Terminator Salvation: Box Office Prediction/Discussion

[EnzoValenzetti]

Yeah, nevermind, I took the 4 day weekend numbers for some reason. Still, it only made $5.3M yesterday, so it might not even get to $20M.

 

[Eric Brooks]

i love how people say McG should do action movies. what the hell is the termiantor franchise? drama? romantic comedy? HAHAHAHAHAH

just because there are emotions and a some drama does not elevate it to anything more than an amazing action movie. people need to recognize what the terminator franchise really is.

Truth

 

[Heretic]

Next thing you know Brett Ratner will be lamenting that he didnt have a crack at a superhero franchise like X-Men.

 

[Frodo]

i love how people say McG should do action movies. what the hell is the termiantor franchise? drama? romantic comedy? HAHAHAHAHAH

just because there are emotions and a some drama does not elevate it to anything more than an amazing action movie. people need to recognize what the terminator franchise really is.

Well to be fair, the francise has always been about more then just action. There was story and characterization. That's what sets it apart and made it iconic at least for the first two. I think the point is that if you want to hold an audience , who's seen every kind of stunt or cgi possible ,you need to have a good story along with it . It's not enough just to be a good action flick in terms of stunts and explosions. The director is crucial to be sure but if any director doesn't have a decent story it won't make much of a difference.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The movie is not making 20mil off of a 5mil friday, not even close. It should drop 60% if these early numbers are to be believed.

It's dead in the water folks.

 

[Excel]

i'm sorry, i can't agree with this at all. these "fanboys" need to grow up and realize that they don't mean jack to these movies.

was there a demand for an 11th star trek film? hell no. but the movie was awesome. previous many films were flops because it's not enough to gear to die-hard fans or relying only on. this one worked because it was geared towards the GA. transformers and TDK were not helped by "diehard" fans. it was successful because they were good films, with a good story. the Watchmen has a diehard following, didn't help did it.

these die-hard fans make up probably make up less than 1% of total gross, if that. and no, they have very little control over buzz. watchmen was one of the best adapted films of comic ever. he literally used the panels in place of storyboards.

Your guys overesimate qualitys ability to build hype so much its ridiculous.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well mojo has it's numbers up and unsurprisingly Salvation is off nearly 66% from last friday.http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=terminatorsalvation.htm

It should do 15 to 17mil over the weekend, I'm thinking 16.6mil. A 61% drop. It's totally not reaching T3 now.

 

[M.O.Steel]

Your guys overesimate qualitys ability to build hype so much its ridiculous.

again, quality is a subjective term. TF fans did not like the movie and said it was horrible and such, but the GA thought it was a quality film.

its' not ridiculous. great movie may be unsuccessful, and crap movie might make money, but thinking a dedicated fanbase predicts the life or death of a film is ridiculous.

 

[M.O.Steel]

Well to be fair, the francise has always been about more then just action. There was story and characterization. That's what sets it apart and made it iconic at least for the first two. I think the point is that if you want to hold an audience , who's seen every kind of stunt or cgi possible ,you need to have a good story along with it . It's not enough just to be a good action flick in terms of stunts and explosions. The director is crucial to be sure but if any director doesn't have a decent story it won't make much of a difference.

yea. it's an amazing action movie. but at the end of the day, it's still an action movie, not gone with the wind or the godfather.

people liked TF because it was relatable. if it was robot heavy as many fans wanted, they it would have been a full blown action movie. and it wasn't. there was a really good sotry there too that people dont' give bay credit for. society likes to pigeonhole everyone.

 

[Mikelus]

again, quality is a subjective term. TF fans did not like the movie and said it was horrible and such, but the GA thought it was a quality film.

its' not ridiculous. great movie may be unsuccessful, and crap movie might make money, but thinking a dedicated fanbase predicts the life or death of a film is ridiculous.

Is true, Spider-Man 3 is hated by most fans but it was a huge box office success: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm

 

[The Dark Defender]

again, quality is a subjective term. TF fans did not like the movie and said it was horrible and such, but the GA thought it was a quality film.

its' not ridiculous. great movie may be unsuccessful, and crap movie might make money, but thinking a dedicated fanbase predicts the life or death of a film is ridiculous.

Very true, I've had this argument over quite a few films, Transformers being a prime example.
People have a habit of equating popular opinion to "quality," not the case at all. The General public can give a film an overwhelmingly positive reaction, yet me and many others can offer a plethora of objective filmmaking criticims that explain why it isn't only not a good film, but an outright incompetent one.
The term "quality" depends on who you're talking to, it's not defined by popularity.
Same applies to saying "*insert movie here* isn't doing well because it's crap film*" May be the popular opinion, but that doesn't necessarily show "quality."
I've seen plenty of popular bad movies and plenty of unpopular good movies.

 

[craigdbfan]

again, quality is a subjective term. TF fans did not like the movie and said it was horrible and such, but the GA thought it was a quality film.

its' not ridiculous. great movie may be unsuccessful, and crap movie might make money, but thinking a dedicated fanbase predicts the life or death of a film is ridiculous.

