The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[Aurakles]

Have you seen Game Night?

Yeah, it was a decent comedy, but I'd rather The Flash wasn't a comedy.

 

[psylockolussus]

With the success of Aquaman, I really hope Wb can release this in 2020. I can't believe we are getting Shazam, Joker and Birds of Prey before this. Shazam, I don't mind. But the other two just seem to be coming out of nowhere, especially I expected solo films for the characters that were in the Justice League movie.

 

[Tg11]

I was thinking about this and what if the Black Hole organization was the villain for the Flash solo movie. Personally I think this would be a great choice. It is an organization with a lot of power and a lot of numbers to fight against the Flash. Plus due to their connections to experimenting with the speed force, we could easily see a retcon. I mean with a device of theirs it could alter the speed force in a way that gives Barry the comic book yellow lightning that is a staple from the comics. It could also lead into more speedsters, such as Iris' nephew that was shown occasionally throughout the movie that ends up getting struck by lightning in a mid/post-credit scene. What do you all think? Personally I think this is a good way to tie in STAR Labs, CCPD, and The Flash all within one amazing story. Especially since the writers are going for a more grounded movie.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I was thinking about this and what if the Black Hole organization was the villain for the Flash solo movie. Personally I think this would be a great choice. It is an organization with a lot of power and a lot of numbers to fight against the Flash. Plus due to their connections to experimenting with the speed force, we could easily see a retcon. I mean with a device of theirs it could alter the speed force in a way that gives Barry the comic book yellow lightning that is a staple from the comics. It could also lead into more speedsters, such as Iris' nephew that was shown occasionally throughout the movie that ends up getting struck by lightning in a mid/post-credit scene. What do you all think? Personally I think this is a good way to tie in STAR Labs, CCPD, and The Flash all within one amazing story. Especially since the writers are going for a more grounded movie.

TG, you know I love you bro, but NO. You can say I'm closed-minded, but there's pretty much three options for a Flash movie in my mind. Gorilla Grodd, Reverse Flash, or The Rogues. I'm tired of DC movies saving the big name villains (that people actually want to see) for sequels that may not even happen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

With the success of Aquaman, I really hope Wb can release this in 2020. I can't believe we are getting Shazam, Joker and Birds of Prey before this. Shazam, I don't mind. But the other two just seem to be coming out of nowhere, especially I expected solo films for the characters that were in the Justice League movie.

Joker maybe is coming out of nowhere, but at least the Joker is a popular character. BoP is hardly coming from nowhere. It is a vehicle for Harley Quinn effectively, who was the breakout star of Suicide Squad (which I think we forget, made money...despite being awful). So banking off someone who became a popular character in that movie is hardly surprising. Flash on the other hand, they just don't seem to know what to do with.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Joker maybe is coming out of nowhere, but at least the Joker is a popular character. BoP is hardly coming from nowhere. It is a vehicle for Harley Quinn effectively, who was the breakout star of Suicide Squad (which I think we forget, made money...despite being awful). So banking off someone who became a popular character in that movie is hardly surprising. Flash on the other hand, they just don't seem to know what to do with.

But Harley isn't a Bird of Prey, so I find it a little out of nowhere. It would have made more sense for them to do either a solo movie, keep her in a starring role for SS2, or do a Joker/Harley movie. Instead of sticking her into a comic book team that she has no real association with.

I feel like DC has said they're doing all of the above at some point, but DC doesn't know what the **** they're doing, so who knows what's actually happening anymore.

 

[Vlyse]

It's just baffling now Flash still doesn't have his own movie. Meanwhile challenging properties like WW/Aquaman came out to wide acclaim and success, even a particularly out-there property like GL got a chance.

IMO After Superman, Batman, and Shazam ....The Flash is the most easily marketed, bankable, or relatable character, etc. left in the DC roster. Yet here we are.

 

[Greenlite]

But Harley isn't a Bird of Prey, so I find it a little out of nowhere. It would have made more sense for them to do either a solo movie, keep her in a starring role for SS2, or do a Joker/Harley movie. Instead of sticking her into a comic book team that she has no real association with.

