Why not? Avengers will never outgross those films, and both those movies had greater critical acclaim. Unless of course, you admit to using broken logic.
What broken logic? You said Avengers didn't have great writing and characterisation, the vast majority, disagree.
This is not about general themes and ideas in movies. This is about a single scene that had been done in many other movies countless number of times before. And that joke isn't funny anymore.
The good guy saving the bad guy has been done in many other movies countless times before. What's your point? That movies have cliches? Bravo.
Again, it's about execution.
No, it's not a deep and contemplative scene. Which goes to show your half-paragraph explanation of the deeper meaning behind that scene was utter nonsense. It is what it is - a tongue-in-cheek moment designed to make the audience laugh. It would've been really good had it been some lesser minion rather than the film's main villain at the receiving end.
In a silly joke. Yes, that's how seriously show the collapse of a villain's hubris and arrogance. By smacking him around like a 3-year baby boy would treat a Barbie doll and have said villain give out a fain whine and utterly stupid expression.
No, the layers are there, but it gets such a visceral reaction because it is genuinely funny. Doesn't mean the other layers and subtexts don't exist.
And do you understand the Loki character? He is a man child. A spoilt man child. Underneath all that hubris and arrogance he is a fragile child who is bitter at being overshadowed by his brother. That is who Loki is. Really, what happened to him there was in character. There are scenes in the comics where when he is ultimately defeated, he is a little *****.
And how was the fact that it was going to do down at Stark Tower
not a reflection on Tony himself? I mean, he made it clear only in so many words that it was his ego run amok. "Give yourself 12% credit". "Delusional, self-obsessive". Nope, all that stuff he said about Loki being a diva was
never directly reference at Stark himself in the film.
"Subtle" indeed. Good Lord.
It was subtle in that it wasn't directly spoon fed. Stark didn't come out and say "Oh, Loki is just like me, so he'll be at Stark Tower!"
Also what else was subtle is when he was talking to Loki, mentioning the other Avengers, he doesn't even mention himself. Here he has realised that no, it isn't about him, he's not THE man. Him not mentioning himself represents that without some spoon feeding dialogue from him like what would happen in a Nolan film.
No, being serious alone doesn't make it inherently better. But if that scene actually had half as much substance as you claim it did, then the only way to show something like that and let the audience even remotely understand the true purpose of that scene would be to show it in a serious way.
No it's not, don't be silly. So you are suggesting that because the scene is played for laughs, there is no other layers there? Is that what you are suggesting? Because if so, i think you're incorrect.
And I like I said, it is more than enough that I am having this conversation with you. I don't need to prove anything to you, so get that through your head before you think you are in any position to demand anything from me. You want explanations for what made Bruce Wayne such an interesting character in TDK? Go check my posts and those of other users in the TDK forum.
I'm not demanding anything, i'm not asking you to prove anything. I'm asking for your opinion, that's it. That's the key word, OPINION. You might think Bruce is interesting, but that's what you think. And so far, you haven't actually expressed why you think he is interesting in TDK.
All you are basically doing is "i'm right, you're wrong". Well played. Bravo. Your arrogance is astounding. Your are the very definition of what gives the Bat boards a bad rep, you know that don't you?
