The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[spider-neil]

This is true, Doing well in China (margins don't favor the studio) isn't the best thing when everywhere else is actually falling. So really, we are looking at a downward trend everywhere but China. That is definitely a problem.

It's definately a problem a problem. I've seen franchises come back from worse but not with something major happening to bring about the change in fortune. The only franchise I can think of that had an upturn in fortunes despite pretty much continuing the status quo is the Fast and Furious franchise.

For Spidey to have an upturn in fortunes something has to change.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's definately a problem a problem. I've seen franchises come back from worse but not with something major happening to bring about the change in fortune. The only franchise I can think of that had an upturn in fortunes despite pretty much continuing the status quo is the Fast and Furious franchise.

For Spidey to have an upturn in fortunes something has to change.

I think the biggest stumbling block towards an upturn is that they already played the reboot card. Would truly be hard to do it again, no matter how they do it.

 

[spider-neil]

Thankfully, I have always been a good boy Sundance.


I simply think you need to take into account that you have taken the role of "defending" this film and franchise.

As opposed to attacking it? My 'position' is the movie is not a bomb and my posts should reflect that. I certainly don't come out with statements that suggest I think the movie was a huge success.

 

[spider-neil]

I think the biggest stumbling block towards an upturn is that they already played the reboot card. Would truly be hard to do it again, no matter how they do it.

The Reboot card is an easy out. Bond didn't reboot after the disappointing QoS.
I think two good spin offs would reinvigorate Spidey like First Class did for the X-Men but if the spin offs are poor that will also carry over into ASM sequels. Spidey is at a major crossroads currently.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Thankfully, I have always been a good boy Sundance. .

And that's why I adore you.

 

[Erzengel]

I think it depends if they are planning to make TASM 3 and TASM 4 as a more of a two parter? Because dollars to donuts says they will introduce MJ by the next movie. And because they are stuck with their current storylines, that means they have to build up that relationship through TASM 3 with either a payoff at the end of the movie or into the next one. Then throw in other villains, it's already seeming like crowded movies.

The Reboot card is an easy out. Bond didn't reboot after the disappointing QoS.
I think two good spin offs would reinvigorate Spidey like First Class did for the X-Men but if the spin offs are poor that will also carry over into ASM sequels. Spidey is at a major crossroads currently.

But those spin offs are coming in between TASM 3 and 4 right?

Which means all TASM 3 has to work off is TASM 2?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Reboot card is an easy out. Bond didn't reboot after the disappointing QoS.
I think two good spin offs would reinvigorate Spidey like First Class did for the X-Men but if the spin offs are poor that will also carry over into ASM sequels. Spidey is at a major crossroads currently.

Bond soft reboots all the time. Skyfall was another example. Craig's Bond was suddenly an old vet in Skyfall, who had allusion to all his past film personas.

I don't think spinoffs can help Spidey. They do not carry the weight of MCU or DC solo films.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think Sony is kinda stuck with the storylines set up in TASM 2.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And that's why I adore you.

It can't be my rugged good looks. I don't have any.

 

[spider-neil]

Bond soft reboots all the time. Skyfall was another example. Craig's Bond was suddenly an old vet in Skyfall, who had allusion to all his past film personas.

I don't think spinoffs can help Spidey. They do not carry the weight of MCU or DC solo films.

I thought the spin offs were happening BEFORE ASM3. If ASM3 is going to be bogged down with more S6 origins the movie is ******. I thought the spin offs were supposed to introduce new characters and then make those characters fight Spidey in ASM3, not fight Spidey in ASM3 and then spin off into their own movie. That is a HORRIBLE idea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Sony is kinda stuck with the storylines set up in TASM 2.

Which is kind of the problem. No matter what happens TASM3 will be the sequel to TASM and TASM2.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It can't be my rugged good looks. I don't have any.

But I thought we all looked like supermodels here on Hype?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought the spin offs were happening BEFORE ASM3. If ASM3 is going to be bugged down with more S6 origins the movie is ******. I thought the spin offs were to introduce new characters and then make those characters fight Spidey, not fight Spidey and then spin off into their own movie. That is a HORRIBLE idea.

How did you figure they'd come first? TASM3 is coming in 2016, the first spinoff is coming in 2017. This is exactly why people have been talking about the "good guy" Sinister Six team. And yes, this is why many here have been calling this all a horrible idea.