I feel like DC has said they're doing all of the above at some point, but DC doesn't know what the **** they're doing, so who knows what's actually happening anymore.

It's a Harley movie (check that title lol)

BOP is just riding on Margot's vehicle, because she wants some girl friends (and the first all girl superhero team up movie=$$$$)

It's just baffling now Flash still doesn't have his own movie. Meanwhile challenging properties like WW/Aquaman came out to wide acclaim and success, even a particularly out-there property like GL got a chance.

IMO After Superman, Batman, and Shazam ....The Flash is the most easily marketed, bankable, or relatable character, etc. left in the DC roster. Yet here we are.

The TV show doesn't help, they probably think we have a stable show why do we need another movie? Plus the cost.

But AM is crushing it with 200M...so no excuse to do Flash for 250+

I hope AM formula shows the way and boost Hamada and WB's confidence to green light this thing.

They should seriously consider putting Ray Fisher in this, it's already set up from JL, they had a previous buddy script, and Cyborg gives Flash a chance to go to interesting places I guess which is one of the reason why AM sold so well, gives WB a chance to spin off Cyborg....

I am just throwing reasons out there for WB to actually make Flash happen lol

 

[psylockolussus]

The reason why I said Birds of Prey and Joker are coming out of nowhere is if we just watch these dc films and don't really follow the news, would you really expect a Joker film and it doesn't the feature the actor that played the character in SS? Then Birds of Prey... I would expect a sequel to Ss, not Birds of Prey featuring Harley Quinn. There's basically no build up to these two films.

Then with the success of Wonder Woman and now Aquaman,those should motivate Wb even more to fasttrack and focus on the Flash movie especially all three characters were in a movie together just last year and these solo movies should lead up to another jl movie in the future. I'm not really clamoring for another Superman and Batman solo movie as we already had that those in the past, though I'm not saying they should just abandon them. And yes, the Cw show doesn't help as stated above.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It's actually super weird that we're getting a Harley Quinn movie and a Joker movie back to back, but they're not connected at all

 

[I Am The Knight]

Don't worry, there's a Harley / Letoker film in the works...

 

[Rorschach2012]

They're in such a tricky situation with Joker. The Joaquin movie will probably be great, but it really complicates things. Will we ever see DCEU Joker again? Will he be recast? Will Joaquin's Joker be the DCEU Joker? Who knows...

 

[Greenlite]

They're in such a tricky situation with Joker. The Joaquin movie will probably be great, but it really complicates things. Will we ever see DCEU Joker again? Will he be recast? Will Joaquin's Joker be the DCEU Joker? Who knows...

IMO Mainstream will not care who's playing the Joker, they even thought Batman Begins was Batman 5 or Keaton prequels....

I can see WB throwing $$$ at Joaquin if the movie is great and Joker doesn't die in that movie...but he'll probably pass, but if Reeves has something great in store who knows.....but even if we don't have Joaquin for Reeves' movies, I'm sure he'll get a good actor for his Joker....Andy Serkis....Toby Kebell who played Koba in Dawn of Apes....the tricky part would be the Harley franchise though, they'd probably just go with the "Harley doesn't need the Joker" angle and not show him physically....or get Reeves' Joker.....

 

[Greenlite]

'Aquaman' Surfs Box Office Tidal Wave To $800+ Million Into New Year (Mark Hughes)

This newfound blending of the previous DCEU plans and concepts with a more crowd-pleasing family-friendly style is obviously delivering big dividends Warner won't likely ignore, so while certain key plans for establishing entirely new standalone corners of DC cinema will continue, there's a good chance some version of the current DCEU will indeed remain in play for at least perhaps five more years.

