The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[Frodo]

Especially because now we know that multiple Batmen is a potential turn off for the audience...

There's going to be a lot of head scratching and analysis at WB over The Flash bombing. It's the kind of thing that could see them once again course correcting in lieu of a massive failure.

I actually don't think there's gonna be alot of head scratching at WB in all honesty.
I tend to think there were people inside the studio weren't as confident as the new management was.

Zaslav may have gotten high off his own supply , and certainly alot of the geek pundits bought into the hype of this being " A great film!" that general audiences would love.

Even then though, I think alot of the talk from the studio was bluster on behalf of WBD which, was desperate to turn a profit from this thing.

 

[Iceman]

Especially because now we know that multiple Batmen is a potential turn off for the audience...

There's going to be a lot of head scratching and analysis at WB over The Flash bombing. It's the kind of thing that could see them once again course correcting in lieu of a massive failure.

Just not doing a Flash sequel should be enough course correction from this as the incoming DCU is the main universe course correction (as they wind down the films that were already in progress before they started planning it).

 

[Spoonman]

Yep. Not to set up anything (the audience is hardly new to the concept of sequel setups that never happen) but because that's what serves THIS story best.

Back in the day? Definitely, but nowadays (and specially in this genere of film) I think audiences are more primed to expect that kind of stuff to pay off.

Spoiler: My opinion on the ending

I do agree the originally planned ending was more feel good, but ironically I think the actual ending with Clooney is more thematically consistent with the messaging in the movie (how fragile timelines really are, butterfly effect etc).

Moving the cans of tomato to the upper shelf causing the pull of Keaton and SG to the main DCEU seems a bit more convenient and tidy (but admittedly, a more traditional and valid happy ending). But yeah, we know that the real world reason they changed that was because they don't want the regular Joe assume they will see Keaton and SG in more movies (that was the plan of the previous DC boss, but not Gunn's)

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I see the new narrative/hate train is coming along nicely on twitter.

 

[DyeLorean]

I couldn't see it the day it opened and one day later spoilers are everywhere. You know what, f*** this movie, f*** the internet, f*** the industry. I'm tired.

 

[Karelia]

All those certain youtubers who literally hate everything Marvel/DC does now are getting their clicks in this weekend with The Flash. Kinda sad. Ah well. I was hoping this would be great, it was just very average to me, putting that generously.

 

[Frodo]

The film was so overly hyped , that when it didn't live up to the expectations, there was gonna be a dogpile effect.

 

[samsnee]

The film was so overly hyped , that when it didn't live up to the expectations, there was gonna be a dogpile effect.

Yeap. I understood they were in a tough position. They had to hype Gunn’s slate while not completely saying don’t even bother watching the rest of the DCEU movies coming out. But they really hyped Flash more than any other DC movie so when it doesn’t deliver, they are right to get roasted for it.

 

[Another_Fool]

Going multiverse in a character's first outing is a turnoff.

I agree with everything else however I think Miles and EEAAO proves multiverse concepts can work with characters the audience is unfamiliar with. I just don't think Ezra's version of Flash was popular with the GA for them to care. Also I think all that pre-hype had a hand in a sub-par response.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Man, I really hope your whole post there is a joke and not a spoiler for a genuine cameo.

 

[inomilan]

It was alright, I enjoyed it. Not one of the greatest CBMs ever, but not every CBM has to be that. I guess the slight disappointment I had was that it was overhyped, and i overhyped it to my co-workers as well lol. But still, I enjoyed it and that's all that matters.

 

[TheFuture]

Btw, did you see that male/female attendance breakdown on Flash??? Appalling. This movie was outright rejected by women and girls, to a comical degree. No appealing lead, no love interest, 1 main female character who enters the picture more than an hour in and barely gets 10 lines of dialogue? Yeah, it was doomed. My mom loves superhero movies, but every time we saw the trailer for this, her reaction was always the same: "that looks weird." That was how I knew.

On the no love interest effecting the female audience not attending, is that really a major issue in whether a film appeals now? It seems awfully reductive to me.

I've always said a good film should be able to rise above such things. No love interest was the least of my problems with this film.

For me personally the biggest issue is Ezra taking on a dual role so I'd agree with your no appealing lead argument to a point, and as that decision was made so long ago there was no way to make lemonade out of this in reshoots. It will go down as one of those all time "why?" decisions in film for me. And I say that without any judgement on their personal issues, that has nothing to do with it for me.

Edited for pronouns

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I agree with everything else however I think Miles and EEAAO proves multiverse concepts can work with characters the audience is unfamiliar with. I just don't think Ezra's version of Flash was popular with the GA for them to care. Also I think all that pre-hype had a hand in a sub-par response.

Although keep in mind that Spider-Man and Dr. Strange did it first, which was a significant advantage. The further down the line you go, the less audiences see it as a fun concept and the more they see it as an unoriginal ripoff.

