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X-MEN: MANIFEST DESTINY #1 (of 4)
Written by MIKE CAREY, C.B. CEBULSKI and SKOTTIE YOUNG
Pencils by MICHAEL RYAN & VARIOUS
Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
Witness the biggest shake-up in X-Men history. With the mansion in Westchester destroyed, the X-Men are moving to San Francisco. But it’s not just a change in the zip code. Come see what the momentous change in status quo means to the X-Men. In every issue of MANIFEST DESTINY Mike Carey (X-MEN, ENDANGERED SPECIES) brings you an installment of a story featuring one the first X-Men"Iceman. Also in this first issue are stories by C.B. Cebulski (X-MEN:DIVIDED WE STAND, LONERS) and Skottie Young (X-MEN:DIVIDED WE STAND, NEW X-MEN).
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
 
Supposed to be something that's featured through all the X-books like Divided We Stand is doing right now.
 
Yesterday, at the Mondo Marvel panel at Wizard World Philidelphia—Marvel announced the next story arc involving the X-Men will be titled Manifest Destiny. Details are sketchy at the moment; but, similar to the Divided We Stand arc which crossed through the X-line, Manifest Destiny will cross through the core books, touching upon various mutant characters of the Marvel Universe in different ways. Further, Marvel will be releasing X-Men: Manifest Destiny, a four issue mini-series which boasts a hefty list of creators.

Newsarama contacted X-Editor Nick Lowe as well as Executive Editor Axel Alonso to discuss particulars in regard to Manifest Destiny.

Newsarama: The term Manifest Destiny beares a significant amount of weight in the history of the U.S. and the expansion of civilization to the Western shores of North America--how does this metaphor apply to the X-Men beyond the obvious move to San Francisco?

Axel Alonso: The X-Men’s move to San Francisco is more than just a change in scenery – it’s a change in strategy. It’s a large part of Cyclops' vision for what the X-Men should be – and one thing they should not be is sitting ducks in a hostile world. The X-Men’s new HQ, which we’ll unveil in July, is a fortress that offers the type of seclusion and security that they need at this juncture; their move offers a fresh start as they march forward with the faith—but not the knowledge—that there is a future. The Avengers can have New York, the X-Men have the Bay Area.

NRAMA: Is the Manifest Destiny storyline leading to a larger premise or will the titles be dispersing into their own singularity (somewhat) in the fall? Fans were seemingly pleased by the cross-over event of Messiah Complex--is the House of Ideas being mindful of reader sensibility in regards to being overwhelmed by large events and the lurching economy?

AA: What we're mindful of is making each book count. The one thing we don't want any X-title to be is redundant. Each book has its own mission statement, and its own vibe. And each book should contribute to the larger tapestry that is the X-Men universe.

NRAMA: Fair enough. Nick, who will be some of the key players featured in the X-Men: Manifest Destiny mini-series?

Nick Lowe: X-Men: Manifest Destiny will be structured somewhat like X-Men: Divided We Stand with one key difference—There will be one story that has chapters in each issue. That story centers around one of the first X-Men, Iceman. Other characters are Karma, Colossus, Mercury…

NRAMA: What information can you release in regards to creators involved with the mini-series?

NL: Mike Carey is writing the Iceman portions. There are many artists, but Humberto Ramos is going to do the covers.

NRAMA: Is Iceman a neglected character? Bobby Drake has always been this guy on the verge of breaking out of an ancillary role--then a regime change occurs and he falls back down a rung or two on the ladder of importance. Care to discuss?

NL: A lot of it has to do with his character. He’s never been the guy to stand up and take the reins. He’s the wiseacre. A lot of the reasons for him not taking center stage is that, I don’t think he wants it. Will that change? Well, he has been going through a lot in the last year.

NRAMA: Getting back to the idea of a mutant 'Manifest Destiny'--could there be a change in the way the X-Men represent themselves to the public? Are they going deeper undercover like the later years of Claremont's run or is this another declarative, "We're here, get used to it." kind of moment for the Children of the Atom?

NL: That’s something we’ve been pushing at in a big way. Cyclops is assertive and confident and he’s not going to let mutants go quietly into the night.

NRAMA: In your opinion are there other X-characters that you, as an editor, would like to see writer's tackle? Are there characters that writers seem to shy away from? And if so, why?

