The 20 most unhealthy foods for 2009

[chaseter]

I wasn't more expensive for me.

jag

It is common sense Nobody sells one cup of rice, one portion of vegetables, one 6oz chicken cutlet, etc...even if they did, the price for buying more would be cheaper compared to one in the long run...aka buying in bulk. So, after you open the package, you must eat that food or it will spoil. I personally hate eating the same friggin thing 2-3 times in a row so some goes to waste for me. I also don't like reheating certain foods because they just taste nasty after being cooked, chilled, and then cooked again.

I bought mushrooms, carrots, lettuce, brocolli, cucumbers, and chicken Monday to make a few salads. Now I would have to eat 4-5 salads in the span of this week or some of those things will go bad. I can't eat 5 salads for dinner every day this week because I must have variety.

 

[November Rain]

But we need food...we can live without cigarettes.

Eating in the west isnt done out of necessesity anymore, we're over indulged with plenty of sweetened drinks and desserts and all type of weird and wonderful culinary delights that have pretty limited nutritional value to our lives.

I understand what you mean but foods high in vitamin sources or not abundant in sugar, saturated fat, flavourings and preservatives (or significantly high in carbs) and well cut meat should be exempt from what i'm suggesting.

Super taxing only one portion of the food industry would be unfair and the legal issues surrounding that are just immense.

you don't think it's unfair that certain people are making money on the back of a nation's health.


Anyways, raw foods you buy at the grocery store are untaxed compared to cooked foods at restaurants so that is about as good as it will get.

The amount of jobs that would be lost and the capital forfeited is just extremely large if you super tax unhealthy. Plus, who deems what is healthy and what is not? Not everyone's metabolism is the same.

not at all, what's to stop a restaurant serving healthy food.

I would assume if you broke up your daily reccommended intake and weighed it out equally over 3 meals, a healthy meal was one which had everything within a third of your daily recommended intake. maybe slightly bigger for lunch and a smaller breakfast. let's say 30-40% depending on the time of day you are eating.

 

[chaseter]

Eating in the west isnt done out of necessesity anymore, we're over indulged with plenty of sweetened drinks and desserts and all type of weird and wonderful culinary delights that have pretty limited nutritional value to our lives.

I understand what you mean but foods high in vitamin sources or not abundant in sugar, saturated fat, flavourings and preservatives (or significantly high in carbs) and well cut meat should be exempt from what i'm suggesting.

you don't think it's unfair that certain people are making money on the back of a nation's health.


Anyways, raw foods you buy at the grocery store are untaxed compared to cooked foods at restaurants so that is about as good as it will get.


not at all, what's to stop a restaurant serving healthy food.

I would assume if you broke up your daily reccommended intake and weighed it out equally over 3 meals, a healthy meal was one which had everything within a third of your daily recommended intake. maybe slightly bigger for lunch and a smaller breakfast. let's say 30-40% depending on the time of day you are eating.

Sorry but no one will ever pass a bill in which we had to eat 100% healthy foods or you would be forced to pay 1,000% of the original price in taxes. We indulge because we can. It is unfair to take that privilege away because after all a privelege is a choice

And I will personally guarantee you that if every restaurant in this nation was forced to serve healthy food, at least half of the restaurant chains nation wide would fail because people would stop going out to eat.

 

[November Rain]

It's still a choice. If people choose to believe everything the marketers tell them without doing their own investigation and research, it's still a choice they made. What you are describing is influence by big corporations, not mind control or devoiding people of their ability to make decisions for themselves. People still have the ability to make their own decisions; whether they choose to do so or not is another story, but it's still on them, not McDonald's or any other company.

jag

Jag, I don't buy it.

if you go into a restaurant and order food, there isn't any information available on the amount of calories and fat content in that meal. You remain ignorant to that decision.

even if you choose to open your eyes, the avenues aren't available for the right level of investigation because the corps don't want this information to be made legally available to us all.

 

[chaseter]

I am going to Chili's for lunch today...and it will be delicious.

 

[jaguarr]

It is common sense Nobody sells one cup of rice, one portion of vegetables, one 6oz chicken cutlet, etc...even if they did, the price for buying more would be cheaper compared to one in the long run...aka buying in bulk. So, after you open the package, you must eat that food or it will spoil. I personally hate eating the same friggin thing 2-3 times in a row so some goes to waste for me. I also don't like reheating certain foods because they just taste nasty after being cooked, chilled, and then cooked again.

