Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Emma ain't croaking. Hell, they didn't even bother making her a red herring.

 

[Snikt 6]

Emma ain't croaking. Hell, they didn't even bother making her a red herring.

I know...I know...

Here are a few others that would be good for the mutant sacrafice:
Cannonball
Angel - I like the character, but what has he done lately?
Monet
Rictor - I know he is depowered....but he is just lame IMO

 

[El Bastardo]

I dont think it will be Madrox, I am not a huge fan of the character, but he just seems to be the link that holds it all together in X-Factor.

And? They did say the death would mean something. And considering that the books are being restructured after the crossover, him being the glue of the X-Factor team doesn't necessarily mean anything anyway.

In a way, Madrox is symbolic of the good mutants who don't want to live happily ever after under the rule of King Summers and his Freaky Mistress (I'm sorry, Darth, I love Emma too, but I couldn't resist). Under that current model, his death would mean something, even more if his role in Messiah Complex is heavily important.

 

[El Bastardo]

I know...I know...

Here are a few others that would be good for the mutant sacrafice:
Cannonball
Angel - I like the character, but what has he done lately?
Monet
Rictor - I know he is depowered....but he is just lame IMO

The death is supposed to mean something. Um, how do any of those deaths matter?

Difference between death mattering and sacrificial lamb.

 

[Snikt 6]

The death is supposed to mean something. Um, how do any of those deaths matter?

Difference between death mattering and sacrificial lamb.

Yeah, they wouldnt mean much, but couldnt we just throw them in the blast or something?????

Good call on Madrox. That would matter. Guess well just have to wait and see.....have they said which issue the characters bites it?

 

[El Bastardo]

No.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

In a way, Madrox is symbolic of the good mutants who don't want to live happily ever after under the rule of King Summers and his Freaky Mistress (I'm sorry, Darth, I love Emma too, but I couldn't resist).

It was funny, actually.

Under that current model, his death would mean something, even more if his role in Messiah Complex is heavily important.

I dunno, man, considering the spoilers Bru gave about the Cyke/Stark scene, people whining about Cyke not standing up to baddies/government will be sort of a moot by now, won't it?

Hell, if anything, they've hinted at Cyke becoming the warleader other people he wasn't. The opposing of various x-factions might and most likely will have a completely different by then.

Guess I'm just saying Jamie dying about, say, halfway through MC (or even before that) would have much more reasonance than a last minute death.

 

[Snikt 6]

I just hope its NOT Prof X AGAIN......

 

[Canemacar]

I just hope its NOT Prof X AGAIN......

Crippled old men are amazingly hard to kill.

 

[El Bastardo]

I dunno, man, considering the spoilers Bru gave about the Cyke/Stark scene, people whining about Cyke not standing up to baddies/government will be sort of a moot by now, won't it?

Hell, if anything, they've hinted at Cyke becoming the warleader other people he wasn't. The opposing of various x-factions might and most likely will have a completely different by then.

Guess I'm just saying Jamie dying about, say, halfway through MC (or even before that) would have much more reasonance than a last minute death.

Well, it does say that by the end of MC one of those people will be dead, not necessarily at the end, so it could happen halfway through. Though we can probably start to reason that out better based on solicits.

And yes about Cyke standing up to people on behalf of the mutant's plight, but a big part of Madrox being firm in his faction not towing the line and following blindly behind Summers was the Astonishing team's knowledge of M-Day and the subsequent secret.

Despite everything else that David has done in X-Factor, that right there is a core part of the book and the team. That's more than not standing up to the government during Civil War. To the X-Factor team, once they found out the truth of M-Day, it made them look at Scott and by extension the rest of the X-Men in a whole different light.

 

[UraniaChang]

I wouldn't mind if it is Multiple Man to die, as far as I'm concerned, he's only useful for multiple votes.

 

[Snikt 6]

I wouldn't mind if it is Multiple Man to die, as far as I'm concerned, he's only useful for multiple votes.

Good call....I wonder is half of the 199 mutants left are just Jamie....

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Despite everything else that David has done in X-Factor, that right there is a core part of the book and the team. That's more than not standing up to the government during Civil War. To the X-Factor team, once they found out the truth of M-Day, it made them look at Scott and by extension the rest of the X-Men in a whole different light.