NL: Of course, I have my favorites. I’m a huge Cyclops fan and have a soft spot for Nightcrawler. But the ones I want to push into the spotlight are sometimes the smaller characters like Pixie, Pete Wisdom, Neznho, Dazzler, Strong Guy, Mercury…

NRAMA: What kind of threat will present itself in X-Men: Manifest Destiny?

NL: There are a ton of threats that are coming as part of Manifest Destiny. When they go to SF and state that this is their home, they know they have to be ready for anything. Some highlights? Magneto, The Hellfire Cult, Professor X… what? Professor X? Wait and see!

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=158744
 
New York City has long been the center of the Marvel Universe. For those average citizens who live in Marvel’s Big Apple, it’s superhero central. The city plays host to the Mighty Avengers, the Young Avengers, Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Daredevil, and the X-Men…or, at least, it was home to the X-Men.

Within the next few months, fans will notice a change in setting for Marvel’s Merry Mutants as they close up the X-Mansion in Westchester County and head to the city by the bay -- San Francisco. Why the change and what does it mean? Well, according to today’s announcement at Wizard World Philadelphia, it seems the X-Men are experiencing “Manifest Destiny” -- also the name of an upcoming miniseries and banner that will be running across the X-books come this fall.


X-Men readers know the characters have been in a state of limbo since Cyclops disbanded the team following the events of “Messiah CompleX.” With “Manifest Destiny,” it seems as though the band is back together, and possibly better than ever. CBR News caught up with Executive Editor and X-Men Group Editor Axel Alonso along with editor Nick Lowe to get the details on the team’s latest X-pedition.

</SPAN>Manifest Destiny is the banner the X-books will run under post-Divided We Stand. It seems the X-books have been running under one kind of banner or another since Decimation. Why the need for one more?

AXEL ALONSO: In July, the X-Men will, for the first time in their 40-years-plus history, uproot themselves from Westchester and move to a new home -- 3,000 miles away in San Francisco. This is a little piece of history that deserves a banner.
What is the significance of the name? How does it represent the latest stage in the X-Men's mythos? And can you give us any idea of how long this stage will last?

AA: This move is not just a change of scenery, but a change in strategy -- Cyclops’ vision for their future. Scott is sick and tired of the X-Men being sitting ducks in an ever-hostile world. I mean, how many times have their enemies come to their front doorstep? No more.

Their new home is a fortress that offers the type of seclusion and security that mutants need at this juncture. And this move offers the X-Men a fresh start as they march forward with the faith -- but not the knowledge -- that there is a future. They are now an army. Cyclops’ army.

Considering that "Messiah CompleX" dealt with prophecies and the Books of Destiny, do either of these factor into "Manifest Destiny?" Or is it something else completely?

AA: Something else completely.

Is there an inciting event that will kick off "Manifest Destiny?" Or does it begin somewhat organically from events that have already occurred?

AA: It occurs organically out of events that are in place, but it opens with a bang.

Will "Manifest Destiny" delve further into issues already plaguing the X-Men -- the extinction of their race, the Messiah baby, Legacy-- or will the X-Men have to deal with all-new issues now?

AA: Yes, at the end of “Messiah Complex,” Scott made a leap of faith, and allowed Cable to jump into the timestream with the first mutant baby, and possibly the fate of mutantkind -- strapped to his chest. This was a gut-level call that Scott made, based on his trust in Cable and a connection that he felt with the child. He’s been living with that decision ever since, and doubts are bound to creep in.

I mean, what is “faith?” It’s a belief in something when you have no facts of science to support it. If God parts the clouds and lets you get a good look at Him, your “faith” is now “knowledge,” isn’t it? You know he exists. Until that moment, you have to wrestle with the doubts that He -- or she -- might not exist. That’s what Scott is wrestling with. He’s the unquestioned leader of the X-Men -- as even Logan concedes. If Scott doesn’t believe there’s a future -- if he doesn’t believe that Cable will deliver this child to them at some point and she will stem the tide of mutant extinction -- who will?

From some of the interviews given, it sounds as though "Secret Invasion" will definitely have an impact on the X-Men. For those continuity buffs that are bound to ask, will “Manifest Destiny” take place post-"Secret Invasion," or will the two meet up somewhere in the middle?

