The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - - - - Part 14

[GuestStar2004]

It would be unreleastic to think if gwen died in 2nd he would be with MJ by 4th, its not like being dumped, he wouldn't just be getting over being dumped in a 3rd film, he would be feeling bad because of her death, the promise, and obviously losing the love of his life, its the sorta thing that will stay with him for a long long time and would probably hold him back from getting into another relationship, its the grounded realism approach

He would be feeling bad and depressed in a 3rd and obviously insecure and abit sensitive about the subject in a 4th, there is no way

By that point you wouldn't wanna get another girl involved by choice

 

[spideyboy_1111]

bottom quote OH YES PLEASE I want to see Felicia soo bad and hopefully Silver Sable but def Felicia

Sable isn't needed at all imo.

but yeah i always thought Black Cat is a great plot device for a mourning Peter to get back in the game again, and enjoy being a hero and learning to have more fun with it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It would be unreleastic to think if gwen died in 2nd he would be with MJ by 4th, its not like being dumped, he wouldn't just be getting over being dumped in a 3rd film, he would be feeling bad because of her death, the promise, and obviously losing the love of his life, its the sorta thing that will stay with him for a long long time and would probably hold him back from getting into another relationship, its the grounded realism approach

after my grandmother passed away after a 50+ year marriage, my grandfather began dating and married a new wife in less than a year.

In "real life" people mourn at different speeds. If Gwen dies in 2... and 4 takes place 3 years later... its very believable a young 20 something year old could be in a new relationship. It just depends on the person who's interested in him and how they make him heal.

 

[guy_from_nerk]

It would be unreleastic to think if gwen died in 2nd he would be with MJ by 4th, its not like being dumped, he wouldn't just be getting over being dumped in a 3rd film, he would be feeling bad because of her death, the promise, and obviously losing the love of his life, its the sorta thing that will stay with him for a long long time and would probably hold him back from getting into another relationship, its the grounded realism approach

He would be feeling bad and depressed in a 3rd and obviously insecure and abit sensitive about the subject in a 4th, there is no way

By that point you wouldn't wanna get another girl involved

What if they chose to go a route similar to TDKR where they are 8 years beyond where the last one ended?

 

[FN Spider-man]

I like the idea.I've been wanting to see Black Cat ever since when the first Spider-man came out . One of my favorite story lines with her was her intro and then when she got into the cross hairs of the Ock and Owl fight and almost died very touching

 

[GuestStar2004]

after my grandmother passed away after a 50+ year marriage, my grandfather began dating and married a new wife in less than a year.

In "real life" people mourn at different speeds. If Gwen dies in 2... and 4 takes place 3 years later... its very believable a young 20 something year old could be in a new relationship. It just depends on the person who's interested in him and how they make him heal.

Was your grandmother a super hero? Did she feel responsible for her husbands death? Putting him into danger? Any guilt there at all? No it's a completely different situation lol

It's one of them odd things where people insist its Peter who kills her and take all the guilt and pain that comes with it, then expect there to be no problems resulting from it and anything he will have to live with emotionally, just a big leap ahead into ok I got over it in one film time to move on, time to bring a new girl into my life and start again

 

[GuestStar2004]

What if they chose to go a route similar to TDKR where they are 8 years beyond where the last one ended?

That would kinda suck skipping so many years

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I like the idea.I've been wanting to see Black Cat ever since when the first Spider-man came out . One of my favorite story lines with her was her intro and then when she got into the cross hairs of the Ock and Owl fight and almost died very touching

In a perfect world, my idea for Black Cat was essentially this..

-After Gwen's death, peter is more secluded than ever, he sort of gives up being spider-man. Until he runs into a Cat Burglar, (maybe she stole something personal from him or someone he knows (like harry)

(This mourning and black cat combo i'd also ideally include the black suit with, which sort of corrupts peter like a drug, and latches on to him in his most depressing moment of his life. this story arc would also parallel Harry's drug story... but spidey's suit really wouldn't show it's ugly side till about the end (the symbiote saga i'd make a trilogy out of, but 2 films would work if needed as well) )

-Felicia essentially get's him into "peter parker no more" mode, where he's basically Spider-Man full time, the cusp is when he learns how irresponsible to the Peter Parker life he's been, flaking on MJ and Harry and May and what not... his school work, etc..