Would said core survive without Jamie?

Layla was on Summers' side. Rictor's just pissed because he lost his powers.

Oh, and Rahne will be siding with one of Cyke's teams. Rest of the crew minus the MIA Jamie/Layla tagteam will most likely do the same.

 

[UraniaChang]

Rictor's just pissed because he lost his powers.

I thought it's because Shatterstar isn't around...

 

[El Bastardo]

Would said core survive without Jamie?

Layla was on Summers' side. Rictor's just pissed because he lost his powers.

Oh, and Rahne will be siding with one of Cyke's teams. Rest of the crew minus the MIA Jamie/Layla tagteam will most likely do the same.

Which is why I said that Madrox is symbolic of the mutants who don't want to follow Summers. I didn't say the team itself, but as Madrox is, he ties under his banner others, just as Scott leads those who follow him.

I feel confused now. Layla was on his side, yes, but we can't really use Rahne based on speculation of why she'll wind up on the X-Force team. War changes everything.

But I do recall the majority of the X-Factor team angry at the "facts" of the case, if that matters.

 

[Snikt 6]

Crippled old men are amazingly hard to kill.

Ha....guess its either the wrinkles or super shiney head that freak people out......

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Which is why I said that Madrox is symbolic of the mutants who don't want to follow Summers. I didn't say the team itself, but as Madrox is, he ties under his banner others, just as Scott leads those who follow him.

Nevermind, then. Was just saying Jamei and mostly him (like, 99%) was aforementioned core.

I feel confused now. Layla was on his side, yes, but we can't really use Rahne based on speculation of why she'll wind up on the X-Force team. [War changes everything.

She'll still be under Cyke's banner. While Jamie's either MIA or incapacitated. Was just saying yet again it's mostly about Jamie.

 

[OutcryX]

Would laugh my ass off at Mystique croaking. And I love Blue, it's just that I'd really love it for either Exodus or Sinister to off her if she tries anything.

Would anyone care that much for Bishop dying in the MU? Either way?

Want Hank to live, but I gotta admit, it definitely would be the most "OMG, they actually the balls to do it" vibe of the three you mentioned.

What the hell!?!?! Darth you must be trying to get my attention...well here it is...and HELL YES...I would care if he died...as far as anyone in the MU...perhaps not..Shard? Fixx? Archer?(members of the XUE from his timeline currently in the 616)

 

[OutcryX]

With Jamie and Layla gone, not saying either are going anywhere, ...X-Factor would never survive or be interesting...throw in the fact that Rahne joins X-Force(could really care less) leaves M, Siryn(ew), Strong Guy and a depowered Rictor.....hahaha...er, yeah.

 

[Specter313]

Marvel Comics on Monday staged a telephone press conference for its upcoming X-Men: Messiah Complex event.

Attending were writers Ed Brubaker, Peter David, Chris Yost, Craig Kyle and Mike Carey and editors Nick Lowe and Axel Alonso. (Click on the thumbnails above for larger images.)

Below are running highlights as the press conference continues.

* Messiah Complex was described as "the biggest X-Men event in a decade." Lowe said the event will be the biggest global change in the X-Universe in 15 years, "if not longer."

* Lowe said the first issue of Messiah Complex will feature the first new mutant since House of M and there is a race to find this mutant.

* Alonso said the possibile mutant birth is like "a shot heard around the world" and it forces people to choose sides, whether it be with Cyclops or Mister Sinister.

* Brubasker said the event is the event is the most fun he's had with the X-Men characters since Deadly Genesis and he likes widening the playing field. He compared it to the 1990s X-Men event with many characters, but the actual purpose feels more clear. "It actually reads like an X-Men story of modern times," he said.

* Lowe said the event has a simple throughline in its story.

* Alonso said the event will be accessible to new fans who are picking up the book for the first time. He said the story is very focused, instead of people running around punching each other.

"This is a big event. It forces people to look inside and what they believe," Alonso said.

* Alonso said the event recalibrates the X-Men Universe in a major way.

* Comparing it to Civil War, Brubaker said that the X-Men that come out of Messiah Complex are more interesting than the X-Men coming into it.

