The All Things Flash Thread.

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't think Lord and Miller were ever going to direct the Flash.

 

[TheVileOne]

They should seriously think bout getting rid of Ezra Miller too. Just say the dude in the armor was young Tony Stark messing around in his lab and he accidentally poked a hole in the DCEU.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

We don't have any idea what Smith planned to do with the movie as a director for me to be happy or sad he departed from the project. For all we know he could've had a great vision for the project that is now thrown in the trash thanks to a reactionary move on the part of the studio. Or maybe we just dodged a bullet. Time will tell.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think Lord and Miller were ever going to direct the Flash.

They were going to direct. It is exactly why they dropped writing it and everything after they left.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

They were going to direct. It is exactly why they dropped writing it and everything after they left.

I don't remember ever reading that. Do you have anything to back this up?

 

[brandeezy89]

Oh, man, this is great.

It was only a matter of time. James Wan could be next. I don't blame Smith for not wanting to be associated with an exploding situation. WB built the train before the tracks and the train didn't have a successful launch.

And now with the turmoil behind the scenes with Snyder and WB are clashing over JL. Probably WB wants to make it more "fun" (however they understand that) and Snyder sticking with his continued vision. JL is going to be an even bigger disaster.

Oh, man, they're already losing control. I just can't wait to watch this all fail. Like you guys said, they're already in too deep to halt JL. They talked such a big game and their central problem was that they had a weak product to launch and didn't even have the insight of the mistakes they were making. I mean WB, Johnns and Snyder were actually taken aback by the response. It just shows how much of a miscalculation this all was and within their own bubble.

Yeah man, it's so ****ing hilarious

Funny you only show up when negative news about DC is posted

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Pathetic, isn't it?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't remember ever reading that. Do you have anything to back this up?

Why do you think they were hired? To write a treatment? How does that make any sense? They didn't sign on officially, and now we know why. They had Star Wars on the table, and when Trank lost his mind, they moved up the Han Solo flick from 2020 to 2018.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ I was just going to tell you that I found it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah man, it's so ****ing hilarious

Funny you only show up when negative news about DC is posted

Let's not act like WB hasn't brought this on themselves. The DC fanboys need to stop being defensive and stop acting like they are victims. The world isn't against you, and if someone is celebrating crappy things happening to a currently crappy studio, I don't think that is a bad thing.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

WB has brought ridicule on themselves for the horrible moves that they are making and I will continue to talk about that and I know some people were rooting on them to fail from the start but I wasn't so I don't get it.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Movies? I thought you liked Man of Steel.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yes I like Man of Steel. I'm referring to garbage like Green Lantern that is a fairly recent film and of course BvS.

I think their batting average is quite poor really.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

WB has brought ridicule on themselves for the horrible moves that they are making and I will continue to talk about that and I know some people were rooting on them to fail from the start but I wasn't so I don't get it.

Superman, Batman and Wally are my favorites. I didn't want this to happen. But it is happening. MoS was a theoretically good starting point. But then they crapped on that with BvS, showing more concern about quick cash then sustained success. It is this brilliant logic that brought us Green Lantern and Catwoman.

Remember when I told you they didn't have a plain SPIDEY? Yeah, they don't. This Flash situation is another sparkling example. They may succeed with one offs here, but they have showed no signs of knowing what they are doing on the macro level. None whatsoever. It is exactly why they have these talented directors passing ever since MoS.

 

[Sawyer]

If WB is going to continue to act fools, they deserve to fail. They are the geniuses that hired Snyder to be the leader of this universe. They are the ones allowing their icons to continually get beat up by their "creative" decisions. The only good thing they have done on the Superhero front in 25 years is hire Nolan.

They're taking an incredibly unproven director off a high-profile project, how is that acting a fool? It sounds more to me like they're reevaluating things and actually attempting to right the ship. But no no, you're right, let's sit back and laugh and cross our fingers for them to fail because we didn't like BVS.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Sawyer, stop being rational. That's not allowed. t:

 

[Sawyer]

They should seriously think bout getting rid of Ezra Miller too. Just say the dude in the armor was young Tony Stark messing around in his lab and he accidentally poked a hole in the DCEU.

Why in the name of holy f*** should they do that?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

WB is responsible for some of the worst comic book movies in history along with 20th Century Fox. Is it any wonder why a lot of people don't trust them with comic book movies even if they've made good ones too?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

They're also responsible for some of the best too. Do people forget that?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They're taking an incredibly unproven director off a high-profile project, how is that acting a fool? It sounds more to me like they're reevaluating things and actually attempting to right the ship. But no no, you're right, let's sit back and laugh and cross our fingers for them to fail because we didn't like BVS.

Sawyer, you have had the blinders on the entire time for this whole thing. I don't know why, but you became a part of the DC defense force awhile ago. SPIDEY at least saw the light on this. The fact that you just suggested they need to right the ship, means they are messing up.

I have no problem with them losing the director. But it raises three obvious points. Why didn't they lock down Lord and Miller and why did they give it to this writer/director in the first place? And who exactly is going to come in now? All this talk of a plan, yeah, this really looks like a plan.

Playing musical chairs with creative is not a good sign, it is a very bad sign. How many quality, well thought out projects change creative not once, but twice? The movie is less then two years away, and this isn't a well oiled machine. This is a pattern at this point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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The problem is, time is showing us that was a Nolan thing, not a WB/DC thing. Outside of Nolan, there isn't much. Even MoS had his involvement.

 

[Dasher10]

What I meant by never going to work was that there were too many characters introduced in a Superman sequel. Batman and Wonder Woman needed screen rime for character development and they dragged down the whole first half.

Now with Justice League, we're getting Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg and possibly Nightwing and Green Lantern. That's way too much for a single film along with the rebirth of Superman. DC should set up the characters first, then do team ups. Earner need to stop making mistakes and that means learning why BvS failed and not doing an overlong Justice League film.

 

[Dasher10]

If you want to know what DC should do differently, I'd move the solo films up in the schedule and do a Superman sequel before Justice League so we can skip the character development and get right to the action.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

The problem is, time is showing us that was a Nolan thing, not a WB/DC thing. Outside of Nolan, there isn't much. Even MoS had his involvement.

I was actually thinking about Donner's Superman and Burton's Batman, but you do have a point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What I meant by never going to work was that there were too many characters introduced in a Superman sequel. Batman and Wonder Woman needed screen rime for character development and they dragged down the whole first half.

Now with Justice League, we're getting Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg and possibly Nightwing and Green Lantern. That's way too much for a single film along with the rebirth of Superman. DC should set up the characters first, then do team ups. Earner need to stop making mistakes and that means learning why BvS failed and not doing an overlong Justice League film.

This isn't about too many characters. This is about making random creative decisions based around mood swings, and making quick cash. They want to be Marvel without the work.

There is nothing inherently wrong with making BvS, The Flash, etc. It is how they are going about this.