-Peter figures with Felicia, she can defend herself, and is safe for him to be around. But he's still extremely skeptical of keeping her safe, and refuses to show him his identity. This later causes a rift between the two of them, and Felicia decides to tackle the films villain on her own, but is nearly killed in the process.

-In the end, Peter learns that no matter Peter or Spider-man, Or hero or civilian... people can always get hurt and it's not necessarily always because of him. He also learns to balance the life of Peter and Spidey more properly.

-the twist at the end of course is that Felicia calls things off with peter, leaves the city, and hints that there's probably another girl he knows that he should be dating. and that she's not the settling down type.

-Black Cat is sorta a quasi rebound.. they never really have much romance, she just flirts quite alot and there's a sense of comfort Peter finds in her... But it's not a full fledged relationship (or hook up) like they've been in the books

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Was your grandmother a super hero? Did she feel responsible for her husbands death? Putting him into danger? Any guilt there at all? No it's a completely different situation lol

It's one of them odd things where people insist its Peter who kills her and take all the guilt and pain that comes with it, then expect there to be no problems resulting from it and anything he will have to live with emotionally, just a big leap ahead into ok I got over it in one film time to move on, time to bring a new girl into my life and start again

umm no, my grandmother wasn't a superhero (and neither is gwen)... but my Grandfather is an Ex marine, Cop, and Private Detective....

and again, i've told you several times already.. there could be a time gap between films... do you expect him to be a hermit till he's thirty?

and no, he's not just going to easily jump in a relationship, and i never said he would. Of course he would be skeptical and paranoid about it. but that doesn't mean it's going to take several years for someone to come along that proves his paranoia wrong, or helps him learn how to deal with it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

umm no, my grandmother wasn't a superhero (and neither is gwen)... but my Grandfather is an Ex marine, Cop, and Private Detective....

and again, i've told you several times already.. there could be a time gap between films... do you expect him to be a hermit till he's thirty?

and no, he's not just going to easily jump in a relationship, and i never said he would. Of course he would be skeptical and paranoid about it. but that doesn't mean it's going to take several years for someone to come along that proves his paranoia wrong, or helps him learn how to deal with it.

What someone is gonna come along and prove he won't put them in danger? It won't happen again? How can anyone prove that?

Guilt will hold you back, oh yeah he may get close to her in a 4th, but I can't see it being an easy thing, and dunno if I can see them being together by then, it may be left as knowing there is feelings there

 

[spideyboy_1111]

What someone is gonna come along and prove he won't put them in danger? It won't happen again? How can anyone prove that?

Guilt will hold you back, oh yeah he may get close to her in a 4th, but I can't see it being an easy thing, and dunno if I can see them being together by then, it may be left as knowing there is feelings there

it's not about proving he wont endanger anyone.. it's knowing that people who love him don't care about said danger and accept that danger... and that he can't do what needs to be done without some people he loves possibly getting hurt. It will also teach him to keep much better care of his secret identity.

he's also not going to spend 2+ movies moping around with no female lead in the film. These are movies that have to tell a story in a short period of time.

 

[FN Spider-man]

In a perfect world, my idea for Black Cat was essentially this..

-After Gwen's death, peter is more secluded than ever, he sort of gives up being spider-man. Until he runs into a Cat Burglar, (maybe she stole something personal from him or someone he knows (like harry)

(This mourning and black cat combo i'd also ideally include the black suit with, which sort of corrupts peter like a drug, and latches on to him in his most depressing moment of his life. this story arc would also parallel Harry's drug story... but spidey's suit really wouldn't show it's ugly side till about the end (the symbiote saga i'd make a trilogy out of, but 2 films would work if needed as well) )

-Felicia essentially get's him into "peter parker no more" mode, where he's basically Spider-Man full time, the cusp is when he learns how irresponsible to the Peter Parker life he's been, flaking on MJ and Harry and May and what not... his school work, etc..