* Carey said one of the things he's enjoyed most about is that it's been planned for two years and that he attended his first Marvel creative retreat. "There's kind of an organic quality to this you don't always see in a crossover event," he said.

* Yost said the event has a really strong emotional core. "The big explosions really are just emotional events. People are going to have really strong reactions to what's going to go down here," Yost said.

* Yost said it felt natural for the Purefiers to be involved in the event. "How can you fight guys who believe they're doing the work of God?" Kyle added.

* Kyle noted he and Yost came on to New X-Men just after House of M, with the young mutants backed into a wall. "For us we got to change the book and show that the kids who did make it out could be really good X-Men," Kyle said, noting that this is the first time the younger mutants have had a chance to "run shoulders with the 'A' guys."

* David noted he was the only person on the call who was around in the 1990s X-Men crossovers. "I really like the energy coming out," he said, noting that crossovers needed to happen regularly back then to keep sales and sometimes lacked the energy of Messiah Complex.

"In this instance, this is something that flows from what's come before," David said. "It's the mark of quality fiction."

* David said the best science fiction is something that resonates in the real world. "Endangered species are something that we're all hyper-aware of," he said, noting that the human race might not be long for the planet.

David said that a story about people fighting for their survival but still keeping hope is uplifting.

* David reiterated the organic feel in creating Messiah Complex. "Back in the day, crossovers were disruptive," he said, noting how plans had to be back-burnered for them and that it led him to quitting X-Factor for the first time.

David said he had six months lead time into Messiah Complex, which allowed him to finish up his plans in #24 and plant seeds for the crossover.

* David said past events in the X-Universe were used as a foundation, instead of previous crossovers which simply took a different direction.

* Brubaker and David said that X-Men newbie Alonso was a good gauge for whether new readers could enjoy it.

* Alonso said there are four camps for the event: save the baby, control the baby, kill the baby and eat the baby. "This event forces people to forge alliances," he said.

"If there's a character you don't know who they are immediately, you will find out through the context soon enough," Brubaker said.

* Carey said the event has given the writers a focus because of the pre-determined direction. "It's a brilliant way of clearing your mind. Working with simple themes and a shared goal cleared my mind quite a lot," he said, noting that the creators came away from the creative retreat happy with how the event would effect their titles and characters.

* Brubaker said he's attended a lot of event summits, going back to his Batman days. He noted he threw one idea out at the X-summit that he made sure he got in his book, but generally everybody had successful input.

* Lowe said the event will change every X-book in terms of cast and modus operandi. "And not every book comes out of this," Brubaker added.

* David said that in X-Factor's anchor has been Jamie Madrox, and the Messiah Complex has a major impact on Madrox's personality. "It's going to be a very different world," David said, adding that the book will still feature a detective agency with a major shift in dynamic.

"It can't help but change people because their world is decidedly different," David said.

* Lowe said every issue of the event will be numbered on the trade dress and will contain a recap page at the beginning. "It's one big story," Lowe said.

* X-Factor wasn't originally going to be part of Messiah Complex, but became a big factor. "X-Factor really fit because they fit organically," Alonso said.

David noted that X-Factor being a detective agency is important in the story

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0709/24/marvelpress.htm

 

[OutcryX]

awesomeness

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, it's the *VARIANT* cover?

 

[Havok83]

Archangel is BACK!

 

[TromaFreak64]

So are they saying one of the core X-men books won't come back after the event... if we assume that New X-Men is lowest in sales the most recent months, but X-Factor and New X-Men are generally right around the 50 mark every month and some months alternate with higher sales... but the article also seems to confirm the safety of X-Factor referring to the dynamic shift after the event (which again gives weight to those saying Mardox will die).

 

[El Bastardo]

* David said that in X-Factor's anchor has been Jamie Madrox, and the Messiah Complex has a major impact on Madrox's personality. "It's going to be a very different world," David said, adding that the book will still feature a detective agency with a major shift in dynamic.

Yeah, Madrox isn't dying. Death is not a "major impact on Madrox's personality." Well, it is, but it's a stupid way of beating around the bush if talking about the character who'll die.

So, far as I'm concerned, we can add Madrox to the list of safe people.

And that art is awesome. Go Gambit, go.