 

[spider-neil]

Which is kind of the problem. No matter what happens TASM3 will be the sequel to TASM and TASM2.

They don't have to do that. They can go in a completely different direction in ASM3.

Make the Spin off movies, which ever movie out of Venom or S6 is the most successful bring in ASM4.

 

[Erzengel]

If there was something for next year, they'd have to be filming already.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But I thought we all looked like supermodels here on Hype?

Only you, Suzanne, and Hunter, SPIDEY. Though I'd assume C. Lee has a Robert Redford thing going on.

 

[spider-neil]

How did you figure they'd come first? TASM3 is coming in 2016, the first spinoff is coming in 2017. This is exactly why people have been talking about the "good guy" Sinister Six team. And yes, this is why many here have been calling this all a horrible idea.

As I said in my previous post, Make ASM3 in two years have 'nothing' to do with the Sinester Six. Make a stand alone movie, maybe Mysterio frames Spider-Man.
Then make the spin off movie FIRST and put them in ASM4.

If ASM3 is MORE set setup for Sinester Six or Venom Sony are commiting BO suicide.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They don't have to do that. They can go in a completely different direction in ASM3.

Make the Spin off movies, which ever movie out of Venom or S6 is the most successful bring in ASM4.

No matter what, TASM3 will be seen as the sequel to TASM and TASM2 to general audiences. There is no way around that at this point.

 

[Erzengel]

As I said in my previous post, Make ASM3 in two years have 'nothing' to do with the Sinester Six. Make a stand alone movie, maybe Mysterio frames Spider-Man.
Then make the spin off movie FIRST and put them in ASM4.

If ASM3 is MORE set setup for Sinester Six or Venom Sony are commiting BO suicide.

Why would fans or GA want to see a Sinister Six or Venom movie spin off if they aren't introduced to them in earlier films?

 

[spider-neil]

Why would fans or GA want to see a Sinister Six or Venom movie spin off if they aren't introduced to them in earlier films?

Who knew who Thor was?

You essentially are marketing S6 and Venom from the ground up. They will be the ones driving Spider-Man not the other way round. Goddard makes a awesome movie then that will get the GA excited to see them again and where would they see the S6 again? In a Spider-Man movie.

 

[JKKS085]

Did Sony just stop reporting numbers ? We still have nothing for the week end outside of the friday estimate. Seems that they are holding off numbers until they can make a big announcement when it crosses 700M. If this is the case then it's crazy damage control over dissapointing numbers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who knew who Thor was?

You essentially are marketing S6 and Venom from the ground up. They will be the ones driving Spider-Man not the other way round. Goddard makes a awesome movie then that will get the GA excited to see them again and where would they see the S6 again? In a Spider-Man movie.

Thor is a hero. The Sinister 6 are not. Also early Venom most definitely should not be either. This would be like making a Joker movie, except he is far more popular and well known, and they still wouldn't do that.

 

[JOE]

Sony's cash cow is giving them less milk every year.

SM2 from SM1 went down. TASM from SM3 went down and TASM 2 from TASM went down. The only time the WW BO numbers have increased is from the best Spider-Man movie to their worst Spider-Man movie. Irony at it's finest.

 

[spider-neil]

Thor is a hero. The Sinister 6 are not. Also early Venom most definitely should not be either.

My basic point is this, build up the other characters of Spidey's universe outside and independent of the ASM movies and then use that excitement to drive ASM.

If Sony are going to use ASM to build more spin off stuff and bog down the ASM movies further they will be driving off the few remining GA that actually come out to watch Spidey. As an outsider looking in, it's like Sony has no sense.

 

[Erzengel]

Who knew who Thor was?

You essentially are marketing S6 and Venom from the ground up. They will be the ones driving Spider-Man not the other way round. Goddard makes a awesome movie then that will get the GA excited to see them again and where would they see the S6 again? In a Spider-Man movie.

More people than who know who the Sinister Six or Venom is? Even outside comics, Thor is a Norse Mythology character.

Also, at the end of Iron Man 2 you saw Thor's hammer.

Lastly, Thor was part of a 5 picture lead in into the Avengers. And while discussing Avengers, part of the reason why the movie worked is because you already set up the origins of Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Captain America.

Having no mention of the Sinister Six in TASM 3 will essentially doom the spin off. Unless you think they should introduce 3-4 other members of the Sinister Six within the movie itself?