The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - Part 10

[SpideyFan866]

after the nerd cliche which is Max/electro

webb likes his emotion so i wouldn't be surprised if he gives gwen some last words

There would be more significant emotion with the neck snap and no last words as the guilt Peter feels would stay with him for the rest of this series, not just this singular moment as it would be if he didn't cause it and she had last words.

 

[Shikamaru]

its funny actually how people want a lighter spidey film and yet they wanna put peter through hell, blame himself for everything

Spider-Man has always been a pretty serious story. It's not Batman serious by any means but at the same time, it is not the cheesy lighthearted happy-go-lucky bright story that some people think it is. Spider-Man was always about a good balance between being lighthearted and being dark. The first movie was like that too.

Peter Parker's life has always been crappy and about a guy going through hell. People don't notice it like they do with characters like Batman and Punisher because Spider-Man's sense of humor is there to cover that up on the outside.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I'm curious about one thing. Will they use a real bridge?

I mean, is it possible that we're seeing a stunt double hanging from wires in the next days?

Ahh I think they wanna be secretive about it so I'm sure they built one on stage.

 

[Spidey_62]

What if the Green Goblin mysteriously just shows up towards the end of the movie and kidnaps Gwen/kills her setting up for the third movie?

 

[Anno_Domini]

On the other hand, Captain Stacy's death at the hands of Doc Ock were nowhere as big and iconic as Gwen's death was at the hands of GG.

It was memorable for the character himself, though. A cop that risked his life to save a child's. And if that exact part wasn't going to be in the film, being killed by Doc Ock would've been suitable enough.

 

[Mako]

So she goes to Peter's home where she meets MJ, then heads to the bridge and meets up with him? I wonder if Webb if foreboding her death or if it'll actually take place in the film?

What if the Green Goblin mysteriously just shows up towards the end of the movie and kidnaps Gwen/kills her setting up for the third movie?

I think that could be a possibility.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

On the other hand, Captain Stacy's death at the hands of Doc Ock were nowhere as big and iconic as Gwen's death was at the hands of GG.

Yeah. Gwen was killed by Spider-man's arch nemesis and her death had a much greater impact on his life. I consider Capt Stacy to be a minor character compared to Gwen and changing up his demise wasn't a deal breaker. His adaptation is much easier to accept.

Gwen's death is credited as the ending of the Silver Age in comics. That's quite a statement to how much it meant and still does. IMO, fans of the character of Spider-man will never let this one go, if they have someone other than GG kill Gwen.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Yeah. Gwen was killed by Spider-man's arch nemesis and her death had a much greater impact on his life. I consider Capt Stacy to be a minor character compared to Gwen and changing up his demise wasn't a deal breaker. His adaptation is much easier to accept.

Gwen's death is credited as the ending of the Silver Age in comics. That's quite a statement to how much it meant and still does. IMO, fans of the character of Spider-man will never let this one go, if they have someone other than GG kill Gwen.

For you, lol.

 

[Scarlettess]

It was memorable for the character himself, though. A cop that risked his life to save a child's. And if that exact part wasn't going to be in the film, being killed by Doc Ock would've been suitable enough.

Technically that was still there though, the kid was just Peter.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There would be more significant emotion with the neck snap and no last words as the guilt Peter feels would stay with him for the rest of this series, not just this singular moment as it would be if he didn't cause it and she had last words.

there will be guilt either way, but one guilt is worse then the other

him thinking he killed her is worse then him feeling responsible for what happened to her

im guessing the promise will have more impact as its in the synopsis

 

[Anno_Domini]

Technically that was still there though, the kid was just Peter.

But Peter is Spider-Man though

 

[The Shape]

i don't think you need both, you don't need for him to blame himself for breaking his promise which resulted in her death but then think he might have been the one to kill her

i don't think its needed, its done like that in the comics but its not needed in the movie, he will feel responsible for breaking his promise, he put her in danger

Him breaking his promise to Capt Stacy isn't as big of a deal. Gwen's a big girl. She's very smart and quite mature for her age. She can formulate her own thoughts and opinions, she can make decisions for herself. She was also aware that Capt Stacy made Peter promise to stay away from her, but obviously that didn't mean much to her seeing as they wound up rekindling their romance. They're in love. They made the joint decision to be together and try to make it work, despite Peter being Spider-man.

