The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[kguillou]

I think it really boils down to separating art from the artist. I can mentally dissociate Ezra the person from watching Barry allen onscreen. I get it, sometimes its hard to do that. But I'm not rooting for the movie to fail because of Ezra's actions, I want it to succeed for Muschietti, for Calle for Keaton and for all the other people who clearly put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this, especially Sacha Calle. I want this to be a star turning role for her. Especially after what happened to Leslie Grace last year, it would be great to see a young female minority get a big win in a major Hollywood movie.

I think ultimately this movie failing hurts all those aforementioned people and puts a black mark on the Flash as an IP.

 

[Invader Joker]

I honestly want it to underperform because the way these movies work is that the leading actor always gets a backend of the box office, and I don't want Ezra Miller to have more millions to get away with their ****ty actions more than they already have.

I'm also fine with Muschietti getting hurt a little since I do not want him to direct Brave and the Bold at all, but overall he'll probably be fine because even if he doesn't land that he'll get something else in some other franchise, even if not superhero related.

Calle and Keaton will be fine.

 

[Holy Slapper]

So a couple of new scenes compared to the CinemaCon cut. CGI is noticeable and not good in some scenes.

 

[Snow Queen]

Looking forward to seeing how all the anti-Ezra Miller folks wind up reacting to all future Kang-related projects in the MCU...

It's just the usual tribalism of fandom. Latching onto anything that they can use to drag this film they haven't yet seen. Ezra Miller, dodgy CGI (which has been a huge problem for the MCU), too much fan service/nostalgia (another thing the MCU shoves down our throats), etc.

Jonathan Majors was rightfully dragged on here and anywhere I looked every time any further details came out, with a lot of discussion about how they should dump him. Honestly, this right here comes off as tribalism when you choose to equate complaints about Miller with bad visuals and insist Marvel does it too (which they do). Complaints about abusers aren't hypocritical hive minds designed to take down certain comic book movies. Sometimes it's just about having knowledge of abuse. A lot of abusive behaviour slips under the radar, manages to get buried. Miller managed to keep it in the public eye for an extended period of time, at least for the online crowd, which is why you get significant backlash in those circles. I hope to see the same energy continue with Majors, who too should be dropped immediately.

 

[kguillou]

So a couple of new scenes compared to the CinemaCon cut. CGI is noticeable and not good in some scenes.

I've been seeing a recurring mention in a lot of reviews that this movie is a "love letter to all of DC." That part gets me HYPED.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm also very excited for the movie, but the discourse around this film has just been annoying and exhausting, as is the case with most film discourse lately.

Looking forward to seeing how all the anti-Ezra Miller folks wind up reacting to all future Kang-related projects in the MCU...

It's just the usual tribalism of fandom. Latching onto anything that they can use to drag this film they haven't yet seen. Ezra Miller, dodgy CGI (which has been a huge problem for the MCU), too much fan service/nostalgia (another thing the MCU shoves down our throats), etc.

Oh there is tribalism at work here. It's just not the one you think.

I'm sorry you're exhausted that a person attacked and abused mutiple people, including children, but people talking about it got in the way of your reading of online discourse, no one is forcing you to read.

Who are these imagery figures you've conjured up that dislike only Miller's abuse, but not Majors?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think it really boils down to separating art from the artist. I can mentally dissociate Ezra the person from watching Barry allen onscreen. I get it, sometimes its hard to do that. But I'm not rooting for the movie to fail because of Ezra's actions, I want it to succeed for Muschietti, for Calle for Keaton and for all the other people who clearly put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this, especially Sacha Calle. I want this to be a star turning role for her. Especially after what happened to Leslie Grace last year, it would be great to see a young female minority get a big win in a major Hollywood movie.

I think ultimately this movie failing hurts all those aforementioned people and puts a black mark on the Flash as an IP.

70 something Michael Keaton, after decades in Hollywood and the revival of his most beloved character alongside one of the hottest stars in all of Hollywood right now, is going to be hurt by The Flash failing, how? Andy Muschietti is the guy defending Miller, wanting them for a sequel.

 

[kguillou]

Eh I think Muschietti’s comments are just PR spin IMO, no ones gonna say anything bad about them until after the movie does its business at the box office. In fact im sure the studio instructed everyone involved exactly how to respond to Ezra related press questions.

I will gladly eat crow if im wrong but i dont think anyone, Muschietti included, has any intention of working with Ezra again.

 

[dhandler01]

I've been seeing a recurring mention in a lot of reviews that this movie is a "love letter to all of DC." That part gets me HYPED.

It is. I wont elaborate more to avoid spoilers.

 

[dhandler01]

Eh I think Muschietti’s comments are just PR spin IMO, no ones gonna say anything bad about them until after the movie does its business at the box office. In fact im sure the studio instructed everyone involved exactly how to respond to Ezra related press questions.

I will gladly eat crow if im wrong but i dont think anyone, Muschietti included, has any intention of working with Ezra again.

AM might work with Ezra again but not in a DC film.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

In fact im sure the studio instructed everyone involved exactly how to respond to Ezra related press questions.

100% certainty.

 

[Dr.]

In the PR world of damage control, I think it helps (at least to some degree) if the sins in question can be cast in terms of disease: mental illness and substance abuse. It also helps if the sinner expresses contrition and is working at restitution and rehabilitation. And this is, allegedly, what Miller is doing. But might this just be WB spin to salvage The Flash’s box office? Sure. In reality, perhaps Miller hasn’t changed, is unredeemable. Perhaps, a pet cemetery for tortured puppies will be discovered in Miller’s backyard tomorrow. In which case, so much for spin. In the meantime, I guess folks have to decide between paying for a $15 ticket (thus, “supporting” the movie — if not its star) and a personal boycott.