-Peter figures with Felicia, she can defend herself, and is safe for him to be around. But he's still extremely skeptical of keeping her safe, and refuses to show him his identity. This later causes a rift between the two of them, and Felicia decides to tackle the films villain on her own, but is nearly killed in the process.

-In the end, Peter learns that no matter Peter or Spider-man, Or hero or civilian... people can always get hurt and it's not necessarily always because of him. He also learns to balance the life of Peter and Spidey more properly.

-the twist at the end of course is that Felicia calls things off with peter, leaves the city, and hints that there's probably another girl he knows that he should be dating. and that she's not the settling down type.

-Black Cat is sorta a quasi rebound.. they never really have much romance, she just flirts quite alot and there's a sense of comfort Peter finds in her... But it's not a full fledged relationship (or hook up) like they've been in the books

That sounds really good.
I hate that they made her that way I mean I was really taken back when Kevin Smith did Evil That Men Do and built her character up and made her alot better I just wasn't in agreement with the rape story and only her characterization, I always loved her and spidey when it wasn't just a hook up.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

It would be unreleastic to think if gwen died in 2nd he would be with MJ by 4th, its not like being dumped, he wouldn't just be getting over being dumped in a 3rd film, he would be feeling bad because of her death, the promise, and obviously losing the love of his life, its the sorta thing that will stay with him for a long long time and would probably hold him back from getting into another relationship, its the grounded realism approach

He would be feeling bad and depressed in a 3rd and obviously insecure and abit sensitive about the subject in a 4th, there is no way

By that point you wouldn't wanna get another girl involved by choice

Like a lot of people said, there could be a 3-5 yr gap between TASM3 and TASM4.
I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't together in the 4th, but somewhat hinting.

 

[DigificWriter]

I seriously doubt that there will be a significant time gap in any of the movies in this franchise; it just doesn't make sense.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That sounds really good.
I hate that they made her that way I mean I was really taken back when Kevin Smith did Evil That Men Do and built her character up and made her alot better I just wasn't in agreement with the rape story and only her characterization, I always loved her and spidey when it wasn't just a hook up.

I thought it gave her a bit of a back story that suits her psycology though... Yeah... on one hand people say it's just another misogynistic thing in comics but on the other hand.. she could be a hero and role model for other rape victims. Hell True Blood did the same thing last year by explaining Jason Stackhouse's sexual exploits as a comfort he sought after his female teacher had sex with him at a young age. He thought it was great the time, but he kept searching for that void in his life he couldn't fulfill and kept looking for it with sex.

to be honest, and not to go through much detail... but

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I had a similar experience, ( wasn't molested or raped or anything of the sort.. but i went through a phase of trying to use sex as a comfort hoping it'd fill the void in my life i thought i was lacking... but it was just a distraction)

Black Cat has always been one of my favorite characters, and i felt it made her stronger, It's BND that ruined her.. imo.. she was becoming a pretty damn strong role model especially in the Diva's book and re-opening her private eye company... but BND made her jump back into spider-man and it was just not really fitting for her character anymore imo.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I seriously doubt that there will be a significant time gap in any of the movies in this franchise; it just doesn't make sense.

it all depends on the story.. it doesnt make sense now, but could later.

also... Amz happend in a course of a small amount of time, and it already looks like Amz 2 takes place over majority of a year... so it's believable that there could be a year gap between a future film (depending on the story arc)

 

[GuestStar2004]

it's not about proving he wont endanger anyone.. it's knowing that people who love him don't care about said danger and accept that danger... and that he can't do what needs to be done without some people he loves possibly getting hurt. It will also teach him to keep much better care of his secret identity.