The neck snap, however, is something Gwen has no say in. It's something that happens to her, and something that Peter most likely did to her inadvertently. Definitely more tragic and more of a reason for Peter to be guilt-ridden.

We've already seen Capt Stacy die as he spoke his last words to Peter. Very sad and touching. We already saw Rachel blown to bits in TDK. Quite jarring. We just saw Petter Potts fall to her "death". I think we're owed something different this time around. The best part of Gwen's death is that moment when Peter's like, "Oh yeah! I did it!" He think's he so awesome and then he's like "Wait, Gwen?" and realizes he failed. Also, in TASM, Spidey threw Gwen out a window and webbed her so she didn't hit the ground. It's time he learns that won't always work for him.

I'd just much prefer her death at the end of the first act of TASM3, after we've at least become a little familiar with our new Goblin. Then he'll have the whole rest of the film to overcome his guilt, defeat the Goblin, and bond with MJ, ending the "trilogy" on a relatively positive note.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Spider-Man has always been a pretty serious story. It's not Batman serious by any means but at the same time, it is not the cheesy lighthearted happy-go-lucky bright story that some people think it is. Spider-Man was always about a good balance between being lighthearted and being dark. The first movie was like that too.

Peter Parker's life has always been crappy and about a guy going through hell. People don't notice it like they do with characters like Batman and Punisher because Spider-Man's sense of humor is there to cover that up on the outside.

well keep putting peter through hell at some point the jokes would stop

if we want to go into realism

can't really do light after his uncle died, his gf dad died because of him, then the girl he loved died, at some point you will have to give the guy a break , unless we want another TDKR ending where he gives up being spidey

 

[MarvelU]

Aww man, I just saw the new Gwen Stacy pics. Her outfit is the same from that famous Spider-Man bridge scene. I will miss Emma Stone in the series if this happens.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

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[GuestStar2004]

Him breaking his promise to Capt Stacy isn't as big of a deal.

its in the synopsis, its apparently a big deal

and it will do what fans don't want, give emma a better send off then snap dead, which is very much hollywood movie making, same as spidey needing his mask off to show the actors face every so often

 

[The Shape]

My point still stands though. It is still left ambiguous. There are multiple things in that story that point to several different factors to her death.

Except for the fact that afterwards it's revealed that it likely was Peter's web, as she died from whiplash. Any autopsy examiner would be able to describe exactly how she died, and Peter would realistically find out. There would prob be sometime where he didn't know the circumstances of her death, but they would eventually come to light.

But even it if it ambiguous, Peter will still need to wrestle with whether or not he was the one who snapped her neck, before he realizes that there nothing he could have even done to save her and it was the Goblin's fault.

 

[eLPAtitoyUPI]

I have said it a lot of times, IMO, that GG is the one throwing her from a bridge is not the important theme of that event.

For me (and for almost everyone), the BIG THING is that Spider-Man kills his only true love.

Any villain could have done it, GG wasn't THAT big of an enemy until that moment.

Spoiler

Let's see how many posts until someone is asking for my ban :P

 

[AF3619]

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Please, i hope all this rumors are wrong!

 

[Shikamaru]

It was memorable for the character himself, though. A cop that risked his life to save a child's. And if that exact part wasn't going to be in the film, being killed by Doc Ock would've been suitable enough.

He technically did risk his life for a child - Peter. The meaning of his death was also to show what a dedicated police officer he was, which is what the whole movie shows as well not only by his actions at the end but also by the way he looks at and confronts vigilantism. I love the fact that he wins that argument at dinner against Peter and actually knows what he is talking about as opposed to other cops in other superhero stories that are usually ignorant and biased towards the superhero/vigilante.

I admit I would've preferred seeing him get killed by Ock but the way they did it worked too IMO.

