Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome, 3 people!

 

[UraniaChang]

The X-boards tend to be the craziest sections of the forums I visit. The X-section over at CBR just started a thread to discuss the HFC and their various (hypothetical) sexual kinks . . . I think there's a wager going on how long the thread can last before it implodes and has to be closed. t:

Awesome, 3 people!

Precious minority/Endangered species t:.

UraniaChang is into Cyclops, so maybe she is on our side. That would make three of us, at least . . .

Then I must be 95% straight, 5% lesbian reserved for gender-reversed Cyke.

 

[OutcryX]

Dude, I feel your pain. You're not alone.

UraniaChang is into Cyclops, so maybe she is on our side. That would make three of us, at least . . .



The X-boards tend to be the craziest sections of the forums I visit. The X-section over at CBR just started a thread to discuss the HFC and their various (hypothetical) sexual kinks . . . I think there's a wager going on how long the thread can last before it implodes and has to be closed. t:

What the hell? i didn't know people were playing sides....jokingly or not.

 

[Brand]

Then I must be 95% straight, 5% lesbian reserved for gender-reversed Cyke.

Gah, that was a horrible book. Not a bad premise, but the author's bias towards Wolverine really showed through.

What the hell? i didn't know people were playing sides....jokingly or not.

I meant that I thought she was straight.

As for taking sides, someone (Valechan, I think) was threatening not long ago that the X-boards would be hetero-free soon. We have to muster every straight man and woman we can--all four of us, apparently--to prevent this! It's literally "Endangered Species" for the poor straight people on the X-boards.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

We need a Hetero-Genosha or something

 

[Brand]

We need a Hetero-Genosha or something

Trying not to make a joke relating Outcry to a Wild Sentinel . . .

t:

 

[UraniaChang]

Gah, that was a horrible book. Not a bad premise, but the author's bias towards Wolverine really showed through.

Wolverine? What Wolverine? The small creatures in the zoo?

Oh, do you happen to remember which book that story took place? Thanks in advance.

 

[Brand]

Wolverine? What Wolverine? The small creatures in the zoo?

Oh, do you happen to remember which book that story took place? Thanks in advance.

It was in X-Men: Dark Mirror. Several of the X-Men got body-swapped with residents of an institution for the mentally unstable, to put it kindly. I believe Cyke and Logan got stuck in the bodies of women. I do remember that Rogue was in an older woman's body and Jean was a big black guy.

Here's the info about it from Amazon:

Product Description
Feared and mistrusted by the very people they have sworn to protect, the X-Men are a band of mutant heroes dedicated to defending humans from those mutants who would use their powers to harm and destroy. Blessed -- some would say cursed -- with awesome abilities, the members of the X-Men are Earth's last defense against villains and madmen...and the future's only hope.

Jean Grey awakens in an unfamiliar room. She is weak, disoriented, stripped of her telepathic and telekinetic powers -- and trapped in someone else's body. Also prisoner are her teammates Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, and Nightcrawler -- their minds held hostage within the bodies of strangers. Who has brought them here, and for what purpose? The answers lead to a terrifying plan that threatens not only the X-Men, but all of mutantkind...

The biggest thing I didn't like about the book (there were several) was that Cyke was absolutely useless. Virtually every useful idea came from Logan--he never lost his cool and made all the decisions. Scott just floundered around and made one bad suggestion after another, all of which were shot down by Logan. I wasn't too keen on how the big fight scene was resolved, either, although I suppose it might make sense depending on when the book is supposed to take place.

 

[UraniaChang]

I read the fic, the best part in that story is basically seeing Scott and Jean in a gender-reversed situation, but you are right about the Wolverine overly-focused part.

My favorite X-Men sci-fi are Mutant Empire and Chaos Engine, I think the writers of the two books did a much better job at balancing each characters.

 

[Brand]

I read the fic, the best part in that story is basically seeing Scott and Jean in a gender-reversed situation, but you are right about the Wolverine overly-focused part.

My favorite X-Men sci-fi are Mutant Empire and Chaos Engine, I think the writers of the two books did a much better job at balancing each characters.

I don't think I've read either of those. DM put me off of X-Men books, so I tried out the Spider-Man ones for awhile. Then OMD/BND had to come along and mess that up. I've hardly touched the last Spidey book I bought. Of course, college has had a bit to do with that, too.

 

[Valechan]

eww straighties

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Awesome, 3 people!

Make that four.

And, wait, that book can't possibly set in 616, right? Right?

 

[Brand]

eww straighties

Hey, don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Make that four.

And, wait, that book can't possibly set in 616, right? Right?

No, I think our numbers are up to five now. We are legion! t:

As for the book, I think it's set in the 616. As for being canon, I've never heard it referenced anywhere else.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Make that four.

Awesome. We can get a full game of Mario Kart going

 

[AndThePickles]

Five But I'm totally down with gay people.

 

[Manic]

Now when you say you're "down"...

 

[AndThePickles]

 

[OutcryX]

i think it's quite sad that people are rushing to identify as either gay or straight...we have such a screwed up society, as if it all really matters....

..oh and manic...coulda swore u were'nt str8

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You mean like... DAYS later...?

And then joking about a Mario Kart game...?

 

[Manic]

..oh and manic...coulda swore u were'nt str8

How'd you get that impression?

 

[Brand]

Speaking of Mario Kart, I'm calling Luigi right now. t:

 

[OutcryX]

How'd you get that impression?

no clue really...just always did...oh well

 

[Manic]

Maybe it's spreading. Maybe I'm catching the gay.

 

[Specter313]

The tragic loose ends of Marvel’s Messiah Complex began to play themselves out last month with the release of X-Men: Divided We Stand Book I—one of two bookend comics featuring vignettes spotlighting several characters directly effected by the ramifications of the Messiah Complex. In May, Marvel releases the second installment of X-Men: Divided We Stand. Today, Newsarama continues to discuss the ramifications of the Messiah Complex with several of the writers involved with the Divided We Stand bookends.

