Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

[iamlegend]

Then I must say, he failed in annoying me. Probably because he was'nt as much of an egomaniac as Dr. Doom, which is a good thing and a relief imo.

Yeah, Doom can get pretty bad. Some of the writers went way over the top with his ego thing... We know he's nuts, but the guy's brilliant too. You'd think one writer could find a good balance...

 

[The Englishman]

awesome....now got any scans of what happens once the x-men show up?

Yes has anyone got these scans??

 

[El Bastardo]

Wasn't that one of the points of Gambit doing it? To annoy his opponents, and maybe make them slip up?

Regardless, I'm just happy he didn't say "Damn it" ten times throughout the book... and with Brubaker that's never out of the question.

Yes, because characters written by Brubaker have a long history of saying "Damn it" ten times throughout any given issue, on a most constant basis that we should make it termed a "Brubakerism."

 

[TromaFreak64]

dammit

But yeah the accent thing, reading them, sometimes gets to me. It always forcing me to take additional time to read every line - when I could just as easily imagine the accent having read the character over and over - and seen the TAS (which seem to be on with the way Clearmont wrote his dialouge and the third person nonsense.. and like someone said a lot of the older cajun generation still do talk in third person like that less so with the younger now)... it gets to me, but I'll survive

 

[TromaFreak64]

Well we already know that Cable gets the baby back because of the Cable 1 cover. Not many secrets left to be revealed...

Aren't we on the who lives, who dies front down to Mystique and Bishop?

 

[Manic]

Aren't we on the who lives, who dies front down to Mystique and Bishop?

*crosses fingers*

Mystique Mystique Mystique Mystique...

 

[iamlegend]

Yes, because characters written by Brubaker have a long history of saying "Damn it" ten times throughout any given issue, on a most constant basis that we should make it termed a "Brubakerism."

Oh come on now, it was just a joke...

As a whole I didn't mind Brubaker's Gambit dialogue... There've been better, there've been worse.

 

[spiderfan85]

*crosses fingers*

Mystique Mystique Mystique Mystique...

Spoiler

Mystique is alive and is being chased by Wolverine in his series after Complex. The arc is known as "Get Mystique"

 

[DoomRulz]

Ok, so Bishop is a lying bastard. I'm getting sick of these time-traveling dependent stories. Who cares what happens in the future?!?! We're never gonna get there in the main story, just focus on the present for crying out loud.

 

[Canemacar]

Spoiler

Mystique is alive and is being chased by Wolverine in his series after Complex. The arc is known as "Get Mystique"

Checklist time!

People who we know don't die:

Mystique-She's in Wolverine's book afterwards.
Cyclops-Duh.
Storm-Duh.
Cable-Has a new series.
Wolverine-Duh.
Xavier-Legacy is about him.
Bishop-In Cable's book.
X23-She's Kyle and Yost's pet character.
Sinister-There's been nothing to prove he lives, but I find it very unlikely they'd kill their one remaining credible villain after hyping him so much. Let's face it: Apoc is no longer the biggest bad guy after Magneto.
Rogue-I'm not that lucky and she's in Legacy.

That leaves:

Beast
Madrox

 

[El Bastardo]

Ok, so Bishop is a lying bastard. I'm getting sick of these time-traveling dependent stories. Who cares what happens in the future?!?! We're never gonna get there in the main story, just focus on the present for crying out loud.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Messiah Complex, aside from the Layla-MadroxClone side story that has taken up a handful of pages, has been set in the present.

That might just be me being confused, though.

 

[El Bastardo]

That leaves:

Beast
Madrox

Madrox is in X-Factor after MC is over.

Beast has been so low-profile during the crossover that if they kill him it's going to be a really buhtarded and ho-hum thing.

Oh well. Can't win them all, I guess?

 

[DoomRulz]

I just thought of something...what if Deadpool were involved in this story somehow? Like, hunting down Cable or something?

 

[El Bastardo]

Oh come on now, it was just a joke...

As a whole I didn't mind Brubaker's Gambit dialogue... There've been better, there've been worse.

Fair enough.

And to be fair, there's so much idiocy thrown around these boards nowadays that it's hard to figure out some jokes.

And to be more fair, most of you can never figure out when I'm being sarcastic or blatantly facetious, so.

 

[Canemacar]

Madrox is in X-Factor after MC is over.

Beast has been so low-profile during the crossover that if they kill him it's going to be a really buhtarded and ho-hum thing.

Oh well. Can't win them all, I guess?

1: Beast has had plenty of setup for something major happening to him during Endangered Species.

2: Let's so you come up with something.

 

[DoomRulz]

I'm pretty sure the majority of Messiah Complex, aside from the Layla-MadroxClone side story that has taken up a handful of pages, has been set in the present.

That might just be me being confused, though.

You're right. But what I mean is, Cable is saving the baby for his future, Bishop is killing the baby for his future. The ultimate outcome here is dependent on what is supposed to happen for either character it seems.

 

[Specter313]

You're right. But what I mean is, Cable is saving the baby for his future, Bishop is killing the baby for his future. The ultimate outcome here is dependent on what is supposed to happen for either character it seems.