AA: We have a limited series, “X-Men: Secret Invasion” that will adequately tie-in with the event. The Skrulls will arrive in San Francisco expecting a cake walk. I mean, all the superheroes are supposed to be on the East Coast, right? Wrong.

There will be a four-issue miniseries that kicks off “Manifest Destiny.” Can you tell us anything about the creative team and when fans might expect to see book in stores?

NICK LOWE: The first issue is going to be on sale in September. The covers are by Humberto Ramos. It’s similar to the “X-Men: Divided We Stand” two-issue series, with one key difference -- there will be one story that is continued in every issue. That will be an Iceman tale written by Mike Carey. The rest of the stories in the books will be by some of the current X-scribes, like Chris Yost, and some by others like CB Cebulski and Skottie Young.

Can you say anything about which characters are featured in the miniseries? Good guys and/or bad? Magneto was always a big believer in destiny….

NL: Like I said in the previous question, Iceman will be a major focal point in this mini, but some other characters we’re planning on looking at are Mercury, Karma, Colossus, and some other fan favorites.

As "Manifest Destiny" covers the X-Men's move to San Francisco -- what can you tell us about this move? Are all the characters excited about it? Will they be re-opening the school there, publicly or privately? If publicly, how does San Francisco feel about this move?

AA: This is no small thing, this move. Thee X-Men are leaving the only home they’ve known, and each will react differently. Some will be homesick, while others might have history there that will come back to bite them in the ass.

Does Tony Stark and/or the Initiative have any concerns with the X-Men moving? And what about Sentinel Squad O*N*E - have they given up trying to watch over the X-Men? Is this all covered under "Manifest Destiny?"

AA: Wait and see.

Should fans be bracing themselves for any other changes to the X-books in light of "Manifest Destiny?" For example, changes to the membership on teams, changes to the creative teams on books, or any other jolts to the X-world?

AA: We’ve already announced the roster for “Astonishing X-Men,” and it’s the team that Warren [Ellis] feels best serves that story -- the team Cyclops needs for that mission. As far as who the X-Men are, it’s all of them. They’re an army, and their General is Cyclops. So look for all of them to turn up at some time or another in the pages of “Uncanny X-Men.”

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=16614
 
liking the idea of an X-Army with a rotating casts of X-Men...kinda like X-Corp
 
AXEL ALONSO: In July, the X-Men will, for the first time in their 40-years-plus history, uproot themselves from Westchester and move to a new home -- 3,000 miles away in San Francisco. This is a little piece of history that deserves a banner.
What is the significance of the name? How does it represent the latest stage in the X-Men's mythos? And can you give us any idea of how long this stage will last?

AA: This move is not just a change of scenery, but a change in strategy -- Cyclops&#8217; vision for their future. Scott is sick and tired of the X-Men being sitting ducks in an ever-hostile world. I mean, how many times have their enemies come to their front doorstep? No more.

Their new home is a fortress that offers the type of seclusion and security that mutants need at this juncture. And this move offers the X-Men a fresh start as they march forward with the faith -- but not the knowledge -- that there is a future. They are now an army. Cyclops&#8217; army.

LOL, I've already read this story. It happened in X-Men 229 to 250, a.k.a Australian Outback X-Men.
 
so basically its just a temporary home. because the X-men always will call Xavier's home. still though. a rotating cast appeals to me
 
so is the new base a house or is underground or like a futuristic facility (like the subbasements)???
 
it all seems like a rehash. i mean they are clearly trying but the xmen have already covered sooo many different things. this already kind of happened. they moved to australia, they already were announced to the whole world, and theyve already had a rotating cast kind of deal.

oh well. im still really excited, maybe some of my favorite second rate charaters will get some show...lila cheney!
 
so is the new base a house or is underground or like a futuristic facility (like the subbasements)???

you'd have to buy astonishing x-men sketchbook issue to find out

i flipped through it, I'd guess it's out in the open. the feeling i got from it is that san francisco is so open minded, the X-men are welcomed to base on the hills safely
 
I don't I think this is biggie for the X-Men, With the way the realtionship has been with the Prof I think the Institute is good and shut now....as least for a long while.
 
Just saw the link of the HQ...."A SCHOOL!!!!" Looks like some students may be coming back?
 
