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There's only one person with the potential to rival that. Sam Guthie a.k.a. Cannonball.

The man's been taught by Cable, Pete Wisdom and Professor Xavier while getting some tutoring from Storm, Wolverine and Cyclops.
 
Sam :up:

Or better yet, have Havok work on his self doubting crutch during Emperor Vulcan and have his ass lead when he gets back
 
By the by, especially now, Cable and Xavier would be the worst choice to lead. Both are seriously on the outs with most X-ers.

Even in peaceful days, there's quite a few X-Men that wouldn't follow either of them, and certainly when they're together. Cable has a long history of unpredictability and a certain level of untrustworthiness. Same goes for Xavier, whom half the X-Men don't even know.
 
They'll all listen to Cyclops, all the X-Men and every little off-shoot team you can think off. There's no one else of the X-Men that can rival that.

I know you like Cyke but get over it, Storm is a good leader.

Other then the X-Men, what other teams are under Cyke's leadership?
 
By the by, especially now, Cable and Xavier would be the worst choice to lead. Both are seriously on the outs with most X-ers.

Even in peaceful days, there's quite a few X-Men that wouldn't follow either of them, and certainly when they're together. Cable has a long history of unpredictability and a certain level of untrustworthiness. Same goes for Xavier, whom half the X-Men don't even know.

Cable's only on the outs because nobody understands what he's doing and why he's doing it. Nobody's mad at Cable except for Wolverine and maybe Warpath because Caliban died.

As for not knowing Xavier, he is a telepath after all. He could download his life story into their heads in 30 mins :up:
 
I know you like Cyke but get over it, Storm is a good leader.

Other then the X-Men, what other teams are under Cyke's leadership?

Agreed. X-Factor sure doesn't like him. Storm did a great job leading Uncanny for that 1 arc. I didn't mind Rogue leading her squad, and i HATE Rogue :up:
 
Agreed. X-Factor sure doesn't like him. Storm did a great job leading Uncanny for that 1 arc. I didn't mind Rogue leading her squad, and i HATE Rogue :up:

But if Cyke said "yo, come to the Mansion," they'd show up. That's kind of the point.

Heck, most good leaders aren't like at all.

And yes, Cannonball would make a great team lead. If, someday, we actually see the X-characters get a little older then I'm sure Sam will be given a crack at leading one of the go-to teams (and not just one full of former New Mutants and that like).
 
But if Cyke said "yo, come to the Mansion," they'd show up. That's kind of the point.

Heck, most good leaders aren't like at all.

I think that's just b/c he's the leader; not cuz they love/respect Scott. Heck, the X-Men are a family, if Kitty asked everybody come to the mansion for an important reason; who'd say "Screw you! I'm busy"?
 
I think that's just b/c he's the leader; not cuz they love/respect Scott. Heck, the X-Men are a family, if Kitty asked everybody come to the mansion for an important reason; who'd say "Screw you! I'm busy"?

True, their in a crisis and it would be foolish to turn down a call for help.
 
I know you like Cyke but get over it, Storm is a good leader.
This isn't about my like or dislike of anyone. Cyclops IS the leader of the X-Men. The one everybody follows. It has always been that way, and it'll probably always be that way. That isn't a jab to Storm at all, I was just using her as an example since she was already brought up. It isn't about me finding her leadership crap, but saying that nobody else compares to Cycke's leadership abilities.

Other then the X-Men, what other teams are under Cyke's leadership?
Well, right now, we have very few off-shoots. X-Force already follows Cycke's commands (he created the team and put Wolverine in charge), the New X-Men, although doubtful, still heeded his words, and X-Factor is admittedly one big mess right now. Cyclops is undoubted the core leader of the teams right now. The General.

Cable's only on the outs because nobody understands what he's doing and why he's doing it. Nobody's mad at Cable except for Wolverine and maybe Warpath because Caliban died.
Which is exactly Cable's problem. He never tells anyone what he's up to, and X-Force has broken away from him because of that before. You don't want to follow that kind of guy.

As for not knowing Xavier, he is a telepath after all. He could download his life story into their heads in 30 mins :up:
Which would violate his own code of ethics and probably disgust everyone there.

To come back to my earlier General statement, I actually think that's a pretty fair metaphor. All of the other leader, Storm, Cable etc. are the Lieutenants, the Captains. Scott's the General.
 
Because if there are no X-Men Cyclops cannot lead anything, and it will be his leadership that led them to disband :D
 
People seem to be missing the point.

