a lesson on how to act through body language. His movements, his cadence...the guy oozed menace & physical power.

The moments that thrill me every single viewing are:

1) How he stands up after climbing over the tumbler before giving his speech at the prison. His posture there is titanic.

2) His slow walk towards Batman right before the first fight commences. Its a brilliant statement that says "You sir, are ******." The rhythm he displays through his shoulders - again, great acting.

3) The shot of Bane as he looks for Batman in the crowd in the last fight. It was epic in the trailer but soooo much more powerful in 15/70. Hardy's eyebrows do all the work here and the result is simply frightening.

 

[The Riddler]

i'm 75% sure tdkr will be nominated for best picture.

it allows them to get ratings, allows them to right 2008, and allows them to honor the franchise. it will not win, of course.

 

[regwec]

The anti-3D/Digital crusade on his part is something much older than TDKR. I think he reached an ultimate level of disgust after he watched Attack of The Clones & remained cautious about the escalation of Digital in the medium. When 3D exploded, he was able to simply advocate the inferior quality and overall pointless effect of it.

Okay, but you seemed to be implying that this had something to do with the movie's supposed references to the Syrian crises (which had yet to begin when filming began). Is this the case?

The implications to Syria I think were always on the page. TDK was the post-9/11 effect, TDKR is the natural progression of that - where the terrorists are no longer seeking to merely attack western civilization, but rather destroy it.

Yes, but the Syrian crisis had not begun until after the script had been written and filming was almost finished.

Again, how could Nolan et al have been writing an allegory about something that had yet to happen?

You began this train of thought by claiming that the "Lazarus Pit" was in some way a metaphor for Syria. How, specifically?

What I like about the way Nolan introduced these parallels is that he never spells anything out for you. He wants you to see these things on your own & connect the dots.

"Are you paying attention?".

Yes, I am paying attention. But, with respect, I think you have been applying your imagination to find cultural parallels that just aren't there.

 

[TheBat812]

I would agree with that in the sense that nolan's not relating to specific events, but he is certainly exploring universal political themes that do mirror those real life conflicts.

Excelsior, what I'm saying is things like fixing his broken back, leg brace, etc, are perfectly fine in script form, and in fact enhance the film, but are a bit jarring when actually watching the film. If this were simply a comic story it would certainly be acceptable.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Best art design hands down. Creating a realistic city on the brink of social calamity did require a lot of visual base and knowledge on how that would look without being over the top or too light. It looked real.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

And yet TDK got its Oscar, in the supporting actor field, and you agree that TDKR won't.

Please explain what "oscarworthy" means, if not "able to win Oscars".

TDKR has better and bigger story compared to TDK. It's definetely more "epic" story and more rewarding "human spirit" compared to TDK. These are some of the themes academy loves.

TDKR is like Gladiator,Braveheart,Ben Hur etc. movies of action genre. TDK was like Fight Club,Taxi Driver of that genre.

TDKR is more oscar worthy for that reason. Same reason why Rocky win over Taxi Driver back in the day.

I'm talking about best picture nomination. Not actors or other nominations.

 

[The Guard]

Best art design hands down. Creating a realistic city on the brink of social calamity did require a lot of visual base and knowledge on how that would look without being over the top or too light. It looked real.

It apparently required them to do nothing except clean the streets...

 

[Ultimatehero]

It apparently required them to do nothing except clean the streets...

Crane's court house and that whole entire building is just one example of a set that could have looked ridiculous but looked realistic, for example.

The whole ice and the bridge as well.

The stock piling of all of the cars could have looked ridiculous.

Bane's base could have looked cartoony, but it seemed world world grounded.

Same with the idea of a prison buried into a pit.

Basically MANY of the things in the movie could have seemed over done with bad art design, instead it all looked like these things could happen and exist.

 

[The Guard]

Nothing overdone about furniture piled on top of furniture to make a giant bench...

Might as well just give them the Oscar.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Yeah, you can deduce it like that. But, the simplicity of it is what makes it work when another art director really could have gone overboard. It seemed real. And as someone who walked around on these sets trust me when I say they paid attention to every little detail.