I bought mushrooms, carrots, lettuce, brocolli, cucumbers, and chicken Monday to make a few salads. Now I would have to eat 4-5 salads in the span of this week or some of those things will go bad. I can't eat 5 salads for dinner every day this week because I must have variety.

Have you never heard of a freezer?

jag

 

[jaguarr]

Jag, I don't buy it.

if you go into a restaurant and order food, there isn't any information available on the amount of calories and fat content in that meal. You remain ignorant to that decision.

even if you choose to open your eyes, the avenues aren't available for the right level of investigation because the corps don't want this information to be made legally available to us all.

It is still a choice. Enjoy your time in the Matrix.

jag

 

[chaseter]

Have you never heard of a freezer?

jag

I have a Food Science degree...I know what happens when you put fresh vegetables/fresh anything in a freezer. For them to taste remotely good after thawing I would need liquid nitrogen and we can't buy it. Not to even mention the food's proteins degrading over time along with various chemical reactions in the food.

Try it, freeze a fresh strawberry in the freezer, thaw it, look at it, and taste it

 

[Showtime]

Jag, I don't buy it.

if you go into a restaurant and order food, there isn't any information available on the amount of calories and fat content in that meal. You remain ignorant to that decision.

even if you choose to open your eyes, the avenues aren't available for the right level of investigation because the corps don't want this information to be made legally available to us all.

There is information for almost all the chains, whether it be fast food or otherwise. Also, you can look up the fat content in almost any food and get in the ballpark. You're making this into a conspiracy initiated by the government when it simply doing some homework.

 

[November Rain]

Sorry but no one will ever pass a bill in which we had to eat 100% healthy foods or you would be forced to pay 1,000% of the original price in taxes. We indulge because we can. It is unfair to take that privilege away because after all a privelege is a choice

And I will personally guarantee you that if every restaurant in this nation was forced to serve healthy food, at least half of the restaurant chains nation wide would fail because people would stop going out to eat.

and if it doesn't half of the chains will go out of business because people will be too obese to leave their homes

they did it with cigarettes, it's only a matter of time before they come after booze and alcohol.

it's not about eating 100% healthy food but the sums would mean if restaurants wanted a bigger profit margin, they'd have to be reinventive with their products on a make them tasty not necessarily have them kill ya.

the privelege in this day and age is to be healthy, you pay a premium on a healthier equivalent to a meal than you don't, i'm saying swap the priorities.

when we're old we'll have no one to push us around in our wheelchairs because they'll all be already dead. Gooooooo choice.

 

[Immortalfire]

Let's all go have some of those Baskin Robbins shakes.

 

[November Rain]

There is information for almost all the chains, whether it be fast food or otherwise. Also, you can look up the fat content in almost any food and get in the ballpark. You're making this into a conspiracy initiated by the government when it simply doing some homework.

I'm never sure how to word this since when someone assumes you are doing something, you automatically look guilty when you say you aren't.

ok, i am not making this a sound like a conspiracy.


Ok, when you go into a restaurant and want to order something, you tend to order based on what you can afford correct? So they place the price of the item there for you. It's not like you are caught off guard and have to go check on some website or be referred to someone else to find the information. Based on the prices right infront of you, you can make an informed decision and not put yourself out of pocket (unless by choice).

They also do this with alcohol, not only with price but the vol% of alcohol so you can make an informed choice about your alcohol intake.

Now, why can't we do that with food in a restaurant and be directly shown what is going to be in what so we can make an informed decision about our health? Why do we have to go out doing the searching, why not have the evidence presented to us like in a menu?

Do you not think this shift in attitude would allow people to make a better choice healthwise?

 

[jaguarr]

I have a Food Science degree...I know what happens when you put fresh vegetables/fresh anything in a freezer. For them to taste remotely good after thawing I would need liquid nitrogen and we can't buy it. Not to even mention the food's proteins degrading over time along with various chemical reactions in the food.

Try it, freeze a fresh strawberry in the freezer, thaw it, look at it, and taste it

Then buy frozen vegetables that will tolerate being stored in the freezer.

jag

 

[Nirvana]

Yuck. This is why I love to cook for myself.

 

[Showtime]

Ok, when you go into a restaurant and want to order something, you tend to order based on what you can afford correct? So they place the price of the item there for you. It's not like you are caught off guard and have to go check on some website or be referred to someone else to find the information. Based on the prices right infront of you, you can make an informed decision and not put yourself out of pocket (unless by choice).

