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The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

Discussion in 'The Flash' started by Thread Manager, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. Frodo Registered

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    Which has been my point to the argument that , " No one will know or care about Ezra's behavior when the film comes out".

    That argument places alot of faith that the press will stay silent when such a major film is eventually released.

    I just don't believe that's the case, unless, Ezra's team is able to debunk the most serious allegations before the film's release.
     
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  2. dhandler01 I'm a dick vampire aren't I?!

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    I did too it is why I am annoyed by the faux outrage now.
     
  3. metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    Cynical postulate: the people making the decision inside WB don't think the intended audience for The Flash would actually be bothered by an actor abusing women.
     
  4. Frodo Registered

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    I've seen genuine outrage by some minority groups and activists at the idea of an Afro Latina led project being shelved , Zaslav and WBD certainly didn't do themselves any favors in the aftermath.

    On the other I do think some of the other outrage, in fandom at least, is because of the optics.
    It further affirms the narrative, in fandom, that " WB still doesn't have its ****, together".

    Regardless of the reasoning behind shelving the film , or the quality of the film, etc. optics wise, it still looks bad to shelve your almost finished 90 million dollar film.
    That's even if it pencils out business wise, and even if they feel it's the right call.

    I know the move instilled confidence in alot of fans, but to other fans and the industry press, it instilled the opposite.

    I certainly didn't agree with decision, and their attitude afterwards makes them an easy punching bag, so I feel zero sympathy of Zaslav and WBD in regards to the media coverage, and the backlash they've received over it.

    But's that's how I feel.
     
  5. dhandler01 I'm a dick vampire aren't I?!

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    I can understand why they shelved it...but yeah the optics are terrible and honestly they probably should have used the outpouring of support (for a film most didnt even know was happening) to flip flop and put it out there. It would have been almost critic proof on sheer goodwill alone. I don't agree with it and I was really hoping to watch it even if it wasnt great. The more we learn about how badly AT&T ran WB...the more it is a headscratcher because the writeoff is a drop in the bucket and the bad press is just not worth it.

    Agreed on everything else...I just can't stand much of the mainstream press pretending to be upset about it just for the clicks. It is just so disingenuous.
     
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    WW, Aquaman and Shazam were drama free and reasonably successful. Well at least enough to get sequels.
    When Muschietti was announced as the director I thought ok maybe WB/DC figured something good out, take their horror directors and give them a DC solo film to do. That worked with James Wan on Aquaman and David Sandberg on Shazam.
    But even with someone other than Ezra as Flash the gist of the movie was always gonna be this breaking open the multiverse crossover event. Muschietti would rather do that than the solo Flash movie in development for so long. Just when I thought they were finally giving us DC movies that didn’t involve Superman or Batman. Sigh.
     
  7. antsman41 Unseen Arkham Prisoner

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    Not exactly true... yes, Nolan's trilogy production window wasn't toxic compared to the current DCEU drama; but we still had some.

    HEATH LEDGER, died. Which changed the whole course of the trilogy (for the worse, in my mind). Even put Chris into a depressive state

    Bane's voice debacle - which I think the og IMAX version was better. I hate the loud ADR redux voice.

    No Chicago filming for TDKRises.
     
  8. Frodo Registered

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    Heath Ledger's death was after the production and was tragic of course.
    But that's much different than the drama surrounding the DCEU in the past nine years , so that doesn't count imo.

    The Bane voice debacle was a tempest in a teapot and only really matter to fanboys who were paying attention.

    Yeah, Nolan changed it , but at the end of the day, the voice correction after the IMAX preview isn't even the type of incident that's even discussed today in relation to TDKR .
    This is actually the first I've heard it even brought up in about 10 years.

    I think the fact that the most we can point to is recasting of Dawes and Bane's voice, is a sign that the production of those films was pretty much drama free.

    There's really zero comparison today if we're talking TDK.
    My point still stands.
     
  9. antsman41 Unseen Arkham Prisoner

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    Heath died in January... they literally had to edit around using takes that couldn't be ADR'd, because of that. Nolan had one of the biggest stars in one of the biggest films die. That is hard to deal with and he luckily pulled through.

    It changed the whole initial release strategy. It affected the post-release strategy.

    It affected the third film's timeframe and story.

    Nolan's 8 year reign wasn't peaceful. But, as I stated - it wasn't toxic because he's a professional.

    He's honestly only have had one bad on-paper casting choice w/ Katie (which wasn't even that bad and pushed her on him by WB) in his whole WB run from Insomnia thru Tenet.

    Of course this is all not comparable, but HEATH died. You can't breeze over that and call TDK-Trilogy's production being peaceful. Such disrespect for Ledger and Nolan.
     
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    You're reaching and I really see no point to keep this discussion going.

    The fact that you have to claim I'm disrespecting Nolan and Ledger is a sign you're grasping at straws and offensively so.

    The fact that you'd even think of going there says all I need to know.

    If you want to disagree fine, but if you can't do that without saying something like that , there's no point in even discussing this with you.

    And I won't any further.

    When you're ready to disagree respectfully , I'll talk to you .
     
  11. Milk Tray Guy 70s Man of Action

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    I'd never even considered that.
     
  12. antsman41 Unseen Arkham Prisoner

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    Plus, Nolan barely made it through the editing process... imagine seeing your dead actor (and friend) in/out everyday.

    Chris really took Heath in on that set, as a filmmaker. Heath was just coming into his own - wanting to be more than an actor, there's a beautiful comment about him watching dailies over Chris' shoulder.

    Luckily his and Ledgers' family got him thru it - highlighting that Ledger would want it out and to power though it.

    It's so sad. I couldn't imagine. I try to read Nolan's "letter" to/for Heath every January... it's very powerful.
     
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  13. Milk Tray Guy 70s Man of Action

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    That is indeed a powerful - and insightful - read.
     
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    Not all of the DC movies have been a mess- Aquaman and Shazam and at least the first WW. They had something good going- spin-offs from the Snyderverse that have little to do with it. Instead with or without Ezra this is more of a sequel to JL. Reinventing the wheel was working.
     
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    I’m just so curious as to what the mood is like on this production right now, especially when Miller is physically present.
     
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  18. dhandler01 I'm a dick vampire aren't I?!

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    A lot of this going on...

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  19. Pfeiffer-Pfan Cool Rider

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    Seems like the rumor mill is starting to swirl for Keaton again. Now Ramey is hinting at something. He did the same thing before Keaton's return was announced back in June 2020... Hamada's multiverse plan continues? A Batman Beyond movie?

     
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  20. Pfeiffer-Pfan Cool Rider

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    Who knows... we'll see what happens.

     
  21. Milk Tray Guy 70s Man of Action

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    "Post Batgirl cancellation, many wondered about Michael Keaton’s future in the DCEU & whether his story changes in THE FLASH. We can confirm Keaton’s story remains as originally scripted."

    Let's hope so.
     
  22. dhandler01 I'm a dick vampire aren't I?!

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    So all the bs rumors by second rate clickbaiters were bs? I know I'm shocked...
     
  23. samsnee Ok

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    Well I feel like Ezra did the crime so he should do the time but I hope they put him in a mental facility so he can get help because I can definitely see from videos he is mentally ill and he ain’t made for prison and it would only harm him. But the downside is those places can also make him worse but who knows it might help so I don’t know really. It’s a sad situation.
     

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