I was going to pass on this because it looked like just a bunch of short stories. I found the Divided books to be kind of weak. Maybe this will be better. :)
 
Matt Fraction hosted, and was the sole (physical) panelist for Sunday’s “X-Men: Manifest Destiny” panel at Heroes Con in Charlotte. Fraction’s fellow Uncanny X-Men writer Ed Brubaker (sick with a cold) joined the panel via the magic of Fraction’s iPhone...which took a little while to set up, but paid dividends as the co-writers were able to field questions from the audience together

“Much like our X-Men run, this is half-assed and improvised,” Fraction joked of the set-up he “MacGyvered” together to hold his iPhone near the microphone.

After taking the time to set the phone system up, Fraction began the panel by hanging up with Brubaker and reading an e-mail from X-editor Nick Lowe on his phone which (was written in haiku form, he joked) covered some of the major elements coming in the X-Universe in the next six months.

Highlights from Lowe’s e-mail:

- The team’s relocation to San Francisco beginning with July’s issue #500 will be permanent.

- Lowe called Warren Ellis’ first two Astonishing X-Men scripts “absolutely incredible.”

- Gambit will be playing a role in X-Men: Legacy, while Mr. Sinister will be the “big bad” of the coming months. The title will also be where X-readers will be able to find Rogue.

- The mystery of why Archangel’s wings are metal will be revealed little by little in X-Force; and Mike Choi will step in as guest artist on issues #7-#10.

- In the Iceman story in the X-Men: Manifest Destiny specials, Bobby Drake will face off against a major villain, Lowe wrote – “A for-real, big deal villain.”

“It’s Galactus,” Fraction deadpanned, “Because you demanded it.”

Fraction then called Brubaker back, and after a quick comment to watch his language, because there was a seven year old boy dressed as Iron Fist in the front row, the two were off to the races, with Fraction opening the floor to questions.

Asked if they could name a character that’s definitely on the team, as the cover to issue #500 offers so many choices, Fraction responded with, “Wolverine,” and Brubaker countered with “Wolverine Eagle – he’s a new character.”

Fraction fired back that was part of their editorial plan – to add “Wolverine” in front of every character and create “Wolverine” versions of them to populate the X-Universe with – something which would lead to miniseries and specials and events. “Oh my god,” Fraction said, “We just made a million dollars right here on the phone.”

On the more serious side of the answer, Fraction said that one of the reasons he and Brubaker moved the team to San Francisco was the idea to have the whole extended mutant “family” relocate there, to have the city become a haven for mutants. That Fraction continued, will allow both he and Brubaker to use any number of their favorite characters in forthcoming stories. Giving an example, Fraction said that he is a huge fan of the Chris Claremont/Bill Sienkiewicz characters from New Mutants, and has already begun using them in stories, but other characters, such as Dazzler will be around. “Thje idea is to use the entire tapestry, not just These Five Guys,” Fraction said.

The California branch of the 50 State Initiative are dealt with a little bit in issues #499 and #500, Brubaker said, and there may be an Initiative/X-Men story when the Secret Invasion is over, but it’s not a top priority. Brubaker added that one of the reasons to move the X-men to San Francisco was that, if any city in the United States would tell The Initiative to leave it alone, it would be San Francisco.

That said, Fraction said that his character from San Francisco who was making a bid to have The Order headquartered in the city will make an appearance in issue #500.

Asked a joint question of a) will Mimic return, and b) will the writers use any of the mutants who may not be super-powered, Fraction tackled the latter, while telling Brubaker to Google up Mimic and see if he can come up with anything there.

For the latter question, Fraction said that he’s already planning on it, and will introduce an older Chinese man in issue #502 who was a mutant, but lost his powers on M-Day. Given that the X-Men’s headquarters will be more of a community center than a fortress/staging area/school as Xavier’s Mansion had become, the X-Men’s presence in the city will attract in mutants: powered, those only with abilities, and those who have lost their powers. Fraction said that he and Brubaker are anxious to look at the human scale of mutant powers.

Having been reading up, Brubaker came back on the line with a comment that things looked pretty promising for using Mimic in upcoming stories. He liked what he had found.

Archangel/Angel will mostly be appearing in X-Force for the next little while, Fraction said, given that the transformation into and plans for Archangel occur in that title.