For you, lol.

Shame on you for not using the Bane meme .

well keep putting peter through hell at some point the jokes would stop

if we want to go into realism

can't really do light after his uncle died, his gf dad died because of him, then the girl he loved died, at some point you will have to give the guy a break , unless we want another TDKR ending where he gives up being spidey

I know you're just joking but I'll respond to this seriously because there ARE people that believe this, lol.

That has always been true about Spider-Man. Like I said, he has the highest body count of supporting characters, more so than any other superhero. His whole character is about enduring and the reason why the jokes will never stop is because, even though he is the most relatable and human superhero there is, he is by no means 100% realistic either. He has a touch of larger-than-life elements to him, much like every other superhero. There can't be a superhero that is 100% real.

 

[GuestStar2004]

its true everyone is jumping the gun, just because she is standing there with the bridge in the background wearing them clothes

doesn't confirm anything

 

[Shikamaru]

I have said it a lot of times, IMO, that GG is the one throwing her from a bridge is not the important theme of that event.

For me (and for almost everyone), the BIG THING is that Spider-Man kills his only true love.

Any villain could have done it, GG wasn't THAT big of an enemy until that moment.

Spoiler

Let's see how many posts until someone is asking for my ban :P

We already addressed this. It is important to the Green Goblin and to his relationship with Spider-Man.

Also, he was a big enemy even prior to that. That moment just established him as Spider-Man's Joker/Lex Luthor.

its true everyone is jumping the gun, just because she is standing there with the bridge in the background wearing them clothes

doesn't confirm anything

We don't know for sure that they're filming her death scene but the chance isn't exactly 0% that they're not.

I know you'll probably reply saying "Yeah but it's very unlikely." That is a good argument but I personally can't buy that after seeing TDKR and Iron Man 3. If those movies taught us anything, it is that the impossible can happen. The things you are least likely to expect to happen are the things that can exactly happen.

 

[The Shape]

I have said it a lot of times, IMO, that GG is the one throwing her from a bridge is not the important theme of that event.

For me (and for almost everyone), the BIG THING is that Spider-Man kills his only true love.

Any villain could have done it, GG wasn't THAT big of an enemy until that moment.

Spoiler

Let's see how many posts until someone is asking for my ban :P

Exactly, this is one of the things that defined GG's status as arch-enemy for us all. Why take that away from that character? After Gwen dies, what else is left for a villain to do to Peter to really get to him? Kill Aunt May next? Have MJ be a damsel in distress again? No thanks.

This is why Gwen's death should be held back a little longer. Her father died at the end of the first movie, and now she dies at the end of the second? C'mon. I trust Webb and his team to be a little more creative with this series in terms of challenges for Spidey.

 

[Scarlettess]

well keep putting peter through hell at some point the jokes would stop

if we want to go into realism

can't really do light after his uncle died, his gf dad died because of him, then the girl he loved died, at some point you will have to give the guy a break , unless we want another TDKR ending where he gives up being spidey

That's the thing though, Spider-Man NEVER seems to gets a break, but yet he always keeps going, and makes it through somehow. That's why he's my favourite character, he just never gives up, despite all the crap that's thrown at him. It's what makes him such a popular character, because in real life, you don't get to choose when you get a break and well life....can be pretty crappy and decide to put you through hell at any point... and that's what makes Spider-Man such a great character and story, because no matter how much crap he has and will go through, he will find a way to get through it, he makes mistakes, sometimes the same ones, time and time again, and has struggles that obviously none of us would even comprehend and yet he never gives up. That's why he's so aspiring.

 

[Shikamaru]

Except for the fact that afterwards it's revealed that it likely was Peter's web, as she died from whiplash. Any autopsy examiner would be able to describe exactly how she died, and Peter would realistically find out. There would prob be sometime where he didn't know the circumstances of her death, but they would eventually come to light.

But even it if it ambiguous, Peter will still need to wrestle with whether or not he was the one who snapped her neck, before he realizes that there nothing he could have even done to save her and it was the Goblin's fault.

Fair enough.