The All Things Flash Thread.

[Guts]

Well, I sure as hell hope SS and WW is successful.

Cast members like Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje have praised Ayers writing for the movie and so has Tom Hardy and he had to leave because of the Revenant.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Were Lord and Miller ever going to direct? I thought they were simply just writing the script.

There was an option to direct, which is exactly why they never announced a director. Then the Han Solo movie was moved up, and they bolted faster then Barry on a good day.

 

[Guts]

There was an option to direct, which is exactly why they never announced a director. Then the Han Solo movie was moved up, and they bolted faster then Barry on a good day.

It's Han Solo, no further explanation is needed.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

So Darth, how's you're Blade Empire Alien Terminator movie coming along?

 

[Silliminite]

Michael Bay. He'll make Flash an A-lister.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So Darth, how's you're Blade Empire Alien Terminator movie coming along?

Better then the Flash.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Oh, I'm sure there is turmoil to some extent, WB is a company after all and as with any other company bad feedback does them no good and they are going to immediately respond to it. I am just not inclined to believe it is to an extent you believe it is, this is pretty much where our opinions differ.
And I think it's the lack of a firm leadership rather than the lack of clear vision in the case of WB. They are perhaps a bit too much director-friendly, without someone to hold the reins over all these films.

As for "creative differences" from Deadline's report, it's a standard phrase that pretty much means they are not willing to give a real reason to avoid either the studio or director appearing in the bad light. You know how it is, they use the phrase every damn time when they actually don't say anything to you in the end. The Wrap gave more insight into it later.

My bad then, I thought it was part of the response to my post. We're cool.

Fair enough, I can't change your mind on that.

But I think it's the exact opposite with their director approach. BVS felt like it was made by a committee with a lack of vision and misunderstanding while hiring a director who also misunderstood the material and characters and each was a result of the other. I do think it's both lack of clear leadership and lack of clear vision. Hence all these bad decisions and the domino effect taking shape.

But I will bite on your terms of interpretation of what the trades are saying. If they let Smith go because they think they chose the wrong director, then even so, that's still exactly what I'm talking about. Their lack of vision and understanding for these characters and plan. These characters were only release dates and hired directors to just set up a "plan" without the understanding of what this all entailed. And now their decision is an effect of their poor decision making. They're seeing it now, though I do think they still don't understand and aren't fixing things in the way that they need to be fixed.

Instead of just looking for a higher profile director or someone else, get the best guy for the job. The studio's job is to have a good sense of this. It's what Kevin Feige and Marvel had when they hired the Russo Bros. for WS. Had absolutely no blockbuster film experience but look what happened. I'm not saying hiring inexperienced directors are the answer, it just shows it's about the filmmakers and the studio understanding what they understand. WB doesn't have this down at all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The studio has no idea what they want from a Flash movie, and they seem incapable of finding the director with the vision to take the pressure of their shoulders like Nolan did.

 

[KillerWolf]

Fair enough, I can't change your mind on that.

But I think it's the exact opposite with their director approach. BVS felt like it was made by a committee with a lack of vision and misunderstanding while hiring a director who also misunderstood the material and characters and each was a result of the other. I do think it's both lack of clear leadership and lack of clear vision. Hence all these bad decisions and the domino effect taking shape.

But I will bite on your terms of interpretation of what the trades are saying. If they let Smith go because they think they chose the wrong director, then even so, that's still exactly what I'm talking about. Their lack of vision and understanding for these characters and plan. These characters were only release dates and hired directors to just set up a "plan" without the understanding of what this all entailed. And now their decision is an effect of their poor decision making. They're seeing it now, though I do think they still don't understand and aren't fixing things in the way that they need to be fixed.

Instead of just looking for a higher profile director or someone else, get the best guy for the job. The studio's job is to have a good sense of this. It's what Kevin Feige and Marvel had when they hired the Russo Bros. for WS. Had absolutely no blockbuster film experience but look what happened. I'm not saying hiring inexperienced directors are the answer, it just shows it's about the filmmakers and the studio understanding what they understand. WB doesn't have this down at all.

There are definitely things that lead me to believe they gave Snyder too much of a creative control. I think they had a clear enough vision to plan out these interconnected stories, but there was no one to make sure the execution was done properly and direct Snyder when he starts going off the track. Actually, there is Geoff Johns, but I don't think he has much of an influence. Nor did I ever thought him to be a good choice for a consultant, as a matter of fact.