 

[Ninjablade]

Eh I think Muschietti’s comments are just PR spin IMO, no ones gonna say anything bad about them until after the movie does its business at the box office. In fact im sure the studio instructed everyone involved exactly how to respond to Ezra related press questions.

I will gladly eat crow if im wrong but i dont think anyone, Muschietti included, has any intention of working with Ezra again.

Except speaking on the matter only makes all of them look bad. No one has to comment on the situation at all, let alone hype up future projects. Deal with one movie at a time. When you have the production designer saying "Miller is so good people will forget about all the criminal behavior" you're basically admitting that everyone of importance has a mindset that no one cares about what Miller did.

 

[kguillou]

Anyway…we’re less than two hours from reviews dropping on RT. This part is always incredibly nerve wracking for DC fans

 

[TMP98]

I honestly want it to underperform because the way these movies work is that the leading actor always gets a backend of the box office, and I don't want Ezra Miller to have more millions to get away with their ****ty actions more than they already have.

I'm also fine with Muschietti getting hurt a little since I do not want him to direct Brave and the Bold at all, but overall he'll probably be fine because even if he doesn't land that he'll get something else in some other franchise, even if not superhero related.

Calle and Keaton will be fine.

idk why you're this concerned about BATB considering it was literally greenlit to help flesh out a cinematic universe, not because a director had a vision they wanted to execute. It was always gonna be a director-for-hire job

 

[Invader Joker]

idk why you're this concerned about BATB considering it was literally greenlit to help flesh out a cinematic universe, not because a director had a vision they wanted to execute. It was always gonna be a director-for-hire job

If Gunn wants a puppet, even then, there are better puppets out there than the dude that had 18 months of post-production and can't even make the most basic of CGI sequences look decent, and that has continously demostrated to have the worst visual sensibilities when it comes to a CBM.

 

[Predator jp]

no matter what Muschietti says, we all know for sure this will be the first and last Flash movie starring Ezra.

 

[TheGDBatman]

I honestly want it to underperform because the way these movies work is that the leading actor always gets a backend of the box office, and I don't want Ezra Miller to have more millions to get away with their ****ty actions more than they already have.

I'm also fine with Muschietti getting hurt a little since I do not want him to direct Brave and the Bold at all, but overall he'll probably be fine because even if he doesn't land that he'll get something else in some other franchise, even if not superhero related.

Calle and Keaton will be fine.

Eh, I don't agree with this. I'd rather Muschietti & Co succeed in spite of the hurdles that Ezra's actions have placed in front of them. I feel like it's more important to wish success upon everyone else, instead of wishing ill of Miller at the expense of others.

As for TBATB, I'll reserve judgment on AM as the director until I see The Flash. Seems premature to make a call until I see how he handles some DC content (outside of trailers).

 

[TMP98]

If Gunn wants a puppet, even then, there are better puppets out there than the dude that had 18 months of post-production and can't even make the most basic of CGI sequences look decent, and that has continously demostrated to have the worst visual sensibilities when it comes to a CBM.

Would you be down with Jon Watts doing it?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Eh, I don't agree with this. I'd rather Muschietti & Co succeed in spite of the hurdles that Ezra's actions have placed in front of them. I feel like it's more important to wish success upon everyone else, instead of wishing ill of Miller at the expense of others.

As for TBATB, I'll reserve judgment on AM as the director until I see The Flash. Seems premature to make a call until I see how he handles some DC content (outside of trailers).

This.

 

[chintai80]

i'm liking what i see of affleck in that short clip of him conversing with barry.

you know what it feels like to me?
it feels like a serious version of adam west's bruce wayne there and i think that's perfect.

you can imagine this batman interacting and trying to guide robin, like he's doing with the flash here.

 

[dhandler01]

This thread has gone off the trails...and not in a good way.

 

[Detective Conan]

THE EMBARGO HAS LIFTED:

Rotten Tomatoes Thread

 

[flickchick85]

Jonathan Majors was rightfully dragged on here and anywhere I looked every time any further details came out, with a lot of discussion about how they should dump him. Honestly, this right here comes off as tribalism when you choose to equate complaints about Miller with bad visuals and insist Marvel does it too (which they do). Complaints about abusers aren't hypocritical hive minds designed to take down certain comic book movies. Sometimes it's just about having knowledge of abuse. A lot of abusive behaviour slips under the radar, manages to get buried. Miller managed to keep it in the public eye for an extended period of time, at least for the online crowd, which is why you get significant backlash in those circles. I hope to see the same energy continue with Majors, who too should be dropped immediately.

Louder for the people in the back.

If keeping Miller’s crimes and WB’s shameful attempts to sweep them under the rug and absolve themselves of willingly employing and supporting a violent predator at the forefront of the conversation is “off the rails” then this thread should never be “on the rails” again, as far as I’m concerned.

NOT talking about it and pretending the financial success of this movie wouldn’t directly validate their decision and persuade them to keep employing said violent predator is exactly what they’re hoping to achieve with all this spin, make no mistake.

 

[The Shape]

THE EMBARGO HAS LIFTED:

Rotten Tomatoes Thread

Let the madness ensue.