Not exactly

Fans of the G1 series and only the cartoon had issues with the movie. The toy collectors actually have a great deal of love for the movie and the Bay bots for the most part.

Strange how the toy collectors don't seem to have much of a problem with the LA Transformers in comparison to those that just watched the '84 series and so on.

 

[DarkKnight88]

but thinking a dedicated fanbase predicts the life or death of a film is ridiculous.

QTF

Sometimes it's a very good idea for the filmmakers NOT to listen to the fanbase. I think the trust should just lie in the filmmakers in trying to please themselves and not a hundred ideas from everywhere. Remember Daniel Craig as Bond? The fanbase was wrong in doubting him. Star Trek? Fanbase was wrong. Heath Ledger as Joker? Fanbase was wrong.

 

[The Shape]

Well mojo has it's numbers up and unsurprisingly Salvation is off nearly 66% from last friday.http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=terminatorsalvation.htm

It should do 15 to 17mil over the weekend, I'm thinking 16.6mil. A 61% drop. It's totally not reaching T3 now.

You seem pleased. Congrats?

 

[Frodo]

yea. it's an amazing action movie. but at the end of the day, it's still an action movie, not gone with the wind or the godfather.

people liked TF because it was relatable. if it was robot heavy as many fans wanted, they it would have been a full blown action movie. and it wasn't. there was a really good sotry there too that people dont' give bay credit for. society likes to pigeonhole everyone.

Well, i'd say Terminator was just a good action film . That's like saying the TDK was just a good comic book film. It was a good action film but it also had a good story . Neither film is Gone With the Wind or Godfather but then again those films are apples and oranges and I wouldn't compare Godfather to Gone with the Wind let alone Terminator to the LA Confidential . A good story comes in many different forms and can be a comedy, drama, or action film.

The point I was trying to make is there is a higher expectation more going into a Terminator film because of it's reputation for a good story. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not , but I think that's how it is for this francise. Transformers never had that bar to jump before it was released.

 

[M.O.Steel]

Well, i'd say Terminator was just a good action film . That's like saying the TDK was just a good comic book film. It was a good action film but it also had a good story . Neither film is Gone With the Wind or Godfather but then again those films are apples and oranges and I wouldn't compare Godfather to Gone with the Wind let alone Terminator to the LA Confidential . A good story comes in many different forms and can be a comedy, drama, or action film.

The point I was trying to make is there is a higher expectation more going into a Terminator film because of it's reputation for a good story. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not , but I think that's how it is for this francise. Transformers never had that bar to jump before it was released.

don't get me wrong, i think terminator is more than just an action flick (in my top 10 of ALL time). i just think it's ignorant of people to say the McG is "just" an action director and should stick to "action films" like transformers. i think it is completely fair of you to ask for more than non-stop mindless action. and i think it's unfair to say that McG can only do action. just watch we are marshalls.

so my point wasn't really lowering the terminator franchise, it was to give McG some credit.

 

[Kanon]

****, if the drop is the same for the whole weekend as it is for friday, this won't be reaching $ 100 mill this weekend

I guess it was a miracle before friday's numbers, but still...

 

[Dark Helmet]

I think the WB hoped Christian Bale would draw in people & focued on having him in the movie then make a good movie

 

[Rishi]

Is true, Spider-Man 3 is hated by most fans but it was a huge box office success: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm

People can only know if they like a movie or not after they see it... all box office represents is interest in a film.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

QTF

Sometimes it's a very good idea for the filmmakers NOT to listen to the fanbase. I think the trust should just lie in the filmmakers in trying to please themselves and not a hundred ideas from everywhere. Remember Daniel Craig as Bond? The fanbase was wrong in doubting him. Star Trek? Fanbase was wrong. Heath Ledger as Joker? Fanbase was wrong.

Fanbase was right. QoS is boring.

 

[The Chris]

Fanbase was right. QoS is boring.

Almost everyone agreed he was still really good in that, so the fanbase was wrong. Let's not ignore Casino Royale just because the one after disappointed some either.

 

[M.O.Steel]

Fanbase was right. QoS is boring.

boring? i thought it was the opposite. non-stop action with no story. i definitely was never bored during that movie.

true it's no where near casino royale, but craig was still awesome as bond, people can't deny that.

 

[DACrowe]

I will say that critics have proof yet again that their opinions matter. They praise dead franchise for geeks Star Trek to the end of the year and it sells well in the first weekend, they universally pan TS (overreaction?) and people stay away.

 

[Corpus Luteum]

3. The reason why Terminator: Salvation is doing badly is because the interest in that franchise from the general public is more or less gone.

No, the real reason was because it had no story. It had no character to root for. You didn't give a crap about who died and lived because there was no emotional investment to any of the characters.

It was not funny. It was not scary. It was not surprising. It was unoriginal, uninspired, vapid piece of film-making.

 

[bullets]

so says you.