Well, Cable isn't really doing it for HIS future, just the future of mutants in general.

 

[El Bastardo]

1: Beast has had plenty of setup for something major happening to him during Endangered Species.

2: Let's so you come up with something.

Let's see me come up with what? You had eliminated it to those two, I pointed out that it won't be Madrox (or shouldn't be unless, again, it's his clone), which leaves Beast. I didn't bash any eliminations you'd done. Settle down, dear.

Beast has done things in Endangered Species, yes. Endangered Species is not Messiah Complex. It might have helped set up Messiah Complex, but it is not Messiah Complex. And if I'm remembering right, the writers themselves have said Endangered Species need not be read for readers to understand the full ordeal of Messiah Complex. Nor was Endangered Species a crossover - it was a back-up story published for no extra cost in the backs of the X-Men titles.

Thus, my statement: Beast has been so low-profile in the crossover that his death will be utterly ho-hum. Seriously. What has he done? He patched up Hellion. And had some conversations. Oh, earth shattering indeed.

 

[Specter313]

And before anyone does a freakout post about it, please know that the supposed Young X-Men creative team and character sketches going around is nothing but a fake.

 

[OutcryX]

Checklist time!

People who we know don't die:

Mystique-She's in Wolverine's book afterwards.
Cyclops-Duh.
Storm-Duh.
Cable-Has a new series.
Wolverine-Duh.
Xavier-Legacy is about him.
Bishop-In Cable's book.
X23-She's Kyle and Yost's pet character.
Sinister-There's been nothing to prove he lives, but I find it very unlikely they'd kill their one remaining credible villain after hyping him so much. Let's face it: Apoc is no longer the biggest bad guy after Magneto.
Rogue-I'm not that lucky and she's in Legacy.

That leaves:

Beast
Madrox

Wha-Bu-What? When and Where has this been confirmed? Bishop isn't on the Death List anymore? They are just turning him into something of a traitorous rogue now? Hunting down Cable and Baby-Doom-bringer across the corners of the globe? wait...that actually sounds all kinds of badass

 

[El Bastardo]

You're right. But what I mean is, Cable is saving the baby for his future, Bishop is killing the baby for his future. The ultimate outcome here is dependent on what is supposed to happen for either character it seems.

No, that's un-evidenced speculation on your part.

It isn't for their own futures. They're both out of their own futures, and since timelines are splintered along the lines of Back to the Future (for an easy parallel) anyway, at least I'm pretty sure, their futures and births are forever safe.

It's for the future of mutantkind. Whatever information Cable is operating off of, he believes the survival of the baby means the future of mutantkind.

Whatever information Bishop is operating off of, he believes the death of the baby means the future of mutantkind.

Until it's evidenced that the baby means something to their respective futures, and not just the future of the mutant race (which is to say, future of life, not future of time), it's just the future of mutantkind.

 

[DoomRulz]

No, that's un-evidenced speculation on your part.

It isn't for their own futures. They're both out of their own futures, and since timelines are splintered along the lines of Back to the Future (for an easy parallel) anyway, at least I'm pretty sure, their futures and births are forever safe.

It's for the future of mutantkind. Whatever information Cable is operating off of, he believes the survival of the baby means the future of mutantkind.

Whatever information Bishop is operating off of, he believes the death of the baby means the future of mutantkind.

Until it's evidenced that the baby means something to their respective futures, and not just the future of the mutant race (which is to say, future of life, not future of time), it's just the future of mutantkind.

Ok, that's fair. I can accept that. I'm just saying though, at least where Cable is concerned, why doesn't he go directly to the X-Men?

 

[OutcryX]

Ok, that's fair. I can accept that. I'm just saying though, at least where Cable is concerned, why doesn't he go directly to the X-Men?

Probably because for the time being, Bishop runs with the X-men and giving them the baby would be delivering it to its own death at the hands of Bishop the baby killer

 

[Specter313]

Ok, that's fair. I can accept that. I'm just saying though, at least where Cable is concerned, why doesn't he go directly to the X-Men?

Like others have said before, it's probably because of something he knows that we don't.

 

[El Bastardo]

Ok, that's fair. I can accept that. I'm just saying though, at least where Cable is concerned, why doesn't he go directly to the X-Men?

Because I don't think Cable ever has?

Cable has always been the proverbial lone wolf. The few times he's worked with the X-Men, as I remember, were to steal the New Mutants and turn them into the original X-Force, and later to homage Cyclops and chase down Apocalypse. Or Cyclopapocalypse or Smacksomelips or whatever the frick they called him.

He made Providence and the X-Men stepped up to take him down when Nick Fury came calling. It was all part of his plan, sure, but it's not the point.

And he only joined up with Rogue because he was interested in what was going on. And he made it very clear to Cyclops, the de-facto leader of the X-Men, that he wasn't one of his guys and wasn't going to follow his directions.

Cable's operating off of information even we readers don't know yet. He trusts himself more than he trusts the other X-Men, and he's only going to Xavier himself (who he has trusted on occasion in the past) as a last ditch effort.