It's very possible Warner might decide after that point to let these particular franchises go into some sort of rebooting, while the other new versions of DC characters are merged to form the basis for a new rebooted DCEU, but there's also an increasing chance the studio could decide to merge these popular existing franchises -- specifically Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Shazam!, and the Harley Quinn character's Birds of Prey spinoff(s), and maybe one or two others depending on how things develop in the coming months -- with the rebooted, semi-rebooted, and entirely new films like The Batman, Suicide Squad 2 (if the plans for a sequel unrelated to the first film remain in play), Supergirl, Batgirl, and others. However, fans reading this shouldn't misinterpret this as implying Henry Cavill's Superman or Ben Affleck's Batman are reentering the DCEU's future, as those ships seem to have sailed and there's no sign of any dramatic reversal of fortunes in those regards. This doesn't mean a reversal can't happen, but it's unlikely at this point.

I have a very strong feeling the red part is about the Flash.....hopefully AM and WW before would have given WB the confidence to do it....cast that were in BvS and JL can spin off fine...as long as you have good directors with freedom to do their things....

It looked awfully like they were shelving Flash before AM came out though.........

Very interested in who's the other character he's referring to....I can only think of Cyborg....Black Panther made a billion and Miles is getting better recognition every year esp after the spider-verse movie....and Vic's popular with the Teen Titans and he can go to interesting places...and Ray is still hanging out with Jason to let WB know he's still around and doing good PR for them...

 

[Aurakles]

I think since BVS WB have been keen to get a Flash movie out, but they have had trouble working with the creative teams. The problem doesn't seem to be that the studio isn't behind a Flash film, but that they can't hold onto a director for it.

 

[DrCosmic]

I suspect with all the weird pitches that the studio being behind it includes some strange requirement or expectation that no one who gets into the character can work with.

I suspect the "one or two more" is Flash and Green Lantern. Cyborg isn't Black Panther, and I don't think you'll find a studio exec, much less a director, who doesn't know why.

I also would want Grodd or the Rogues, saving Reverse Flash for a sequel. There are others I would accept, like Dr. Alchemy, The Shade, Abra Cadabra, maybe a few others, but with a Rogues Gallery as rich as Flash's, it really would be a bit sad for them not to take advantage of it, especially since that's one of the only ways to distinguish themselves from the TV show.

 

[Greenlite]

They had Lord and Miller's script, what a shame, they wrote Spiderverse and look how that turned out

Then they had Rick writing the bi cultural script with Ray in it, would have been....dope.

 

[Frodo]

I think leaving Cyborg out is a good idea actually . The first Flash film should really be a Flash film not a Flash and Cyborg team up film imo.

I think the Flash film should be a soft reboot/origin film ala WW and Aquaman beginning with Barry's mother's killing , Henry and Barry's relationship, Barry meeting Iris, Barry becoming Flash , and facing off against Reverse Flash as the sole villain.

I wouldn't save RF for a sequel. I think they should put their strongest foot forward in the first film and a villain as compelling and at important to his origin shouldn't be left off the canvas for a first film imo, especially if you're introducing Flash's origin story to the larger, non fanboy filmgoing GA who aren't as familiar with Flash's story as they are with Superman , Batman and Spiderman.

I think the Rogues could be saved for the sequel once you have an establish Flash. I think less is more in the case of the first Flash solo film and one villain , i.e. Reverse Flash makes more sense if you're doing Barry's origin and trying to get those in the GA who don't watch the TV show or know very little about the character .

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I think less is more in the case of the first Flash solo film and one villain , i.e. Reverse Flash makes more sense if you're doing Barry's origin and trying to get those in the GA who don't watch the TV show or know very little about the character .

I agree. There's so much potential with Reverse Flash and how he can **** with Barry's life. I honestly think that to do him justice for a first movie appearance the plot should be kept to just Flash and RF. Let audiences really see what their connection is and truly understand why and how RF casts such a shadow over Barry's life.

 

[Greenlite]

I think leaving Cyborg out is a good idea actually . The first Flash film should really be a Flash film not a Flash and Cyborg team up film imo.

I think the Flash film should be a soft reboot/origin film ala WW and Aquaman beginning with Barry's mother's killing , Henry and Barry's relationship, Barry meeting Iris, Barry becoming Flash , and facing off against Reverse Flash as the sole villain.

I wouldn't save RF for a sequel. I think they should put their strongest foot forward in the first film and a villain as compelling and at important to his origin shouldn't be left off the canvas for a first film imo, especially if you're introducing Flash's origin story to the larger, non fanboy filmgoing GA who aren't as familiar with Flash's story as they are with Superman , Batman and Spiderman.

