Sci-Fi Terminator 1, 2, & 3: Review and Discussion Thread

[Adrian89]

Terminator 3 is an underrated movie. No, not as good as the first two, but still good.

I agree, it's not that bad as ppl say.

I mean what the fk did they expected from Mostow? To top Cameron's movies? lol! Still, just because it didn't, doesn't mean it sucked.

As for me, I think T2 (everything is great in this movie and everything was so well handled!) it's simply the best! By miles. T1 is good aswell, T3 was just ok.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Terminator - 8.5/10

Terminator 2: Judgment Day 9.5/10

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines 7/10

I'll post my reviews later.

 

[Catman]

Question: Do you guys think that Terminator exists in multiple universes or one that constantly alters itself.

I ask because this became a BIG debate over at IMDb. In T1, when Kyle Reese goes back in time he ends up becoming John Connors father. Plus, by the Terminator going back in time as well he leaves behind the material that is used to create Skynet.

So, is there an alternate universe where things ended up differently but the same. Or was this always meant to be the scenario?

 

[Sam Fisher]

I'd say the tv show and T3 are two seperate timelines.

 

[Doctor Jones]

T2 is the best, I haven't seen T1 in years. T3 is OKAY. Not terrible. It's just the lack of night time scenes that bother me.

 

[Swordmaster]

The main thing that bugs me about T3 is the way Arnie plays the T-850/the way said Terminator was written. At times, he comes across as too human ("RELAX!" comes to mind). And the less said about "Talk to the hand", the better.

 

[Catman]

he comes across as too human

Yea, he was just playing himself. And I like how each time they re-program the Terminator he looks older.

 

[EdRyder]

The thing that bothers me the most about T3(besides the bad script itself) Is the way it was lensed. It looked like a made for TV movie. Too many tight closeups not enough wide lensed open shots.
Not like every shot in T2 is a sprawling epic shot ,but at least Cameron busted out the Super 35. Makes even the tighter shots seem like a big movie

 

[Rishi]

Not to mention how much of it was filmed during the day... there's zero atmosphere to the movie. Look at the graveyard scene. It's not eerie, its like they're running around in a garden or something.

Question: Do you guys think that Terminator exists in multiple universes or one that constantly alters itself.

I ask because this became a BIG debate over at IMDb. In T1, when Kyle Reese goes back in time he ends up becoming John Connors father. Plus, by the Terminator going back in time as well he leaves behind the material that is used to create Skynet.

So, is there an alternate universe where things ended up differently but the same. Or was this always meant to be the scenario?

I'm definitely a fan of the parallell universes theory. There had to have been a time when Connor was born with a different father.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I'm definitely a fan of the parallell universes theory. There had to have been a time when Connor was born with a different father.

The theory that John originally had a different father has never made any sense to me. How is it possible for a woman to conceive the same child with two different father's? It's biologically impossible.

I love this debate...

 

[Rishi]

The theory that John originally had a different father has never made any sense to me. How is it possible for a woman to conceive the same child with two different father's? It's biologically impossible.

I love this debate...

Who says he was the same child? He just grew to the same position in the resistance.

 

[bullets]

Watching the first one right now

T2 9.5/10
T1 9.25/10
T3 8/10

First two are awesome and the third one is entertaining fluff.

That was definately not a fluff ending and it's the only saving grace of that movie.

T2 is one of the best blockbusters of all time , watched it a million times.
T1 I saw this afterword and it's a good story . On it's own it seems more like a horror movie.
T3 It's definately missing something and Nick Stahl replacing Furlong was a dissapointment. The ending was the only saving grace because it meant we'd get what we are about to see now in Terminator Salvation.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Who says he was the same child? He just grew to the same position in the resistance.

It would had to have been the same person, which was the point of the previous films. Sarah and Kyle's son would end up saving humanity. If he died or was never even born, humanity would have died along with him.

 

[Rishi]

He didn't have to be.

If you like that interpretation, follow it. In my mind it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

He didn't have to be.

If you like that interpretation, follow it. In my mind it just doesn't make sense.

Could you clarify on what didn't make sense?

 

[Rishi]

It's a paradox.

John couldn't be born because he needs to send Reese back in time after he's already born, which happens after he sends back Reese.

Assuming there's a singular timeline and that Reese was always the father makes it an impossibility.

 

[Paradoxium]

There is no paradox.

If Reese dies, John Connor would still exist.

For Reese to get sent back in time in the first place, John must have a father. Reese displaced the father of John, or quite possibly Sarah was already preggers to begin with. The time line is simply relooping into different outputs, to of which the output affects the early time line inputs, until it reaches a stabilized output.

And I am not talking about parallel universes.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

There is no paradox.

If Reese dies, John Connor would still exist.

For Reese to get sent back in time in the first place, John must have a father. Reese displaced the father of John, or quite possibly Sarah was already preggers to begin with. The time line is simply relooping into different outputs until it reaches a stabilized output.