I never go to a restaurant and order something based on what I can afford, if you have to do that, you shouldn't be going to a restaurant in the first place and just eat at home.

Now, why can't we do that with food in a restaurant and be directly shown what is going to be in what so we can make an informed decision about our health? Why do we have to go out doing the searching, why not have the evidence presented to us like in a menu?

But you are living in "what ifs" rather than "what is". There isn't information on the menu in regards to health, but how hard is it to figure out that a salad with low fat dressing and grilled chicken is better than a double cheeseburger?

Do you not think this shift in attitude would allow people to make a better choice healthwise?

I think that millions of people, both poor and rich, are living a healthy lifestyle. If that isn't by choice, then apparently all the voodoo marketing campaigns haven't effected them yet.

 

[Immortalfire]

Holy shoot...upon re-reading it, I see that Baskin Robbins has surpassed the 2300 calorie, 105 fat gram Heath shake with the 2600 calorie, 135 fat gram Oreo shake...my god.

It's death in a cup.

 

[terry78]

Holy shoot...upon re-reading it, I see that Baskin Robbins has surpassed the 2300 calorie, 105 fat gram Heath shake with the 2600 calorie, 135 fat gram Oreo shake...my god.

It's death in a cup.

You eat one of those, you technically shouldn't eat anything else for a full day and a half.

 

[November Rain]

I never go to a restaurant and order something based on what I can afford, if you have to do that, you shouldn't be going to a restaurant in the first place and just eat at home.

unless you're living outside of your means, you have to. You don't order food and drink when you have no money to pay for it. Whether your upper limit is a set figure or the amount of money you have in your account doesn't really matter, it's still there.

But you are living in "what ifs" rather than "what is". There isn't information on the menu in regards to health, but how hard is it to figure out that a salad with low fat dressing and grilled chicken is better than a double cheeseburger?

you dodged my original question here. Do you not think having his information available when purchasing food would make more people able to make an informed decision?

YOu know it all comes down to preparation, sometimes the 'salad' isn't the healthier option. There was that finding for mcdonalds that its salads had more saturated fat content than its big macs even though it was sold as the 'healthier alternative'

and you can have a burger on wholemeal bread with lean horsemeat (yeah that's right, i said horsemeat...stop laughing) and fully skimmed freckles of cheese and lots of lettuce that wouldn't bust the scales.

it all depends on delivery and that's why the info is important.

I think that millions of people, both poor and rich, are living a healthy lifestyle. If that isn't by choice, then apparently all the voodoo marketing campaigns haven't effected them yet.

you dodged this question as well

that's great for the millions but what about the hundred of millions who are obese. I don't even have numbers of people who are overweight and are at a higher risk of having heart problems in the future? do you not want them to join the rest of the healthy millions?

you make it sound like they are in the majority.

meh...

 

[chaseter]

Then buy frozen vegetables that will tolerate being stored in the freezer.

jag

Do they even sell frozen mushrooms? What about lettuce? You can't freeze lettuce and it whilts quickly.

I am sure you can save tons of money cooking for one and eating bland frozen foods that you re-freeze. There are always exceptions for every statement. I don't do that. It is easier to cook good, healthy food for two or more than it is for one...that is all


mmmm Chili's was good today. With November Rain's plan, my meal would have costed $300

 

[jaguarr]

Do they even sell frozen mushrooms? What about lettuce? You can't freeze lettuce and it whilts quickly.

I am sure you can save tons of money cooking for one and eating bland frozen foods that you re-freeze. There are always exceptions for every statement. I don't do that. It is easier to cook good, healthy food for two or more than it is for one...that is all

I respect your right to be wrong.

jag

 

[chaseter]

I respect your right to be wrong.

jag

How about agree to disagree? Neither of us alone can claim to be correct

 

[Immortalfire]

I respect your right to be wrong.

jag

How about agree to disagree? Neither of us alone can claim to be correct

 

[jaguarr]

Ha! I just tore apart your entire argument! *high fives the Chili's waitresses but feels guilty because it's cheating on the Hooter's waitresses to do so*

jag

 

[chaseter]

That picture is gender biased...claiming that women cannot compromise

 

[November Rain]

jag's right on that, cook in bulk and freeze yo ****.