Asked if they would be dealing with the Scarlet Witch in the series, Brubaker said that he would expect to see Allan Heinberg dealing with the Scarlet Witch in the future, noting that she is more of an Avengers character than an X-Men character these days.

Asking about female X-Men, an audience member asked if it could be possible that Emma Frost is consciously or unconsciously eliminating “the competition,” and that’s the explanation for the lousy fates that have befallen several female X-characters?
“That’s such a good idea, you just don’t know...” Fraction mused, clearly excited by the notion, explaining it to Brubaker that the fan had come up with an explanation for rampant misogyny in comics.

“Yeah – Emma’s just worried that Cyclops will go after any mutant in a skirt,” Brubaker added, laughing.

Fraction added that readers will see an Emma Frost miniseries in 2009.

Moving on, Brubaker said that there will be stories coming that touch upon Vulcan, but Brubaker couldn’t say just what yet.

There will be new villains coming into the book, as well as “remixes” of old villains and new interpretations of current villains. Fraction said that the changes and tweaks are needed because when you have a series such as X-Men that has run for so long, you reach a point where you have to honor continuity, but not live and die by it. That said, Fraction explained that there will be old favorites presented in new lights, such as the Hellfire Cult and the Sisterhood of Evil Mutants. To illustrate his point, Fraction said that at the end of issue #500, there’s a scene with a number of skinheads in Hellfire masks – “It’s things you’ve never seen before, but yet, are things that are familiar.”

In response to a question about the Hellfire Club, Fraction said that Emma Frost “has a huge couple of years ahead of her. And riffing off of that, Fraction said that he and Fraction will be putting the sex back in the X-Men. “There’s been a mutant baby, since M-Day,” Fraction said, adding, “How do you make more babies?” The writer intimated that while things won’t be blatant, sex and reproduction will be in the forefront of the X-men’s minds.

“So instead of having ‘that talk’ with my son, I can just give him an issue of X-Men?” a father asked Fraction?

“Have him read Identity Crisis, and then ask him, ‘Okay, what was wrong with that?’” Fraction answered back.

Asked how much control Cyclops will have over his powers, related to what readers saw at the end of Astonishing X-Men, Brubaker said that he loved the ending, but felt that Cyclops didn’t want ot have that control anymore, and has asked Emma to shut off that part of his brain – but can still turn “off” his powers if he wants to, “but it takes an amazing amount of willpower.”

In answering a question about the X-Men’s supposed doctrine of tolerance, yet they segregate themselves from the rest of society, Brubaker said that he and Fraction see the move to San Francisco as a way to address that, and plan to have the X-Men be somewhat “normal” people in San Francisco.

“San Francisco is where you could walk down the street with your wings out rather than hiding them, people would say, look at that guy with cool wings,” Brubaker said, adding that given the presence of the X-Men, other mutants in the country and the world will gravitate to the city, but other teams will remain in their respective locations.

Brubaker said that, to underline the difference between how mutants are seen in San Francisco compared to other cities, he wanted to have the last page of issue #499 show The San Francisco Chronicle and The Daily Bugle lying side-by-side. The headline of the Chronicle: “City Welcomes New Heroes,” while the Bugle’s headline would read: “Freak City Welcomes Freak Heroes: New York to X-Men: Drop Dead!”

In explaining one of the future themes that he and Brubaker are looking to explore, Fraction said that the mutants are in a time of change, as, for years, the book and the team were based in science, and literally were at the edge of evolution. Now, Fraction explained, Cyclops has to have faith – that whatever Cable is doing with the mutant baby will somehow work out for their species. Fraction said that will be a core tenet underlying the character of Cyclops – “what does it mean for Cyclops, when you’re the guy in charge and all you have is hope?”

Related to that, Fraction said that he and Brubaker have a constraint that wasn’t necessarily there before for earlier X-Men writers, that is, new mutants can’t just be created for a scene or storyline and thrown in to meet the story’s needs.

Brubaker agreed, adding that he and Fraction will be sticking close to the”198” mutants that supposedly survived M-Day, even though that number was originally meant to be a rough estimate, with perhaps as many as 400 mutants with powers remaining in the Marvel Universe. Somewhere in its use, Brubaker said, that “soft” number became a “hard” number, so the writers will try their best to abide by it. Brubaker thanked uncannyxmen.net for keeping tabs on which mutants have been shown to still have their powers, and which were depowered.