Yeah and obviously that would be a message he will learn slowly in 4th that maybe he can love again and life won't repeat itself, and if there is a 5th they may get together, but no you can't have gwen die and not have an impact that will effect him, he lost the love of his life because he broke his promise and may have been the one to kill her if people get there wish

Your wish to see them together is more the thing here, but realistically Peter would be scared to get close to anyone again, and that alone would be how he felt in a 4th film, while in 3 he would be depressed and wreck, there is no would you rather Peter not find anyone, its a case of realistically it would take him a long long time

And MJ can be the love interest without being a gf, alot of love interests ain't

 

[FN Spider-man]

I thought it gave her a bit of a back story that suits her psycology though... Yeah... on one hand people say it's just another misogynistic thing in comics but on the other hand.. she could be a hero and role model for other rape victims. Hell True Blood did the same thing last year by explaining Jason Stackhouse's sexual exploits as a comfort he sought after his female teacher had sex with him at a young age. He thought it was great the time, but he kept searching for that void in his life he couldn't fulfill and kept looking for it with sex.

to be honest, and not to go through much detail... but

Spoiler

I had a similar experience, ( wasn't molested or raped or anything of the sort.. but i went through a phase of trying to use sex as a comfort hoping it'd fill the void in my life i thought i was lacking... but it was just a distraction)

Black Cat has always been one of my favorite characters, and i felt it made her stronger, It's BND that ruined her.. imo.. she was becoming a pretty damn strong role model especially in the Diva's book and re-opening her private eye company... but BND made her jump back into spider-man and it was just not really fitting for her character anymore imo.

I have to agree on that I hated that BND took her all the way back and I really dislike that they turned her into one night stand no strings attached and disrespected her character, I once wrote something on marvel.com saying that they always gave her the finger and I always Spidey and Black Cats interaction before the change cause it was soo fun to see the dynamic between the two and they still had chemistry

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I'm with you on that one man same thing that happened to me only I was totally the opposite and later in life got help but to be honest im still dealing with it

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah and obviously that would be a message he will learn slowly in 4th that maybe he can love again and life won't repeat itself, and if there is a 5th they may get together, but no you can't have gwen die and not have an impact that will effect him, he lost the love of his life because he broke his promise and may have been the one to kill her if people get there wish

Your wish to see them together is more the thing here, but realistically Peter would be scared to get close to anyone again, and that alone would be how he felt in a 4th film, while in 3 he would be depressed and wreck, there is no would you rather Peter not find anyone, its a case of realistically it would take him a long long time

And MJ can be the love interest without being a gf, alot of love interests ain't

again... you're the one who assumed i meant he was just going to "loddy doddy da, jump on into a new relationship"... i never once said that or inferred it... it's infact.. why i even said "end 4th movie" rather than "3rd". it'd be as simple as the film ending with Peter grabbing Mj's hand. Indicating he may be ready now.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I have to agree on that I hated that BND took her all the way back and I really dislike that they turned her into one night stand no strings attached and disrespected her character, I once wrote something on marvel.com saying that they always gave her the finger and I always Spidey and Black Cats interaction before the change cause it was soo fun to see the dynamic between the two and they still had chemistry

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I'm with you on that one man same thing that happened to me only I was totally the opposite and later in life got help but to be honest im still dealing with it

most definitely.

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i feel ya bro, PM me if you ever need someone to chat with about it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

again... you're the one who assumed i meant he was just going to "loddy doddy da, jump on into a new relationship"... i never once said that or inferred it... it's infact.. why i even said "end 4th movie" rather than "3rd". it'd be as simple as the film ending with Peter grabbing Mj's hand. Indicating he may be ready now.

Well yeah if the 4th ended that way then yeah that probably could or would work

With him holding her hand in a way that shows he may be ready which would end of a nice note

I don't see them actually being together in the 4th though

I can see her playing the friend role in the 3rd, someone who been there for him

 

[spideyboy_1111]

also keep in mind in the comics, they dated a short time after gwen's death... and not tooo long after. the spark happened right after her death when MJ consoled peter, and he saw her in a whole new light. The dating didn't work out though, and that's when he found felicia

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

So I heard about the TASM3 and TASM4 news. I'm glad that they want to surpass a trilogy. Hopefully they haven't counted their eggs before they hatched though.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its a great thing that finally another superhero film series is gonna surpass a trilogy (X-Men being the first one) and Amazing Spider-Man is probably going to be the 2nd one (though I could see Iron Man 4 being released before TASM4).

I always believe that a successful film series like this should release at least 5 movies.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Maybe they are really going for the Sinister Six then.