And I am not talking about parallel universes.

In the original film, Reese tell's Sarah that even in the "original timeline", she prepared and trained John since he was a kid and took him into hiding before Judgment Day. Why would Sarah train her son since he was a child and how could she have known about Judgment Day? She knew because Reese was always there to tell her.

Also, Reese said that he volunteered for the mission to go back and protect Sarah. Way before he was ever sent back, John gave Reese a picture of his mother. Kyle even said, he didn't know why John gave him the picture at the time. Why would John give one of his soldiers a picture of his mother before he voluntereed to go back, unless he always possessed the knowledge that Kyle was his father.

It's all there in the original flick. It's a paradox and Kyle has always been John's father. There is no beginning or end, it's just a series continuing events.

 

[Catman]

I just finished re-watching T2. It's amusing how John uses the Terminator as a form of therapy. All he does is talk to him about his problems. lol.

quite possibly Sarah was already preggers to begin with.

I doubt she was. After all the crazy things that happened she would have miscarried or something.

 

[bullets]

I just finished re-watching T2. It's amusing how John uses the Terminator as a form of therapy. All he does is talk to him about his problems. lol.
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The Terminator is the father he never had.

 

[Catman]

The Terminator is the father he never had.

Ironic, huh?

 

[Paradoxium]

In the original film, Reese tell's Sarah that even in the "original timeline", she prepared and trained John since he was a kid and took him into hiding before Judgment Day. Why would Sarah train her son since he was a child and how could she have known about Judgment Day? She knew because Reese was always there to tell her.

Also, Reese said that he volunteered for the mission to go back and protect Sarah. Way before he was ever sent back, John gave Reese a picture of his mother. Kyle even said, he didn't know why John gave him the picture at the time. Why would John give one of his soldiers a picture of his mother before he voluntereed to go back, unless he always possessed the knowledge that Kyle was his father.

It's all there in the original flick. It's a paradox and Kyle has always been John's father. There is no beginning or end, it's just a series continuing events.

You are missing the point.

The time has never been in a consistent flow:

Loop A affects Loop B which affected Loop C, until the Loop "stabilizes" at C as an infinite Loop.

The original time line Reese was never the father, and Connor had a different father. Skynet had an original launch date that had nothing to do with CyberDyne. This is how Terminator 3 can exist - the original launch date. This is Loop A.

In Loop B, a Terminator is sent back, and failed for whatever reasons; he might have killed Sarah for that matter but John Connor was already born. Hence why he was even alive to possibly send Reese, although it is not necessary.

In Loop C, upon knowing what happens in Loop B Connor probably wants to save his mother. So he sends back Reese.

Thus, within Loop C is the official infinite branch off. But it is nothing like the original history. Terminator 2 of course introduces more loops and complex relationships but it works.

 

[EdRyder]

You are missing the point.

The time has never been in a consistent flow:

Loop A affects Loop B which affected Loop C, until the Loop "stabilizes" at C as an infinite Loop.

The original time line Reese was never the father, and Connor had a different father. Skynet had an original launch date that had nothing to do with CyberDyne. This is how Terminator 3 can exist - the original launch date. This is Loop A.

In Loop B, a Terminator is sent back, and failed for whatever reasons; he might have killed Sarah for that matter but John Connor was already born. Hence why he was even alive to possibly send Reese, although it is not necessary.

In Loop C, upon knowing what happens in Loop B Connor probably wants to save his mother. So he sends back Reese.

Thus, within Loop C is the official infinite branch off. But it is nothing like the original history. Terminator 2 of course introduces more loops and complex relationships but it works.

I think thats totally incorrect. You're assuming Reese wasnt always the father based on what? If I'm to believe the events of T2 and T3 transpired all according to how it always was, then how could the Terminatrix be the one who uploads the Skynet Virus? If its possible for her to be the "mother" of Skynet while also being the progeny of Skynet why doesn't the same Chicken and Egg scenario apply to Conner and Reese?

 

[Paradoxium]

Based on deductive logic.

http://www.mjyoung.net/time/terminat.html read this page and how it reconciles all the 3 films.

 

[EdRyder]

Based on deductive logic.

http://www.mjyoung.net/time/terminat.html read this page and how it reconciles all the 3 films.

Deductive Logic? Sounds like a lot of assumption to me. This essay would assume that John Conner was not only born in this original timeline with a different father.But that he somehow survived the nuclear attack and became leader of the resistance, having never been trained in military/guerrilla tactics.And having no knowledge of the Terminators or Skynet.

One thing is certain: when the war came, Sarah Conner's child was a thorn in the flesh of Skynet.

Thats a Major assumption.

It also doesn't take into account the events of T3, in which as I said: The Terminatrix uploads the virus that creates Skynet.If its possible for her to be the "Parent" of her own product.How is it not possible For Reese to have always been the Father of John?