The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[Web-Head]

I'm pretty sure Ezra is out regardless. We'll have a new Flash in a potential sequel, reboot, whatever coming ASAP

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

The Flash Fate Up in the Air as Ezra Miller Problem Worsens for Warners – The Hollywood Reporter

Ranking those three options from 'most likely' to 'least likely', I say

Option 2
Option 1
Option 3 (although realistically I don't see this one happening)

 

[dhandler01]

Is there any chance they can swap Batgirl and use The Flash as the tax write off instead lol? It’s so crazy to me that they dumped Batgirl which featured an entire cast and crew of passionate people that had NO controversy surrounding them, but were still going full steam ahead with this mess.

Like they could have made out scott free releasing Batgirl. But they definitely have some huge decisions to make regarding this movie and I don’t envy their position. If they cancel this movie surely they have to uncancel batgirl though right? Like they cannot possibly just delete all of Michael Keaton’s “return” performances, that would be so insane and one of the biggest missed opportunities of all time

No. I explained previously but that would be financial suicide. Even though Batgirl would likely be more profitable (how much would depend on how extensive the reshoots were but it sounds like it would be extensive because it tested badly and it was originally a streaming film so it needs major upgrades) if they released in theaters, it wouldnt be enough to offset what would be hundreds of millions in losses from The Flash. It just doesn't work that way.

 

[dhandler01]

When we're talking about the child grooming allegations , I don't think so.
Depp was never accused of that .

There won't be a " poor Ezra" narrative , and the press certainly won't buy it.
So that ain't happening.
The only way WB can even attempt spin a " Poor Ezra" narrative is if they prove the allegations are false.

Michael Jackson was literally sued for raping children. I still see Thriller at every record store I go to even today. No one seems to be banning R. Kelly Albums from being purchased. How many films has Woody Allen made since he was first accused of molesting his own kids? (not to mention marrying his adopted daughter)

And FWIW Ezra hasn't been convicted or even charged with child grooming as far as I know. Not saying he didn't do it (good god I hope he didnt) but I think you are putting the cart before the horse a bit.

There won't be a "poor Ezra" narrative" that is for damned sure. The guy is a toxic sludge mess. The Flash will be his last film for at least a decade. (I never count anyone out people stop caring about everything sooner or later) There would have been a time early on he could have gotten the narrative shifted but we are long past that now. (unless the vast majority of the stories are untrue, which I highly doubt) The piling on at this point, the daily articles keeping it in the news means this will never truly go away even if they seek help and go on a 5 year apology tour. And if he is a groomer there is no help for that anyways. WB can only push forward and let the story play out/end. Option 2 is really the only logical choice even if Ezra gets all the help. They need to be nowhere near the film when it is released.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Audiences are willing to look past a great number of things if they like the end product. Tom Cruise just had the highest-grossing film of his career after all.

 

[Prison Mike]

Audiences are willing to look past a great number of things if they like the end product. Tom Cruise just had the highest-grossing film of his career after all.

Good point. Honestly, I don’t know how much of the general audience knows of this story. And if they do know it, how many will remember it a year from now. Of those who will remember it, how many will not see it just because of this Ezra story?

 

[Frodo]

ichael Jackson was literally sued for raping children. I still see Thriller at every record store I go to even today. No one seems to be banning R. Kelly Albums from being purchased. How many films has Woody Allen made since he was first accused of molesting his own kids? (not to mention marrying his adopted daughter)

MJ went on trial , and his career was never the same , basically until he died.
Even after he died , allegations came out against him and tainted his image again.
R Kelly is reviled as Singer .
Woody Allen has made films but he's pretty much pushed in the corner.

If your point is that all 3 of them still have fans, that's not debatable .
There are alot of people in fandom who would look past the allegations because they want to see the film anyway.

Though the reality is, fair or not, none of the 3 of them career's have been the same after their allegations.

Ezra Miller isn't in anywhere near the same league the same league of popularity ,and being beloved, as the 3 you mentioned.

So if those 3 can suffer , what do think will happen with Ezra?

And FWIW Ezra hasn't been convicted or even charged with child grooming as far as I know. Not saying he didn't do it (good god I hope he didnt) but I think you are putting the cart before the horse a bit.

Not really putting the cart before the horse.
The horse is out of the barn and running along the country side.
The issue is on the table, fair or not and the issue is going to a court , though their still trying to serve as Ezra.

If you think we should withhold judgment until then , that's your opinion .
I believe the parents of the minors.