 

[Another_Fool]

Although keep in mind that Spider-Man and Dr. Strange did it first, which was a significant advantage. The further down the line you go, the less audiences see it as a fun concept and the more they see it as an unoriginal ripoff.

What's funny too is I think Flash was in development with the Flashpoint angle earlier than No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness right? It just was stuck in production forever.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

What's funny too is I think Flash was in development with the Flashpoint angle earlier than No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness right? It just was stuck in production forever.

Yep. But WB is such a mess they got beaten to the punch. Even getting movies made is a challenge for them, let alone good movies.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

What's funny too is I think Flash was in development with the Flashpoint angle earlier than No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness right? It just was stuck in production forever.

DC announced that the movie would be essentially Flashpoint during Comic Con 2017 so yes.

 

[Erzengel]

Yep. But WB is such a mess they got beaten to the punch. Even getting movies made is a challenge for them, let alone good movies.

You don't have to necessarily be first, but if you're not, you have to be better or even linearly as good.

 

[Filmfan93]

This is predicted to start streaming 3 weeks from now:


Yikes.

This will be the final nail in the coffin of its abysmal BO performance.

Fastest man alive to streaming

 

[squeekness]

This is predicted to start streaming 3 weeks from now:


Yikes.

This will be the final nail in the coffin of its abysmal BO performance.

Fastest man alive to streaming

Fine by me. I won't have to wait long to see this mess.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I see the new narrative/hate train is coming along nicely on twitter.

Well, hey. Putting it nicely, the movie was quite mediocre (Keaton aside). I honestly think the hate is mostly warranted.

However, the cynics wouldn't be having quite the field day they are if WB hadn't made the boneheaded decision to falsely hype the movie to hell and back. The internet LIVES for reasons to dunk on corporations for doing stupid corporate things... if the movie was anything less than what they had paid people to say, it was going to be a massacre--and they're getting what they deserve.

I'd be upset if Keaton's future in the cape and cowl was dependent upon the box office--but it isn't. The possibility of a Batman Beyond movie is just as low as it's ever been (let's face it, there's no reason it should have been ignored this long), and Keaton is no longer planned to return again as he once was, so whatever. Nobody who has seen the movie has anything less than pretty glowing praise for him, so he's making out all right, and that's all that matters to me.

I'm not alone in the desire that Miller no longer inhabit the role of Barry Allen, so the film flopping only makes that decision more airtight, same with freely abandoning any aspect of the Snyderverse. Now, there's nothing stopping DC's future from being a clean slate in all the ways that matter most.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[kguillou]

I know this is the wrong forum for this but damn what a absolute disaster for Elemental too. That thing cost $200million. Pixar is really going thru it lately also arent they.

 

[Iceman]

I know this is the wrong forum for this but damn what an absolute disaster for Elemental too. That thing cost $200million. Pixar is really going thru it lately also arent they.

Yeah quite disappointed by that. I thought the trailer looked good and don’t want Pixar to disappear from cinema and go full streaming.

 

[The Guard]

Well, hey. Putting it nicely, the movie was quite mediocre (Keaton aside). I honestly think the hate is mostly warranted.

However, the cynics wouldn't be having quite the field day they are if WB hadn't made the boneheaded decision to falsely hype the movie to hell and back. The internet LIVES for reasons to dunk on corporations for doing stupid corporate things... if the movie was anything less than what they had paid people to say, it was going to be a massacre--and they're getting what they deserve.

I'd be upset if Keaton's future in the cape and cowl was dependent upon the box office--but it isn't. The possibility of a Batman Beyond movie is just as low as it's ever been (let's face it, there's no reason it should have been ignored this long), and Keaton is no longer planned to return again as he once was, so whatever. Nobody who has seen the movie has anything less than pretty glowing praise for him, so he's making out all right, and that's all that matters to me.

I'm not alone in the desire that Miller no longer inhabit the role of Barry Allen, so the film flopping only makes that decision more airtight, same with freely abandoning any aspect of the Snyderverse. Now, there's nothing stopping DC's future from being a clean slate in all the ways that matter most.

It seems to be mostly fans and clickbaiters who are dunking on WB for hyping the film. The disconnect with critics seems to be mostly because of Ezra Miller (and a not so veiled wish for the coallapse of the superhero genre). It's pretty clear that that's where the disconnect is here. You can kind of tell when some of them spend half their review talking about his criminal issues. The critics that didn't like the film also tended not to like Ezra Miller. The ones who praised his performance generally liked the film. And the same seems to apply to audiences. He's polarizing, and probably won't be back.

 

[Web-Head]

I still liked this quite a bit more than most on here seemed to but my enjoyment of it has dropped a little bit since thinking on it since Thursday night. I always thought doing a Flashpoint type film from the start was a dumb idea and turns out, I was right. I did like the main Barry here a lot more than in Josstice League though and this movie made me interested in seeing more (even though I know we won't)

Shame for someone who has waited probably 20 years for a Flash movie and even if we do get another one in the next 5-10 years, I have a feeling Gunn and co. will go with Wally West instead