I think the Rogues could be saved for the sequel once you have an establish Flash. I think less is more in the case of the first Flash solo film and one villain , i.e. Reverse Flash makes more sense if you're doing Barry's origin and trying to get those in the GA who don't watch the TV show or know very little about the character .

They did set that up in JL, Henry is in jail so RF exists already

Wonder if we will see Dr Wells lol

Sequel is not a sure thing so I agree with going all out with the first one

 

[Aurakles]

I don't want the Reverse Flash, primarily because I hate the post Final Crisis origin. Barry Allen had my favourite superhero origin story before they brought him back.

 

[Flash525]

I'm not sure about introducing Thawne into the opening film here. Yes, he's central to Barry's story and such, but I'd much rather them leave him until a sequel, or at the very least, introduce him without actually introducing him. Launch the film with Barry's mom being murdered, and show the Reverse Flash (along with a future Barry Allen fighting him) but it'll all be blurred out and what not so we don't actually see either of them.

Then, at the end of the film, maybe post credits, have a blurred yellow suited character emerge from the shadows. It leaves his arc open, whilst introducing to the audience that there is a character here that's going to be expanded on and explored in the future (unlike the Injustice League).

• First Film; Rogues
• Second Film; Grodd and Thawne (Thawne more the Black Manta role here - in the sense that he gets more screen time, but isn't the primary villain)
• Third Film; Thawne (and the Rogues, which later assist Barry; the Rogues typically aren't evil, they've got a code, and them, along with Barry have some form of mutual respect)

 

[-Arya-]

Anyone know if Flashpoint is officially off the table and whether or not WB will be doing a regular Flash solo? Any news from the directors on what direction they are taking it?

 

[Greenlite]

I'm not sure about introducing Thawne into the opening film here. Yes, he's central to Barry's story and such, but I'd much rather them leave him until a sequel, or at the very least, introduce him without actually introducing him. Launch the film with Barry's mom being murdered, and show the Reverse Flash (along with a future Barry Allen fighting him) but it'll all be blurred out and what not so we don't actually see either of them.

Then, at the end of the film, maybe post credits, have a blurred yellow suited character emerge from the shadows. It leaves his arc open, whilst introducing to the audience that there is a character here that's going to be expanded on and explored in the future (unlike the Injustice League).

• First Film; Rogues
• Second Film; Grodd and Thawne (Thawne more the Black Manta role here - in the sense that he gets more screen time, but isn't the primary villain)
• Third Film; Thawne (and the Rogues, which later assist Barry; the Rogues typically aren't evil, they've got a code, and them, along with Barry have some form of mutual respect)

I think the issue here is the business side of things, if they can't even get the first one off the ground, they might not be thinking about sequels at this stage. Like, they might be taking that "one game at a time approach"

Otherwise that looks like a good plan

Anyone know if Flashpoint is officially off the table and whether or not WB will be doing a regular Flash solo? Any news from the directors on what direction they are taking it?

The last news was the directing duo is still attached, and film's delayed.

They did pass on Remeckis though, remember how he was interested but had to wait till after the Steve Carrel movie last month, WB either didn't want to wait, or didn't want a massive time travel movie.

 

[Flash525]

I think the issue here is the business side of things, if they can't even get the first one off the ground, they might not be thinking about sequels at this stage. Like, they might be taking that "one game at a time approach".

The thing here is though, they're never going to be able to wrap Thawne up in one movie. If he's introduced in the first film, his plans may be halted, and he may fail in whatever mission he's on, but he's not going to be defeated. Barry is still going to be a novice (somewhat) at this stage, and nowhere near being able to take on someone as calculated and skilled as Thawne, so whatever happens, the ending will have to be left open for his return - which if they do only manage the one film, will be even more annoying than that [going nowhere] Injustice League teaser at the end of JL.

If Thawne is introduced slowly, then there's a reason to look forward to the sequel other than there just being a sequel. My thoughts anyway.