There are no plans to use Kitty Pryde, Brubaker said in response to a question, although, Fraction added, Colossus will really, really miss her. Likewise, there are no current plans to use The Initiative’s Mutant Zero or Cassandra Nova. And Fraction teased a Magneto appearance hard.

An appearance by Captain America got a “maybe” from Brubaker, but one character that will definitely be making an appearance: Storm. “She’s going to be kind of like Wolverine,” Fraction said. “She’ll really be racking up the Frequent Flyer miles between us and Black Panther, and she’ll be in Astonishing as well – Warren has a big crush on her. He loves her.”

Asked if Banshee will return, Brubaker said “He’s pretty dead,” to which Fraction asked if he was “Uncle Ben ‘dead’ or Bucky ‘dead?’”

Brubaker answered Fraction’s question with, “If you die in a flashback [as Bucky did] you’re not really dead, so I think he’s more like Uncle Ben dead and Gwen Stacy dead. But you never know – he’s an X-Man.”

Weapon 12 and Fantomex?

“You, me and Grant Morrison are the only guys that like him,” Fraction replied to the fan who asked the question, adding that he had a story where he wanted to bring him in, but Brubaker shot it down, citing the bizarre continuity problem of the Weapon __ program, Captain America’s involvement and the like.

Asked if readers can expect more character-driven elements, reminiscent of the Chris Claremont era, Fraction said that he and Brubaker are huge fans of the X-Men issues where the team would play softball, “or have a snowball fight against the Avengers in Central Park,” Brubaker added.

Brubaker then took point, explaining that he can easily remember the actions and interactions of the characters 20 or 30 years previous to this day, but can be hazy on the plots, that is, the larger events that put the characters into the situations.

“I always say that the X-Men is superhero romance comics with action some of the time,” Brubaker said. “That’s the kind of stuff I’m hoping we can bring into the book...”

Asked how they see the dynamic between Cyclops and Wolverine, Fraction said that he will be touching upon it on his first arc. The writer said that he sees Wolverine as being something of the bad example of the team, who has always been a little detached with a “don’t become like me,” vibe. Now, as a result of M-Day and more recently “Messiah Complex” and “Divided We Stand,” Cyclops has had to change and, ultimately become more like Wolverine. While that may be where he needs to be for the X-Men, Wolverine sees it as a shame that it had to happen to someone like Cyclops. Boiling it down to a pop culture touchstone, Fraction described their relationship as something akin to Han Solo and Luke Skywalker.

The stories that Fraction and Brubaker will write in Uncanny will be shorter in nature, the writers said, though there will be a “superflow” to the series of no fixed length. Both said that they will not be writing Uncanny X-Men “for the trade,” even though, they joked, they write all their other work that way.

Jean Grey? Still taking the dirt nap, Fraction said.

And finally, touching back upon the character-driven elements, in response to a question about “seasonal” stories, such as those which used to reflect on the holidays or events throughout the year, Brubaker said that they hope to bring those elements back, with Fraction adding that Pixie could make a psychedelic snowstorm in San Francisco for Christmas. Brubaker quickly added that Storm can make is snow anywhere, and Fraction, his face lighting up said, “That can be the X-Men’s gift to San Francisco! Here you go San Francisco, a white Christmas every year! Sweet! We just made another million dollars!”

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080623-HCXpanel.html
 
"Fraction added that readers will see an Emma Frost miniseries in 2009. "

"Jean Grey still taking a dirt nap."

"Ellis has a crush on storm."

All I can say to that is awesome. There is a reason why I'm sticking around with X-men. So, the writers are gonna try and stick to the 198... in Avengers the Initiative, aren't we told that there are around 300 mutants total? Will that ever be brought up was that merely Slott putting a few aces up his sleeve?
 
Im sad that Jean's not coming back. Oh well. I didnt get about how Storm and Ellis?
 
Im sad that Jean's not coming back. Oh well. I didnt get about how Storm and Ellis?
I dont pay much attention to what they say about Jean bc if and when she returns, it will most likely be a big surprise. They're still talking about her and its been years now
 

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