Cyclops leads the core. That is, even when it's broken into separate teams, as it was around the Relaunch and Uncanny, Astonishing, and Adjectiveless had separate teams, Cyclops was the Headmaster and the one who said who went where.

And people listened to him, because he's Cyclops, and he's the leader. Why? Because he was placed there by Xavier, after being bred and groomed by Xavier to be that.

Storm doesn't have that kind of call or claim to leadership. And she doesn't have that much ability, either, frankly, unless she's being written by Claremont, and really. That doesn't count. At all. Not a bit. Except against her.

Storm could lead an individual team, I guess. Whatever. But not the whole.

Nor could Havok. Even if he worked out all of his issues, he's not his brother. And while Havok is a fine leader in his own right, and an even better one without the baby brother issues that Milligan deemed fit to put back in, he's not a leader of the same calibre as Cyclops.

Xavier and Cable would be awful joint-leaders, I'm sorry. Xavier's all about peacetime. Cable's been fighting his entire life. There'd be no meeting of minds, and Xavier would pretty much do the same thing to Cable that he was doing to Cyclops. Cable might respect Xavier a lot, but it doesn't mean he'd listen to him or put up with him. In fact, Cable's made a general point in the past of not listening to Xavier's counsel.

These characters, and others, could manage fine being team heads. They'd all lead differently, but they'd be leading their own people. Not the whole. They couldn't lead the whole.

But yeah, I agree with Harlekin. If anyone can come close to Cyclops that isn't Havok, it's Cannonball. And it's really a shame that he's never had the opportunity to blossom into Cyclops-lite. That should be rectified.

Soon as I start writing comics, people.
 
Colossus, Like five years ago in real life and just a couple of weeks here :p
 
Re-Read X-Men 80 El Bastardo and then tell the X-Men wouldn't listen to Storm as sole leader.
 
Well, right now, we have very few off-shoots. X-Force already follows Cycke's commands (he created the team and put Wolverine in charge)

Technically, the team hasn't form yet but ok.:cwink:

the New X-Men, although doubtful, still heeded his words

New X-Men doesn't count, their students at the school that Emma and Cyke run, they're not a outside team...besides their called X-Men.:oldrazz:

and X-Factor is admittedly one big mess right now. Cyclops is undoubted the core leader of the teams right now. The General.

Oddly enough, I think this is the first time Cyke has had control over an satellite team.
 
Storm doesn't have that kind of call or claim to leadership. And she doesn't have that much ability, either, frankly, unless she's being written by Claremont, and really. That doesn't count. At all. Not a bit. Except against her.

Storm could lead an individual team, I guess. Whatever. But not the whole.

Nor could Havok. Even if he worked out all of his issues, he's not his brother. And while Havok is a fine leader in his own right, and an even better one without the baby brother issues that Milligan deemed fit to put back in, he's not a leader of the same calibre as Cyclops.

I'm guessing you missed X-Cutioner's Song.:hehe:
 
Re-Read X-Men 80 El Bastardo and then tell the X-Men wouldn't listen to Storm as sole leader.
Evidently I should have added Joe Kelly to hang out with Chris Claremont in Idiocy-ville. Consider it amended.
 
I'm guessing you missed X-Cutioner's Song.:hehe:
I have vague memories of X-Cutioner's Song. I was a wee lad.

Were the number of X-Men then the same number of X-Men as now? Were they as rowdy and rebellious as today's X-Men tend to be? Was Cyclops completely out of the picture?

And who was leading the whole of the X-Men? Storm or Havok? You quoted both. And both cannot lead the whole. And if they were both leading, then it was individuals/individual teams, and not the whole.

Come. Educate me, if you think you can.
 
I have vague memories of X-Cutioner's Song. I was a wee lad.

You should try to find the trade, it not that bad

Were the number of X-Men then the same number of X-Men as now?

Blue and Gold team with X-Factor.

Were they as rowdy and rebellious as today's X-Men tend to be?


Does it make a differents? This is not the first time Storm lead a team of rebellious X-Men.

Was Cyclops completely out of the picture?

He was setting on the moon with Jean.

And who was leading the whole of the X-Men? Storm or Havok? You quoted both. And both cannot lead the whole.

It was Storm as the overall leader with Havok as her second in command.

Come. Educate me, if you think you can.

Baby, I can educate you all day long if you have the time.
 
Well, clearly the X-Men were only following Storm's lead, IF INDEED THEY WERE, in order to get their true leader back, AKA Cyclops, and so Storm wouldn't be a whining drama queen later named Halle Berry if she didn't get the big part.

:D

Logical re-ordering of reasoning is the only defense against the heathenly fluke that is Storm and super-leadership.
 

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