This time around Mike Carey returns with Duane Swierczynski and CB Cebulski riding shotgun. Readers will remember that CB stopped by a couple of weeks ago with this little spoiler…

Click here for a look at the original interview with the writers involved with Divided We Stand Book I.

Newsarama: In Divided We Stand: Book I, readers were given a taste of the effects and aftermath of Messiah Complex with various characters from the X-books. Who are the three of you telling stories about in Book II? What can you divulge about the stories?

Duane Swierczynski: I wanted to tell a story about Forge because it seemed like he really got the raw end of the deal in both Messiah Complex and Cable #2. I was curious about what was going through his head—specifically, how a creative mind like Forge’s recovers from the trauma he suffered.

Mike Carey: My story in DWS 2 centers on Beast. It's kind of a "putting the chairs on the tables and turning out the lights" story: it has Hank going back to the mansion and doing all the things that need to be done there before the X-Men abandon it for good. There's very little action, in one sense—certainly no fights. It's a quiet character piece, but with a lot of nods towards the incredible history of this place and the part it's played in the X-Men's lives.

CB Cebulski: I'm actually lucky enough to have two stories in issue two. The first story features Surge, from New X-Men, and Dani Moonstar from the New Mutants; the second is a short story about Darkchylde/ Magik.

The Dani story has her trying to help Surge deal with her feelings of loss over the disbanding of the X-Men. The kids on her team pretty much became the only family she had in her life and now that they're gone, Nori has turned to a dark place. She's heading down a path that might possibly lead her back to past problems and she turns to Dani for advice. But will she get it?

And in the Magik tale, we see more of Illyana's Rasputin's true personality emerge as she takes her first steps toward reclaiming her soul. She finally leaves Limbo only to find out what's happened to the X-Men after Messiah Complex, which does not make her happy!

NRAMA: Who are the artists involved on your two projects?

CBC: The Dani/Surge story marks ChesterQuest finalist David Lafuente's first work at Marvel. However, he did a Hellion story after this one which was printed first in DWS 1. Christina Strain beautifully colored his story. And my Illyana story was penciled and inked by the incredible David Yardin!

NRAMA: Does the story featuring Dani Moonstar shed any light on her upcoming role in Young X-Men as one of the members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants?

CBC: I have to be a walking cliché here and say you'll just have to read to find out! (smiles) Really—I don’t wanna spoil anything.

NRAMA: Everyone still wants to get their hands on "the baby"—Exodus mentions it to Xavier in the issue of Legacy that hits shelves next week and Cable is fighting in the future with Bishop. As DWS wraps up, will there be a change of pace involving this mysterious "savior" or will this story continue to linger into the summer and fall storylines?

MC: I'd say the fate of the baby is a slow-burn thing. The story is ongoing, as you say: it's only a question of when she impacts the X-Men's present-day reality again, and in what way.

DS: Clearly you don’t have children. What, do you think they grow up overnight? (laughs)

NRAMA: Mike, in your Cannonball story in Book 1, Sam seems very angry and somewhat "aloof"...and then, at the end, he flies off and sees something in the sky--is that elaborated on in Book 2 or will this plot thread be examined elsewhere?

MC: It's not anything specific that he sees. He's looking inward, not outward: staring down his own ghosts. We will revisit Sam again soon, and we'll see how his mental state progresses.

NRAMA: Duane, are any other characters from Cable’s elaborate past going to be showing up in the near future?

DS: Oh yeah. You’ll see a familiar face in Cable #3, and a whole bunch of them—okay, I’ll spill it: the rest of the X-Men—in Cable #6.

NRAMA: CB, are we going to see more of your fingerprints on any X-titles in the near future? Which characters would you really like to sink your teeth into?

CBC: I hope so! An issue of Uncanny X-Men was my first comic and I've been reading them non-stop for 30 years. More so than any other characters at Marvel, they're where my heart is and I would love to spend more time playing in their world in the future.

NRAMA: The last time we talked, Nick [Lowe] was clear that "things aren't so sunny" right now. Have they ever really been? In your minds, what are your favorite X-stories from the past?

DS: Grant Morrison’s “E is for Extinction,” because it was brilliant, and because that was the story that brought me back into the X-fold after a long layoff. And speaking of things not being sunny…genocide’s a hell of a way to kick off a story arc. I still remember the sound of my jaw dropping.

MC: I always like the X-Men best when they've got their backs against the wall and things are falling apart big time. It's all the usual suspects, for me: I loved the way the first Hellfire Club story morphed relentlessly and unexpectedly into the Dark Phoenix saga, just when it seemed like the crisis was starting to blow itself out. I loved the unfolding mayhem of “Mutant Massacre.” And I loved Morrison's “Imperial” arc, where the full extent of Cassandra Nova's scheming finally became apparent. Those were all stories where bad went to worse, and worse to apocalyptic. I think that's a great template for an X-Men story.

CBC: Wow, there are quite a few to be honest. I'm a Claremont/Byrne guy, so most of that run has a special place in my heart, especially the intro of Alpha Flight in #120-#121. The Wolvie wedding arc by Paul Smith in #171-#174 leading up to the Dark Phoenix's "return" in #175 was amazing. "Young Dragons in Love" in #181 was a fantastic done-in-one I always go back and read. Then there's issue #205 by Barry Windsor-Smith with Wolvie and Katie Power in such a heart-warming little tale. And that's just the start!

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=155758

 

[Valechan]

I just love those Illyana pages!!! I can't believe she is finally back after all this time, she is such a favorite of mine it's preposterous... I LOVE HER!