With the Grahame-Smith situation, the way I see it (I could be wrong of course), I believe they took BvS being received well for granted, they thought it was a done thing and that they'll have a firm foundation to build from (which, if the case, was stupid of them, I know), so at the time they saw DCEU as an opportunity to test unproven directors and script writers and have them debut with these films. Now, given the critical reception BvS got, it changes things and they don't have a luxury to go for inexperienced directors anymore. They might in the future if they manage to fix things with next few films, but right now, it's pretty clear to me why this isn't an option.

And of course that they should go for the right person, whether it's a big name or not, I agree with that, but a first-time director given a blockbuster like this is too much of a risky move. It was risky back then and it is especially risky now, when they can't afford another DC film being badly received.

 

[The Guard]

I'm not seeing how this is objectively a bad thing.

 

[KillerWolf]

I'm not seeing how this is objectively a bad thing.

Removing Grahame-Smith and responding to bad reviews? As far as I'm concerned it is a very good thing.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The reasoning for Smith leaving The Flash is that he has no experience in directing movies. Ben Affleck was offered the chance to direct Man of Steel and he refused because he didn't have any experience in huge special effect blockbusters. I don't see how Smith leaving is a sign that the DCEU is in trouble.

Exactly

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Zack Snyder is an experienced director and that didn't stop Batman V. Superman from being a mess of a movie. Experience isn't always the end all be all. For all we know Grahame-Smith could've given us a great Flash movie but we don't know his take on the material or his passion for the material so we can't say for sure.

That is what it comes down to. I'd rather have an inexperienced director who has an understanding of the material and a love for the material than an experienced director who has little understanding of what it is he is adapting.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Zack Snyder is an experienced director and that didn't stop Batman V. Superman from being a mess of a movie. Experience isn't always the end all be all. For all we know Grahame-Smith could've given us a great Flash movie but we don't know his take on the material or his passion for the material so we can't say for sure.

That is what it comes down to. I'd rather have an inexperienced director who has an understanding of the material and a love for the material than an experienced director who has little understanding of what it is he is adapting.

That is all true, we'll just have to wait and see who the next director is and what they deliver, but I can't say Smith leaving makes me less confident in the film, he definitely worried me more than the other directors.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I'm not seeing how this is objectively a bad thing.

Its really not.

But this is the hype.

 

[Guts]

WB is probably overspending again.

https://***********/devincf/status/726965080688979968

 

[KillerWolf]

It was a response to this:

https://***********/creepypuppet/status/726960529390997505

You guys will understand now why I urged to remain level-headed and not believe this poor excuse of a scooper.

 

[CaptainWagner]

The studio has no idea what they want from a Flash movie, and they seem incapable of finding the director with the vision to take the pressure of their shoulders like Nolan did.

And how do you know this, exactly?

 

[UltimateMarvel]

The studio has no idea what they want from a Flash movie, and they seem incapable of finding the director with the vision to take the pressure of their shoulders like Nolan did.

The studio knows what they want for the Flash movie. If they didn't Seth wouldn't be out because of creative differences. They do have and idea, they just need to find the right director.

 

[Silliminite]

The studio knows what they want for the Flash movie. If they didn't Seth wouldn't be out because of creative differences. They do have and idea, they just need to find the right director.

 

[Tg11]

I wonder who they will cast as Barry's father as Ezra's father in The Flash?

 

[catch22]

I don't want to see his dad. I want to see this movie to be as Flash focused as possible. Let the tv series focus on Barry's three dads and 40 supporting crew

 

[Tg11]

But his dad is central to his solo origin film so he is going to have to be a part of his solo origin film since Barry works overtime to prove his father's innocence

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Barry's parents are not essential to the origin.

They're not the reason why he becomes a superhero. They're the reason why he became a forensic scientist. And unless the movie is going to be about the parents' story, we don't need to know why he became a forensic scientist.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Barry's parents are not essential to the origin.

They're not the reason why he becomes a superhero. They're the reason why he became a forensic scientist. And unless the movie is going to be about the parents' story, we don't need to know why he became a forensic scientist.

The whole thing with his parents is the timeline getting f***ed up by Thawne anyways, he becomes the Flash and a forensic scientist regardless of whether or not Thawne murders his mother, was hoping they wouldn't go that route in the film since the show already did that story, but the Dawn of the Justice League special did seem to confirm they were using the story of his mother getting murdered, unless that has changed since then.