Even putting that aside , this is gonna be hashed out in the court of public opinion , which WB clearly cares very much about , otherwise Ezra's issues wouldn't matter to them.

WB saying " They haven't been tried or convicted for child grooming allegations" ain't gonna be the PR strongest argument .
That's an argument for their attorney and representatives, and it's clearly not an argument WB wants to have .

Now, if they say , " We think they're innocent and we stand by them", that's a different story.

There won't be a "poor Ezra" narrative" that is for damned sure. The guy is a toxic sludge mess. The Flash will be his last film for at least a decade. (I never count anyone out people stop caring about everything sooner or later) There would have been a time early on he could have gotten the narrative shifted but we are long past that now. (unless the vast majority of the stories are untrue, which I highly doubt) The piling on at this point, the daily articles keeping it in the news means this will never truly go away even if they seek help and go on a 5 year apology tour. And if he is a groomer there is no help for that anyways. WB can only push forward and let the story play out/end. Option 2 is really the only logical choice even if Ezra gets all the help. They need to be nowhere near the film when it is released.

If that's how you feel , that's how you feel.
WB clearly has put the option of scrapping it on the table, wise or not.

 

[Frodo]

Good point. Honestly, I don’t know how much of the general audience knows of this story. And if they do know it, how many will remember it a year from now. Of those who will remember it, how many will not see it just because of this Ezra story?

Oh, it's gonna come out again once the film is released and the GA will find out about it.
The press isn't gonna do WB a solid and keep under wraps.
No need to worry, people will hear about it if WB does option 1 or 2.

 

[Detective Conan]

This account provides info on test screenings and the details they’ve given about screenings have been backed up by other scoopers. If true, then holy crap.

 

[Prison Mike]

This account provides info on test screenings and the details they’ve given about screenings have been backed up by other scoopers. If true, then holy crap.

Oh that’s interesting!

 

[emc5466]

That account also said Zaslav is worried because Aquaman 2 is testing poorly. If true then they could be adding even more Batfleck to turn it into a glorified Justice League sequel just like the third Captain America film was essentially an Avengers movie.

 

[Frodo]

Another day at WB.

 

[Iceman]

That account also said Zaslav is worried because Aquaman 2 is testing poorly. If true then they could be adding even more Batfleck to turn it into a glorified Justice League sequel just like the second Captain America film was essentially an Avengers movie.

He’s puts all his chips on a few big guns and is in big trouble if they don’t hit.

 

[antsman41]

 

[Silver Surfer]

WBD is like one big comedy of errors. Geez.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

There's no good way out of this for Warner; all they can hope for is the 'least bad'.

 

[king666]

I kinda wish they would just reshoot this thing with someone else. This is supposedly testing well with audiences... It's not everyday that you stumble upon a good DCEU movie.

I think WB should take the L.

 

[dhandler01]

If that's how you feel , that's how you feel.
WB clearly has put the option of scrapping it on the table, wise or not.

I will leave the rest of the post alone cause ain't worth delving into. You have your opinion I have mine and neither is wrong or right at this point.

And option 3 may be on the table but that is most likely the nuclear option. They won't cancel unless they absolutely have to and right now they don't. If some of the awful stuff gets substantiated and he gets charged...then I think they do it. Right now smart money says no.

 

[dhandler01]

This account provides info on test screenings and the details they’ve given about screenings have been backed up by other scoopers. If true, then holy crap.

Interesting. I wonder if they mean cancel cause shelving usually means it might have a future. If they mean cancel then...wow that is ballsy for board members.

If true obviously...

 

[dhandler01]

I kinda wish they would just reshoot this thing with someone else. This is supposedly testing well with audiences... It's not everyday that you stumble upon a good DCEU movie.

I think WB should take the L.

While in theory that is a good idea you are taking about scraping a $200 million film and shooting another $200 million film. There is almost no chance that won't end badly especially financially.

As Milk Tray Guy said, at this point it's about whatever is the least bad option. That will different for us than it will be for them but I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.

 

[Iceman]

Ha, that door 1 doesn’t exist for them.

 

[Maze]

 

[I'm Batman.]

This movie costs far too much to scrap, all the problems over the years ballooned it to $300 million.

Unless there are bodies close to release, it's going to be option 2.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

This movie costs far too much to scrap, all the problems over the years ballooned it to $300 million.

Unless there are bodies close to release, it's going to be option 2.

Absolutely agree.

 

[emc5466]

What a mess.