Terminator Salvation: Box Office Prediction/Discussion

[Alonsovich]

the guy from my avatar made 200 millions domestic

Pity that it cost almost the same plus 100 million marketing costs... and they only took 50% of those 200 million gross...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/31/business/media/31dvd.html?pagewanted=print&position=

Now the real question is... do you really think that studios lose money on franchise movies of any kind?

This will come out on DVD... make money... then the DC... make more money... then it'll be included in some whatever "Terminator Anthology box set" crap... and make more money... like a goddamn snowball...

 

[dark_b]

Pity that it cost almost the same plus 100 million marketing costs... and they only took 50% of those 200 million gross...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/31/business/media/31dvd.html?pagewanted=print&position=

Now the real question is... do you really think that studios lose money on franchise movies of any kind?

This will come out on DVD... make money... then the DC... make more money... then it'll be included in some whatever "Terminator Anthology box set" crap... and make more money... like a goddamn snowball...

maybe you are right.

but i think if people who know what they are talking about are saying that it is a flop that then it is a flop.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Pity that it cost almost the same plus 100 million marketing costs... and they only took 50% of those 200 million gross...

Studios don't lump marketing into the actual production budget that makes a film.

 

[Alonsovich]

Studios don't lump marketing into the actual production budget that makes a film.

I know... I'm just using it to prove the point that domestic BO revenues are mostly NEVER enough to make a profit in these franchise films...

They made around 100 million domestic profit and still poured almost 300 million between making BB and marketing it... and yet there's a sequel... which means the domestic BO profit only brought 1/3 of the necessary to break even...

 

[dark_b]

I know... I'm just using it to prove the point that BO revenues are mostly NEVER enough to make a profit in these franchise films...

yes word of mouth also plays a big deal. batman begins had good word of mouth right? TS doesnt IMO.

 

[Alonsovich]

yes word of mouth also plays a big deal. batman begins had good word of mouth right? TS doesnt IMO.

Not in the US... everywhere else it's a hit... TS is hugely popular here overseas... there wasn't a single bad review here in the german press... neither in the press of my home country, Spain... and European critics tend to be HIGHLY critical of US blockbuster films...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

My point is if the studio who actually spent the $$$ to make a film doesn't lump the marketing budget into the production budget, then why should people who didn't?

 

[dark_b]

interesting.

 

[Alonsovich]

My point is if the studio who actually spent the $$$ to make a film doesn't lump the marketing budget into the production budget, then why should people who didn't?

It still falls 80 - 100 million short without the marketing costs... which accounts to the domestic BO still bringing only half of the budget back or less...

 

[Eric Brooks]

interesting.

indeed

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

It still falls 80 million short without the marketing costs...

I didn't say it didn't?

You're trying to base an argument about "Well the marketing budget was _______ and the cost to actually make the film was ________ so they ultimately spent _______ and have to make _______ to make a profit" when the studio(s) never lump those together. It's always been considered a separate category.

 

[Alonsovich]

I didn't say it didn't?

You're trying to base an argument about "Well the marketing budget was _______ and the cost to actually make the film was ________ so they ultimately spent _______ and have to make _______ to make a profit" when the studio(s) never lump those together. It's always been considered a separate category.

My argument overall was that the BO revenues are not enough and that they rely on DVD and marketing products to make benefits in these type of pictures... that's the reason for the Roven article... and yes.. they don't lump it in the budget... but that money still has to come back from somewhere. I don't think they pour 100 extra million on something and don't count it...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Studios also rely from merchandising and television-rights as well as home video sales to earn a profit on their tentpoles.

 

[Alonsovich]

Studios also rely from merchandising and television-rights as well as home video sales to earn a profit on their tentpoles.

Again... I know that... that's exactly my point...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

My argument overall was that the BO revenues are not enough and that they rely on DVD and marketing products to make benefits in these type of pictures... that's the reason for the Roven article... and yes.. they don't lump it in the budget... but that money still has to come back from somewhere. I don't think they pour 100 extra million on something and don't count it...

Again, separate categories?

 

[Alonsovich]

Again, separate categories?

I didn't say they aren't... I just said that those 100 million have to be made back...

I don't think corporations would give such an amount of money and not expect to get it back...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Forget it. You're clearly not listening. I'm sorry I wasted my time. No offense, of course.

Moving along...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Essentially this will have to make more WW than T3 did to even have the possibility to get a sequel, unless it had has super-duper legs in the US, which I cant see happening.

But, I hope we do get a T5, but with no time-travelling back, keep it in the future from now on, and possibly get a director who can do both drama and action.

 

[Eric Brooks]

wait, what was McG's plans for the sequel?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

wait, what was McG's plans for the sequel?

John Connor going back to 2011 because Skynet sent HK's and Terminators back to that time, not liking the sound of that to be honest.

 

[Alonsovich]

Forget it. You're clearly not listening. I'm sorry I wasted my time.

Moving along...

You're not understanding my point either. You didn't understand it for several posts. I understand that is NOT in the budget... and I understand that they make their profit from various sources... what you didn't understand is... those 100 million marketing costs... although not in the budget... STILL have to be made back in some form. NO corporation gives out 100 million for I DON'T GIVE A S**T WHAT and don't expect to make it back... because they answer to stock holders and such...and stock holders don't usually like 100 million bucks holes in their companies' accounts...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There are still people on here who believe a sequel is coming?

Sigh.

Star Trek is actually above the movie again.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

Sorry hopeful people but this movie is a bit of a disaster...it aint getting a sequel.

I won't say another Terminator movie will never be made but this flick aint getting a sequel.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. If another Terminator film is made, it will be several years down the line, and with an entirely new crew. I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of them remaking The Terminator, which I wouldn't support, but I can see it happening. The BO doesn't justify a direct sequel.

 

[Eric Brooks]

John Connor going back to 2011 because Skynet sent HK's and Terminators back to that time, not liking the sound of that to be honest.

how can skynet send HK's through time? Only living tissue can pass through the time traveling device

has this guy honestly ever seen T1 or T2?

 

[Rishi]

This movie will get a sequel. Maybe not soon, but it will.

The ip is independently owned. If they don't wanna do something with it, they can sell it off and get a payday. Hollywoods rebooting and remaking everything, a franchise like Terminator is too hot to pass up.