 

[DACrowe]

TDKR probably won't be nominated for BP. However, with that said I guarantee it will be better than at least three or four of the 9-10 nominations we'll see early next year. Just as it was better than probably 4 or 5 of the nominations for last year. If it gets nominated it will be a make-up for TDK being infamously snubbed. If it isn't, it will be because it is not as good as TDK.

Either way, it is still a very well done movie that will be superior to a number of bland, mediocre films that the Academy will promote for no other reason than they are politically viable (movies like The Blind Side, Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, The Reader or The Help).

My quick opinion.

 

[DACrowe]

Nothing overdone about furniture piled on top of furniture to make a giant bench...

Might as well just give them the Oscar.

You must really hate this movie. Months after release, you still come here to knock it in ever single thread.

I do not know if it is Oscar worthy (will have to see competition from films like Les Miserables, Lincoln, Argo, The Life of Pi, Django Unchained, etc.), but it was pretty impressive. The combination of French Revolution imagery in NYC being executed in a way that looked like a real social collapse? Certainly worth a compliment.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Django Unchained for BP? Hell no. It looks like Kill Bill/Inglourious Basterds hybrid.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Django Unchained for BP? Hell no. It looks like Kill Bill/Inglourious Basterds hybrid.

Agreed. Django looks to be another Deathproof & The Academy could care less.

TDKR has a solid chance at landing the Best Picture Nomination. Its this year's Inception in terms of scale and scope.

 

[regwec]

Tarantino is the world's most overrated film maker, in my opinion. Stock characters, knowingly tinny dialogue, comic book violence and scores lifted from other movies were amusing the first couple of times, but have run their course.

Chrisopher Waltz apart, "Basterds" was the most stupid and tasteless film I have seen for many years.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Tarantino is the world's most overrated film maker, in my opinion. Stock characters, knowingly tinny dialogue, comic book violence and scores lifted from other movies were amusing the first couple of times, but have run their course.

Chrisopher Waltz apart, "Basterds" was the most stupid and tasteless film I have seen for many years.

I gotta dissagree about Basterds being anything other than a great film. The scene with Fassbender in the Nazi bar alone makes it a great movie for me & there are a dozen other scenes like it in the film.

Definitely worthy of a Best Picture Nomination.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I have feeling The dark Knight rises could be snubbed by academy.Hope I am wrong.
Anne Hathaway will probally be nominated for Les Mes.

 

[regwec]

I gotta dissagree about Basterds being anything other than a great film. The scene with Fassbender in the Nazi bar alone makes it a great movie for me & there are a dozen other scenes like it in the film.

Definitely worthy of a Best Picture Nomination.

No, it's racist, moronic, misogynistic crap.

I would like to believe that there is an "Emperor's New Clothes" ploy behind the movie, with Tarantino making a point about the decadence and depravity of a society that considers it an intelligent film.

But I think he's just an overgrown child.

 

[BatLobster]

I think Nolan should get a best director nom, if only for the fact that he brought a gargantuan level of scale to the movie and continues to top himself in that regard. More than anything though, just like Inception and TDK, TDKR is a huge love letter to cinema. It just puts a huge level of trust in power of the medium at its base levels: picture, sound and editing. It has to use every cinematic tool at its disposal to tell such a large story, and because so much of that story is left off screen it engages the viewer to partake in imagining that world along with the filmmakers. But it's the performances that really make it all come together and keep the thing emotionally engaging. So many performance moments in the film that enhance what is on the page and elevate it, all of which serve the story. Particularly Bale, Hathaway and Caine. Then you have the delicious ferocity of Tom Hardy's performance. It's just an abundance of good acting and it all stems back to good directing and by extension good casting. I don't think there's a better ensemble this year, just on paper.

Bottom line is he just doesn't make the types of films that the Academy gravitates to. I just think TDKR had more of a positive, uplifting message at the end than any of his other films, so if he was going to get a nom for any of his films this seems like the one...so far anyway.